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PT Darth Maul's survival story. Sliced in half...what happens next?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Darth Downunder, Nov 5, 2014.

  1. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, according to the people who write TCW that you so adamantly defend, Maw never existed:) Can't have both buds!
     
  2. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    =D=I'm stumped.
     
  3. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    Just because I like the original ending doesn't mean I dislike or ignore the official continuation.
     
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  4. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Well I ignore it.
     
  5. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    You're statement isn't true, TSC. Each one of us can accept whatever we like in SW labels don't apply unless we choose to let them.
     
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  6. Alexrd

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    And that's your choice. But if you're going to argue about it, at least know what you're talking about.
     
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  7. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    I know exactly what I'm talking about..it seems you got confused.

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  8. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    I have to disagree Cushing's Admirer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn

    I got it wrong I suppose Anakin's burn would classify as 4th degree (I didn't know there was a 4th) But even there in the chart below it outlines that it leads to death in some cases. Anakin arguably could have survived those injuries even without the use of the Force. With Maul's injuries not so much.
     
  9. Iron_lord

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    Keep in mind that Maul is an alien - so may possibly be able to survive slightly more severe injuries than a human. What's the worst such abdominal injury a human has survived in real life, I wonder?

    That said - The Sith Hunters implies Maul did not receive any medical treatment - he had to keep himself alive on his own.
     
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  10. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  11. Alexrd

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    I'm not. You said "according to TCW Maul managed to master that secret [of immortality] conveniently".

    He didn't.
     
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  12. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Clever GIF's always trump logical thought!
     
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  13. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Is this where I say: He did.
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    Lol but yes I agree that we disagree:D
     
  14. JEDI-RISING

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    We must have both seen the same movie :)
     
  15. Among the Clouds

    Among the Clouds Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That's the problem with this argument... there's no basis for believing that Maul learned the secret of immortaility. At best, The Supreme Chancellor, that's an interpretation based on circumstances that do not align with what exists in the real world. And if we're going to go down that path, then Star Wars has a lot of non-earthly things we can nitpick and debate all day long. But nowhere has it been established (not by GL, not by Filoni, and certainly not by any episode of TCW, which you yourself said you do not watch) that Maul learned the big secret alluded to in ROTS for cheating death. Thus, there's no continuity error on the part of TCW.
     
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  16. Cael-Fenton

    Cael-Fenton Jedi Master star 3

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    I don't think one needs to point to a specific continuity error to think that the Maul arc is thematically at odds with, and cheapens, what we see in TPM and RotS. Of course it can be made to be technically consistent with the movies. But the overwhelming impression I personally get from moviecanon (I'm not a fan of the superpowered Force-users which populate the EU) is that the common-sense boundaries between life and death still hold for Force-sensitive beings. That Obi-Wan, as he was walking away, thought Vader's injuries would kill him. That when we see Mace Windu get fried and fall out a window a kilometre or so from the ground, we're supposed to infer that Anakin has participated in killing him. That when Qui-Gon's hand drops from Obi-Wan's cheek after he gets run through, we're supposed to think he's dead, not merely unconscious.

    Why would Obi-Wan act as though he's just killed Anakin, if TCW's continuity is consistent with the films (and therefore he should know that cutting Maul in half and dropping him a very, very long way into a very, very deep pit didn't kill him), when he's just removed a couple of limbs and left him with some melted skin? The flames had gone out by the time Obi-Wan turned away, iirc.

    I'm not intending to bash TCW here, or spoil anyone's enjoyment of it. (Personally, I think it has far more fundamental inconsistencies with the films than a mere technical continuity error, which, if it were the only problem, I'd happily overlook and be willing to accept explanations for.) But I am saying that on this particular point, it's very hard to accept it as being consistent with the broader themes (not just specific information) and character development apparent from the movies -- even if one accepts, as I do, that SW is fantasy, not scifi, and there's magic and mystery in the GFFA.
     
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  17. Iron_lord

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    In the novelization of ROTS, Obi-Wan doesn't think Anakin is dead (yet) when he turns away - he's more interested in saving Padme - especially since he can sense Palpatine approaching.
     
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  18. Cael-Fenton

    Cael-Fenton Jedi Master star 3

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    He's obviously not dead yet. My apologies if I gave the impression that I think Obi-Wan thought so. What I meant was that, based on what I see on screen, I doubt Obi-Wan would have just left if he hadn't thought it was reasonable to conclude that Vader would soon be dead from burns and shock, given what he saw his duty to be. The point being that, from Obi-Wan's point of view and to the best of his knowledge at that point, even a hate-filled Sith Lord as strong in the Force as Vader is would not be expected to be able to survive that degree of injury. And this wouldn't make much sense if (Obi-Wan knows that) Maul had survived.

    If Obi-Wan thought Vader's injuries weren't fatal, he'd have at least tried to finish the job (even if he botched it), not walked away. Not even if you accept that he sensed Palpatine approaching right then (I don't agree with Stover's interpretation of the timeframe here, but I'm willing to concede the point). Destroying Vader, not saving Padmé, was Obi-Wan's priority at that point.
     
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  19. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    There are plenty of continuity errors in TCW, until they got rid of it the original canon altogether to make way for all the errors. You must not be familiar with the original CW continuity. I don't know where real life came into this but you are certainly free to feel that you enjoy that plot line. But in my mind someone who survives a fatal injury has the power to...cheat death. Perhas not the exact same power but he certainly did it in TCW. Anyway I'm done with this.
     
  20. The Supreme Chancellor

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    Cael-Fenton I think Obi-Wan ultimately didn't think anyone would be coming to help Anakin. The novel says otherwise but I think Stover took liberty with that. Obv if you left some lying by themselves with injuries of that magnitude they would die eventually. When I earlier referred to people being able to survive such injuries I meant those who receive immediate treatment, like Anakin did.
     
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  21. zompusbite

    zompusbite Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Guys, I already knew the 6 films for a long time but i have really known SW through TCW. At the beginning, I thought the movie poor in quality but I have noticed a marked improvement at the end of season 3. I also liked the relationship between Obi-wan and Anakin but it is the return of Maul that both disappointed me and open my eyes. Thanks to this, I have noticed many of the inconsistencies in both the scenario of the series and in the development of the characters. I am a comic book artist myself, then when I see this kind of plucky work, that breaks my heart, especially when it comes to GL, one of the most respected directors of Hollywood. Dissatisfied and disappointed, I stopped in the middle of the season 5 to seek whether there were other series or small stories on SW and i found the site: www.starwarsuniverse.com. It is through this site that I discovered the novels, comic books and games and that i have been satisfied (even if many are frankly dumb). For me, TCW is a poor work and without interest (storyline speaking) and it is a shame that masterpieces like Star Wars Clone Wars Comics and The Clone Wars Series (Shatterpoint ... ) have been decanonized for the benefit of this fan-show.
    Thank you for reading me.
     
  22. Cushing's Admirer

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    Disagree all you like, TSC. Not all of us let labels dictate what is SW which is fine.
     
  23. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    He didn't say that. He said that he could influence the midichlorians,he also said it was a legend.
     
  24. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't understand what this statement is in regards to:confused:
     
  25. The Supreme Chancellor

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    Truer words were never spoken.