Lit Did Maul used Force Drain to survive ?

These are from ''The Clone Wars: The Sith Hunters'' comic book.



In this page, Maul uses some force power, but we don't know what it is, it seems he pulls the Lotho Minor (junk world) himself.



Then, he turned into this spider-monster thing.

And there is a confrontation between Obi-Wan and Maul ;







I know this looks like a force choke move since Obi-Wan is holding his own throat, but there are some different things on this;

- Maul's hand shape doesn't in a force choke move, more like a fist rather than using fingers,

- Maul says ; ''I will crush the life from you...''

- Obi-Wan get wounded after this attack and couldn't keep up with others, if this is a force choke he shouldn't be wounded that bad.

I think there is a possibility that Maul used force drain instead of force choke on Kenobi here.

And at Son of Dathomir #04, it seems like Maul knows the nature of ''force drain'' ;

Then this,

I don't think that this is a metaphor... I think Maul gave some of his force power to Mother here.

What do you guys think ?

 

TCW implied it was through hatred of the Jedi and Obi-Wan that kept him alive; the hatred sank him deeper into the Dark Side.

 

I know, but how ? He still needs some power to survive after that injury, and since force drain is a dark side power, maybe this hatred gave him to access to drain lotho minor and survive with that.

 

I can see it now...

Palpatine learned Force Drain from Talzin, and used it to suck the life out of Vader to survive ROTJ.

 

No, similar to Vader on Mustafar.
It's explained as submerging their spirit/energy/whatever within the Force and overcoming the pain. Hate and anger. That's all Maul and Vader needed.

 

But the difference is, Vader would die in there if not for Palpatine and medical capsule. Remember Palpatine ordered one of those ;



On the other hand, Maul never gets a medical treatment and I think he needed a power source for surviving.

 

That is true, but Vader's injuries were worse compared to Maul.

Maul does, however, tell Sidious he "used your training, Master" in to explaining how he survived his injuries. And after his insanity is cured, informs Savage his mind became "more darker" then he possibly could imagined. The only thing we can assume is Maul embraced the Dark Side on an extreme level - which drove him insane; in the now dead EU, insanity was one of the many long time consequences for practicing the Dark Side. The first sign being yellow eyes.

 

1) I'm so happy that first comic book got wiped from continuity just because of those panels of Maul getting the spider body like he's some kind of %&#@ing vacuum cleaner. Jee-ee-sus....Was it worth it massacring the EU? Almost. Almost....

2) Maul's move is clearly intended to be a choke.

3) Talzin is not using the Force; she is, for lack of a better word, violating the Force. That's all according to the Bardotta episodes. So, I doubt what she does can be categorized as "Force drain". More like outright theft.

4) I believe Talzin is the reason Maul survived. What Palpatine did to Vader, Talzin must have done to Maul. Now, that is, of course, open to interpretation, but I believe Maul's hate did squat for him; he was gone until Talzin saved him and kept him around on Lotho Minor in case she might need him again.

 

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Maul was pulling all those scraps, and turns into a monster, I don't what it means if not for force drain.

I know it should be a force choke, but does force choke makes him that bad ? I mean Kenobi was almost knock out and wounded. And Maul's hand was like a fist more than a classic force choke move.

Still, she can drain. And especially from force users, I think that makes it force drain, also she has some kind of magick blast and probably it is categorized as force lightning.

So do you think Talzin went to lotho minor when Maul died ? I seriously doubt that. In season 3, she gave some kind of amulet to Savage, with that Savage was able to ''find'' Maul, Talzin just knew that Maul was alive but she didn't know the location of Maul and thats why she produced a amulet for it. Luckily, Savage found him.

 

Thankfully, it no longer means anything because that doesn't have to be regarded as the way Maul got his legs. When I watched the episode I understood that the "robo-Jawa" natives made that thing for him, and that's what I'm going with.

If she knew that Maul was alive and had that talisman in her possession, that means she could have gone to find him herself at any time. And the opportunity to set her plan into motion came when Dooku betrayed Ventress -- that's exactly when she had use of Maul again.

 

Pretty much. It's all been explained as them drawing on the power of hate to keep themselves alive through sheer will.

 

i dont think it is reasonable that Maul survived, however he is an alien, so it's possible i guess.

 

I think Maul's hatred made him determined to defy death - using force drain is certainly plausible in this case. We don't know what contact he had with Mother Talzin while in exile, so she could have communed with him as we saw in SoD and taught him how to do it. She did it to Dooku in order to manifest her physical self, so force drain could be a practice among Nightsisters and Nightbrothers.

 

isn't force drain, when you use the force to leech off life force on to you from an enemy? so how does that apply. i mena if your vital organs are destroyed then they are destroyed unless you have time for proshetics and he did not.

 

By the way, I am not saying that Anakin didn't use dark side to resist his wounds, but Maul's injury was much worse imo, he lost half of his torso. Very mortal wound, while Anakin only lost his limbs. Only his burn wounds make it worse, but he would die without any medical treatment either way he just resisted it more than it should be, but Maul survived with dark side (which I believe it was force drain) it was much more impressive, since he didn't get any help for it.

 

I'd call Anakin's wounds worse. He lost both legs, as well as his left arm, with each wound being cauterized right away, just as Maul's were. However, Anakin then had his entire body burned. He should've died right away, but, just like Maul did, used his hate and the Dark Side to keep him alive until Sidious arrived, and then to keep him going until he was put into the suit. Yeah Maul did his thing on his own, but his mind was broken beyond measure in the process. Anakin/Vader suffered the more severe injury (Again in my opinion at least) and retained his mind just fine.

 

Maul and Vader had mortal wounds - so both of them should have died, yet their use of the darkside and the hatred that brewed inside them helped each survive. We know that Sidious helped Vader in a relatively short period of time, but we don't know at what point Talzin stepped in with Maul - that knowledge could be very telling as to the lengths Maul went to survive.

 

The interesting question with that is: Talzin could dissolve into thin air, and seemed to be able to appear basically anywhere when she wanted.

So if she had saved Maul, would the fact he'd died "far away" on Naboo have even been a barrier? Or would she just have materialised in that shaft, and been able to save him right there, right then?

 

Seems to me that if she'd intervened with Maul, he never would've ended up in the insane state he did, especially as we saw during the show that she had the ability to fix him the entire time.

 

If she tried fixing him and that cost her her body, as described in the last issue, that would explain why she abandoned him afterwards. But that of course would negate the "teleport to Naboo" advantage, since you can't do that if you are made of matter.

 

Agreed.

The fact he went insane is a negative point for Talzin intervening to save his life.

 

Not if she knew he was alive and had the talisman in her possession, which she did. She could have gotten him out of his cave any time she wanted, but didn't. That's actually a point in favor of her having saved him.

 

That's not a point for the idea that she helped him though. It proves she knew he was alive and nothing more. In fact, it doesn't even seem that she knew exactly where he was, and i'd say it was nothing more than an extension of the usual Force Sense ability, where she had a general idea of things, and therefore knew her son was alive and wounded due to the events on Naboo, but had no specifics.

 

This is the part where Talzin says Savage need to find Maul ;

 

Funny story, for the longest time I didn't realize Talzin had hair. I just thought it was a part of her creepy, swaying robe, that constantly moves on its own without any wind.