Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

The impression I got was that hypermatter is four-dimensional matter. Tachyonic matter is simply matter with an inverse time direction. From the perspective of tachyonic matter, we're the ones that are backward. There's just so many problems with it - violations of casuality, lack of a medium for interacting with ordinary matter, etc... it's certainly something for hard science, but for space fantasy? 4D mass would've easily done the trick - or just "space adamantium" or other made-up wizard material that have whatever made-up properties you want without worrying about science.

The problem is that ability to do the research, and wanting to do it, are two separate things. Star Wars doesn't seem to be hurting for habitable planets. What would be the point of developing terraforming technology when it's far cheaper and easier just to settle on a world that's habitable? That isn't to say there can't be an analog to Bioshock's "Rapture" - but it would be an isolated instance that's a good setting for a story rather than something widespread.

An excellent question.

NEGVV on Planetary Shields:

"The shield's specific energy signature can dissipate any other energy that passes through it, including turbolaser blasts and energy bombs."
"...the shield can protect against concussion missiles and other physical weapons, as well as asteroids, comet strikes, and even advancing starships."

The Death Star manual - and prior works on the torpedo sphere - note that it takes 'hours' to detect a shield's weak point, requires a concentrated barrage of all the proton torpedoes simultaneously, and rarely drops the shield at that point more than a few microseconds - the real purpose is to find a weak spot over the shield generators and get a coordinated turbolaser barrage to destroy them in the window of opportunity.

From the DESB:

"... the most powerful shields can stop nearly any type of assault, from an artificial asteroid shower to outright bombardment by military fleets."

It goes on to mention the torpedo sphere and the superlaser as methods of breaking through.

 

The Star-dragons, a species specifically made to evoke actual magical elements, since they're, you know, dragons. In space. With hyperspace wings and laser-fire breath. Or something.

Still less silly than the Sun Crusher and that got an entry in a guide to Vehicles and Vessels and Weapons and Technology.

Don't you know "ultra-dense" is part of every good wizard's book of spells?

Any sci-fi author needs to put a disclaimer when using any kind of anti-gravity that "this concept is actually magical", since we don't have anti-grav devices irl.

Can't be that expensive if the biggest known terraforming device, Citadel Station, was the size of a continent and was built without putting a dent in galactic economy.

 

You mean the project that was the restoration of a previously habitable world, was badly underfunded, and still going on 300 years later?

 

They aren’t mine they are the Empire’s and the Storm Commandos killed 10+ Billion people on Dentaal (everyone that is) just by leaving a few samples of the Candorian plague around. The stuff you use just needs to be dangerous enough.

It has more to do with how insanely cruel the whole thing is. Killing everything on a planet and then doing the SW equivalent of salting the earth will get your message across, no matter how you do it.

Oh Borrsk is rather clear on that even in the Old Republic it was not something done on a whim.

Bombs more likely then bioweapons, though given how creative people in the GFFA have been show to get when it comes to sensor evasion, even that would certainly be a risk. Especially given how much insane stuff is actual around just take a look at this guys plan for example


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ashaar_Khorda

 

TOR has Telos still being restored? *sigh*

 

On the Bothans and Caamasforming, the quote in question:
"Perhaps you do not comprehend how much time and effort would be involved in even merely locating an uninhabited world that would be suitable for the remaining Caamasi.... But then to further insist that we bear the costs of re-forming that world to Caamas's original specifications? We cannot possibly afford such an undertaking"
"It was done at least five times during the Old Republic-"
"By peoples arrogant in their power and their wealth."

 

I get you now, I see your point, much thanks. Though it may help them get there with the time travel tech.

Well its good they are rather specific regarding the many threats that could devastate a planet. I just figured if you had enough ships you would be able to wear down the planetary shielding over a prolonged bombardment or siege. It would obviously depend on the number of ships and the length of time.

Wasn't there a scene in the Clone Wars mirco-series where they are bombarding a cities shield generators, and Commander Cody says it will take x amount of days unless you go in and sabotage them?

