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CT Did Obi-Wan know Leia was aboard the Death Star?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Among the Clouds, Sep 6, 2014.

  1. Among the Clouds

    Among the Clouds Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There's not a shred of evidence in the film to indicate that Obi-Wan knew Leia was present, but does that necessarily mean that he didn't? His dialogue and demeanor seem to indicate he has sensed Vader to be present, which is partly why he doesn't allow Luke to accompany him. He also mentions that Luke's path lies on a different one from his, and with what seems a foreshadowing of his own death, he parts ways. Luke then learns that Leia is there, and he chooses to rescue her. Having been in her presence before, I believe it's possible that Obi-Wan may have sensed Leia on the Death Star. And knowing that he couldn't deactivate the tractor beam, rescue Leia, and confront Vader, he leaves Luke to discover it on his own and figure out what the right thing to do is. Or, Obi-Wan is simply oblivious to Leia's presence and her rescue should be taken literally.

    Not taking into account plot elements that GL came up with as the trilogy (and the prequels) progressed, is it possible that in light of the entire saga, Obi-Wan knew Leia was aboard the Death Star, and intentionally left Luke so that he could rescue the galaxy's other last hope?
     
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  2. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    Possible, yes. Likely, no.
     
  3. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    He may have sensed it, but I doubt if he knew for sure if she was on board.
     
  4. Cael-Fenton

    Cael-Fenton Jedi Master star 3

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    I feel that it's quite likely. Doesn't he know from the hologram message that she's run into Imperial trouble?

    edit: she says "my ship has fallen under attack", not "under Imperial attack", but I think Obi-Wan's smart and intuitive enough to figure it out from the circumstances. And it seems like Vader, as Palpatine's enforcer, has a special interest in suspected rebels, especially one as high-profile as an Imperial Senator. So having sensed Vader on board, he can probably figure out that Leia is being kept nearby.
     
  5. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I wonder if he factored in Alderaan as well.
     
  6. Cael-Fenton

    Cael-Fenton Jedi Master star 3

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    You mean in the sense that Leia's capture was a reason for it, so she was probably somewhere around the weapon responsible?
     
  7. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah. Obiwan knew Leia had come under attack, knew she was from Alderaan. Alderaan gets destroyed by the DS. Could well be Leia is not far from all this action.
     
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  8. Darth_Nub

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    I doubt that very much - considering that he and Yoda tried very hard to convince Luke not to try to rescue "the galaxy's other last hope" in ESB.

    Putting aside any quibbling about the ongoing story development, I'd still say no. Luke actually says to Han that Obi-Wan didn't know she was on the Death Star ("But he didn't know she was here!"), and you'd think that if he did, he would have done something other than leave Luke, Han, Chewie & the droids to sit around while he deactivated the tractor beam.

    Suggesting that he knew, but wanted Luke to figure out such a thoroughly important life-and-death matter as some sort of Jedi training exercise, or a a step along his journey, would be really, really reaching. And downright irresponsible, for that matter.

    It's one thing for Jedi masters and wizards to follow their instincts with odd decisions regarding seemingly inconsequential or ambiguous characters like Anakin Skywalker, Jar-Jar Binks and Gollum, but Princess Leia Organa of Alderaan? Forget it. If Obi-Wan knew Leia was on the DS, he would have said so, and done something about it.
     
  9. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    He probably knew she was in some sort of trouble, but he didn't know she was actually onboard the Death Star until R2 informed them while hacking into the Death Star's computer. Knowing that Luke would want to try and save her, he left to keep even bigger trouble (ie, Vader) away from him, Han and Chewie.

    EDIT: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Obi-Wan say something to Luke that pretty much implies that he was Leia's last chance of getting out alive? Considering the fact that Luke probably felt horrible about basically abandoning Beru and Owen to die at the hands of the Empire, Obi-Wan knew Luke wasn't about to let yet another innocent die if he could help it.
     
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  10. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Obi-wan only says that Luke is to make sure that the droids make it to the Rebel base. He says nothing about Leia, but he does say that Luke's destiny follows a different path from his. It is possible that he knew she was there, but wanted Luke and Han to handle that while he dealt with the tractor beam by himself.
     
  11. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    I think he was more worried about Vader than anything. Vader's presence would have overshadowed that of Leia's.
     
  12. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Vader's presence probably has a huge impact on the Force that it blocks out all others nearby.
     
  13. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It wouldn't surprise me if by joining the dots he had an idea she was there, but I doubt she was a major factor in his thinking when he left Luke to follow his own path.
     
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  14. AkshayTheJedi

    AkshayTheJedi Jedi Knight star 1

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    Well he probably didn't have an idea whether she was on board or not but he had to turn off the tractor beam to secure Luke's safety as he knew how important he was. Maybe that's why he said his destiny follows a different path. He might have felt her presence but there's no indication that he did


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  15. Imperial Reject

    Imperial Reject Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Doesn't Luke say that Obi-Wan didn't know Leia was on board the Death Star?
     
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  16. Cael-Fenton

    Cael-Fenton Jedi Master star 3

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    That's how I interpret it. Other than keeping Vader away from Luke, there's really no good reason why he should go off alone.

    I doubt we can take what Luke thinks about Obi-Wan's state of mind as conclusive evidence.
     
  17. Yanksfan

    Yanksfan Force Ghost star 5

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    I don't think he knew. If we are to take the whole trilogy into account (or even the six film saga for that matter), then he knew Leia was "the other", and therefore he knew she was an invaluable "plan B" for defeating the Empire. Therefore, if he actually knew she was being held captive on the DS, then he would've done something about it (and not just hoped Luke and Han would 'figure it out' while he went off to deal with the tractor beam/Vader). I don't know, I think it's a stretch to assume he knew they would get it all done, without so much as a nudge from him.
     
  18. Among the Clouds

    Among the Clouds Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Perhaps the nudge would've been when Obi-Wan tells Luke that Leia needs his help. Sure, it could've been a ruse to get Luke excited about going to Alderaan, but it also could've been literal (from a certain point of view ;) ). Obi-Wan knew Leia was taken captive, and given the discovery of the Death Star (where he sensed Vader to be), I don't think it's a stretch to assume he knew she was there.
     
  19. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No, but it's a stretch to think that he would have then done nothing, trusting that it'd all work out, though. Unless, of course, he was happy to risk the possibility of Leia rotting in a detention cell for a few days with the occasional bit of torture, and then her life ending as if she'd been on Alderaan.
     
  20. Among the Clouds

    Among the Clouds Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Luke going after Leia was risky, as it could have potentially put both of them in jeopardy. Perhaps Obi-Wan had hoped he wouldn't attempt a rescue, so he stayed quiet. Or, perhaps he forsaw Luke's success. Many hypotheticals, I admit. But the possibilities are there.
     
  21. SpecterSquadronLeader

    SpecterSquadronLeader Jedi Youngling

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    Also consider Vader did not sense Luke, nor did he notice that Leia was strong in the Force, even after noticing her resistance to the mind probe.
    You'd think Vader would at least do a blood test.. [face_laugh]
     
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  22. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Maybe he did, but you can blame British manufacturing for getting the results wrong:

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