ST Daisy Ridley (Rey) in Episode VII

I hope I hopelessly fall in love with her like I do with all of J-Law's characters.

 

a few weeks ago someone came up with an idea/rumor that Boyega was a soldier, perhaps a storm trooper who would eventually side with the heroes. It was an interesting take, one that had Boyega's character pursuing Ridley's in the dessert. Maybe there is some kernel of truth to this. Since there was another rumor that Boyega does not start off the series as a jedi or a padawan, the question we're left with is just what is he at the beginning of this saga? Certainly not a farm boy. That would be too repetitive, too on the nose. The same may be said about a young smuggler too. But I'm beginning to feel confident at least that his character will be brought into the fold of the larger storyline rather than being involved at the moment of his introduction.


Ridley's character though I'm guessing is already somewhat in the thick of things from the beginning. If she is the daughter of Han and Leia she would have no choice but to be. She will be a great pilot. She may be a jedi by the time we first see her. So was she trained by Luke, her uncle? Or was it her mom?

Have no clue about Isaac or Gleeson. Need a lot more info on them....or rumors.

 

Yes and no. She would be like Jaina, yes, but that's just because Jaina is also exactly how one would imagine Han and Leia's daughter to be. If one was going to create a daughter for Han and Leia, she would be a pretty brunette, who could use the Force and would be a talented pilot, thanks to both sides of the family. I think those are obvious and general enough characteristics that even if Daisy has them, she wouldn't have to be "Jaina." I think it more whether it's Timothy Zahn or JJ Abrams creating her, there are certain qualities a kid of Han and Leia would have.

I mean, I do think she will be like Jaina is a lot of ways. But I also think she'll be her own character too.

 

I really hope he was chasing her through a giant strawberry cheescake because that's my favourite.

Sorry couldn't resist...

 

There are different ways you could express those common traits though. Teenage Jedi X-Wing pilot is VERY Jaina Solo (especially if Driver is her fallen brother). A Solo daughter who instead flies the Falcon while her dad and Chewie man the guns and, while strong in the Force, has not yet begun training as a Jedi at the start of the ST would more clearly be its own unique thing.

Not to say that Daisy CAN'T be a teenage Jedi X-Wing pilot. It's just that IF they do go that route the character is going to be SO MUCH like Jaina Solo that to not just name her Jaina at that point seems like it would be taken as a deliberate slap at the EU fans for no real gain with anyone else.

Basically, if this rumor is true and Daisy is playing a teenaged Jedi X-Wing pilot Solo daughter, then I also fully expect her character to also be named Jaina.

 

I totally get what you're saying. For me, the X-wing is common enough that if Daisy were flying one, it wouldn't have to be Jaina. Now, if she was in Rogue Squadron, nicknamed Sticks, and had a purple lightsaber, that'd be a different story!

I think it's inevitable that Daisy will share some characteristics with Jaina. But with the EU announcement, I tend to they will create a whole new character and her name won't be Jaina.

 

This. As much as I hope she'll be named Jaina, I am not going to assume it's going to happen just because she also happens to be a Jedi who flies an X-wing. As to her lightsaber color, I am personally hoping it'll be yellow.

 

Personally, I'm hoping that if they aren't going to name her Jaina that she would also be clearly different from Jaina in at least one core aspect. Her specific squadron, callsign and lightsaber color are pretty trivial elements of the character (and the first two varied considerably over the course of the the EU... she was also a member of the Rakehells, Wraiths and Twin Suns squadrons for example) while things like 'fighter pilot' and 'jedi knight' are far more fundamental character traits.

It would be kind of like claiming that a character who is the selfless leader of the Autobots detailed in red and blue and voiced by Peter Cullen can't be called Optimus Prime because he transforms into a Peterbuilt semi instead of a Freightliner semi. Yes, there are SOME people who do claim that, but they are considered the extreme wacky fringe of Transformers fans (not to say there aren't plenty of reasons to hate on the Transformers movies, but that's not one of them in my opinion).

The same goes for Jaina. If you really want the character to ever be seen as anything other than Jaina in all but name you need to change up at least one of her core traits (fully-trained jedi and/or fighter pilot) or you're going to have people comaining that they just ripped off Jaina Solo and gave her a different name to pretend they didn't rip off the EU. If you change one or both of those elements for a Solo daughter with a different name you'd still have SOME comparisons to Jaina, but those would not have nearly the leg to stand on that they would if the only difference between the Ep7 character and Jaina was that this character has a blue lightsaber and flies in the [insert random name here] squadron.

 

You know what would completely solve the Jaina problem? Make her Luke's daughter.

 

I'm actually completely for this. If she was Luke's daughter should would solve a lot of the problems we are having figuring out who is who. The biggest being the main character being a Skywalker.


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Why have fans put so much stock into what sci-fi writers have conjured up in the EU??

Do you think the casual movie goer knows who Jaina Solo is? No, they do not. They know who Princess Leia is and even Padme - but some character created in a novel or other form of media other than the film series? No.

Daisy's character - whoever she is - will immediately exceed whatever was written in any EU story.

 

It's not so much that I think the EU was fantastic (because there were a lot of things that weren't) BUT if you're going to be pulling something nearly whole cloth, then there's also no sense in renaming it and pretending its something you invented yourself either. That's just a recipe for ticking off one section of the fanbase with no upside gained in the general public.