That was one of the examples I was thinking about. Since its a force based device it might be something that would more easily go undetected.

 

Yes, the original CW tv show had them on the ground, bombarding a shield and with the current level of bombardment, they would penetrate it in 3 months or so, which was "right on schedule" at the time. They were trying to capture the city, though, not blow it up.

 

In the first X-Wing book there is a plan to use a Rebel ImpStar's firepower to slowly collapse the shield on a Imp Base, so it should be possible, though in this case the Imps play a ruse on them by fake lowering the shield and then just raise them again as the Rebels move in.

 

Courtesy of Gorefiend, some great shots of the Rebel Fleet from Star Wars #12:











I really like the last shot. We rarely see goot shots of the fleet from behind. I love how it evokes that final shot of the fleet in ROTJ, as all ships are flying towards Endor.

Also- does anyone think that the cruiser in the lower left hand of the first image is a wingless MC80A?

--Adm. Nick

 

Could be, of course the MC series ships are supposed to be pretty varied in general.

 

AdmiralNick22 I would say no on the MC-80a thing. Judging by where it is positioned in the fleet, and that we see the rear of it below the big cruiser in the last panel, it looks like a much smaller design.And it looks like there is a second one in the upper right of that first pic as well. It looks like a specific class, with two pairs of two engines to the sides of the tail. Top pic shows two similar ships from the front, while I count 4 with the same engine layout in that last shot.
Also, is that an Assassin class modified Corvette from TIE fighter in the top left of the second panel? Sure looks like one- smaller engine block with 8 main engines, bulkier midsection, big gun. Then there is that different oddball CR-series ship in panel 3 that is clearly a different design.
Is the big cruiser meant to be Home One? Because if so, the rear does not match at all.

 

Yeah, that is meant to be Home One and the medical frigate Redemption. Neither is perfect visually, but then again they never normally are in comics.

As for the corvette, my gut says artistic license, but only the artist knows for sure.

--Adm. Nick

 

The quote from DESB is especially funny considering the empire bombed Metellos and Coruscant just prior to the events taking place in DarkEmpire - without the use of TorpedoSpheres or sabotage.

 

I like the USS Voyager-esque ships seen in this comic arc. They've been consistently drawn since the first fleet shot. Looks like a cross between the Voyager (from Star Trek), a Gallofree transport and a Calamari cruiser.

 

Yeah, they have been drawn enough that I would love to see them given a formal designation.

--Adm. Nick

 

It's even funnier when it's stated in numerous sources that the NR deliberately abandoned Coruscant, or that nowhere was it said that torpedo spheres and sabotage weren't used.

 

Coruscant had suffered massive sabotage of most of the shield system (which is one of the Reasons the Republic fled) and we don' know what happened at Metellos other then that Delvardus managed to beat a NR Fleet there and then bombarded the planet, for that matter it might not even have had a planet shield or he did in fact have it sabotaged, or at least part of it.

 

Have we seen any Herglic ships? I would like to see how a species that is around 2 m tall and nearly as broad design their ships

 

Narloch of Giju owns one of these (and yes it seems to be a Duros build ship)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mneffe-class_superluminal_shuttle

 

Gracias
On the wook' it is stated that "It could carry up to six passengers[...]" is that six herglic size or duros size passengers?

 

The Bloodstar is used by a Herglic pirate and seems to be a unique ship design, with the Wook saying that it's larger than an ISD - although there's no souce to that claim.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bloodstar

It's quite possible that they also make use of any other number of Tapani designs as well.

 

Double post.

 

Afaik WEG explained that passengers would always be measured by human standards and that ships could take more then the given number but life support would be strained as well as other facilities.

 

Herglics seem to be another 'ubiquitous spacefaring race' like the Duros and Givin that we don't really get much in the way of ship design.

Still waiting for information on the Wavecrest-class frigates.

 

Devaronians also should have some nice designs.