While it is true that you can't please everyone, it is equally true in business that there is never a good reason to anger part of your market unless you have to. 90% of your market may not care if a computer game has a customizeable UI, but that doesn't mean you should drop the ability to customize the UI from the game because 10% of your audience really appreciates being able to customize the UI while having the option doesn't alienate any of the 90% who don't care.

If you're going to use an EU element practically whole-cloth, then you should probably use the EU name too because while 90% (or whatever the number happens to be) won't care where the name and character came from, the other 10% will really appreciate it.

That's all I'm saying related to that. If you pull from the EU don't pretend you're not.

Frankly, I'd much prefer to see something different. Make Han Solo's daughter an only child who grew up as part of the Falcon's crew with her father, Uncle Chewie and 'cousin' Hando Calrissian (Boyega) and only reluctantly agrees to be trained as a jedi at the end of Ep7. That's a very different character that we haven't seen before.

 

And to be fair, that's exactly what they could be doing, we just don't know it yet. We only have rumors right now and the stuff like piloting an x-wing, Driver as her brother - those could easily turn out to be false. At the very least, it doesn't seem like Daisy will have a twin, which is a big departure from Jaina. Heck, she might not even be Han and Leia's daughter, for all we know.

I agree if they aren't going to make her Jaina, she should be a different character. I do think there will be some overlap, but hopefully not too much. And honestly, I wasn't a huge fan of Jaina so I hope she is an even better, more exciting character.

 

Apple pie obviously. Shut up and eat it.

 

You know, I think the first part might very well happen, at least to some degree. However she is supposed to be "extremely gymnastic" so she is surely a fully trained Jedi.

 

Correction Timothy Zahn just created and named Jaina as a day old infant... It wasnt until the Correllian Trilogy where she really started to develop her personality. Then the Young Jedi Knight series took off with her be assertive and made her both a Jedi and fighter pilot ace... With the NJO series taking that to the out of a kids book to an adult level. Timothy Zahn never really used her, it was mostly every other writer working for Lucaspublishing. Long story short her character's personality only really got going about 5+ years after the EU got going.

 

I'm of the opinion that Jaina is one of the better developed characters to come out of the EU. As such, I won't be too surprised if Daisy's character is similar, if not nearly identical to Jaina.

 

Related to Jaina's personality not really getting developed until 5+ years after the EU really got off the ground is that she got written quite differently by different authors such that, beyond those most basic elements (jedi, fighter pilot) just about ANY characterization for her that isn't 'regal and refined princess' could be found somewhere in the EU... which is why, in my opinion, if she's playing Han and Leia's kid, they really need to have changed one or both of jedi/fighter pilot if they aren't using the name Jaina and they want to avoid gripes that they're ripping off EU elements and trying to make everyone think THEY came up with them.

Yes, they can do whatever they want with the EU material, but that doesn't mean every way it could be used is a good idea from a business standpoint. De-canonizing the EU has already made some people wary, but even if it is just a small segment of the overall market, there's no sense leaving money on the table by alienating them further if you don't have to (ex. losing 1% of a billion dollars in ticket sales is leaving $10 million on the table that they could have in their pockets).

That's why, in terms of tiered preferences for Daisy's character I think I'd be...
-totally new character with her piloting and Force aptitudes portrayed differently than Jaina Solo.
-a teenaged Jedi X-Wing pilot named Jaina Solo.
-a character with piloting and/or Force aptitudes different from EU Jaina, but still named Jaina.
-a teenaged Jedi X-Wing pilot with a fallen Jedi brother, but who is NOT named Jaina.

The last one just feels way too much like them trying to use EU elements without acknowleding that they're using EU elements. If they're going to do that I feel they should just man up and use the EU element, not act like they're ashamed of the EU by relabling it and hoping no one will notice.

 

Not to derail the Jaina train. But the more I think about it the more I like the idea of Daisy being Luke's daughter.

It would give us a main character who is a Skywalker.

It would solve any problems with people comparing her to Jaina.

It would still explain why she looks like Padme.

And really there is no more evidence that she is a Solo than she is a Skywalker. Other than the casting picture and the lunch but I can't really put much stock in those. Those could mean absolutely nothing.

Are there any other reasons I'm missing that makes everyone so certain she isn't Luke's?


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I said this when I first joined the forum; in fact I just assumed at the time she was. I can absolutely see her being a Solo too, but as others have pointed out, if you want to make a complete departure from the EU, this would be a simple solution.

I don't mind at all her being either/or or being unrelated to both mind!

However I do really want her to be a Jedi and a badass one at that....

 

She certainly could be, for all we know! I think people are assuming she's Han and Leia's because 1) she was sitting between them in the cast photo, 2) she's brunette, and 3) it makes sense for Han and Leia to have a kid

Luke could certainly have a kid too (and I hope he does!), but it would take a bit more explaining (who's mom?), whereas Han and Leia having a kid makes perfect sense with the end of RotJ. But if Daisy was blond, I'd bet we'd get a lot more chatter about her being a Skywalker. Obviously, Luke could still have a brunette kid, but I think the more obvious resemblance is to Han and Leia, which is why everyone is going there.

We know nothing about her character right now so all we have to go on in that one photo and her appearance. She really could be anyone.

Though there was that interview with her dad, which I always tend to forget about.

 

*puts fingers in ears* la la la la! not listening! not listening! She's a Solo.

 

guess someone already did this but anyway...

 

I must say, her facial features are very similar to Padme. But She doesn't really look like Leia in that picture, lol.

 

how about this then.