Full Series Official Star Wars Rebels Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

No. What's special is that Luke is the only one able to beat Vader by simply being the latter's son.

Legends already shown there are more than one Jedi Purge survivors. And even the decanonization of EU into legends does NOT mean that Legends is automatically wrong.

In fact, that was what Filoni had emphasized in his second interview: You don't have to be a Jedi to use the Light Side, you don't have to be a Sith to use the Dark Side.

For the Dark Side of the equation, we already see Inquisitor 1.0, and there are going to be at least two more in S2.

Now we need the equivalent on the Light Side.

Plus remember: Kanan has a Holocron. And Ahsoka has a pair of replacement lightsabers.

 

Maybe they are just defending her because people wish her dead all the time?

I don't think of Ahsoka as a goddess, one of my favourite features of her is that she is not overpowered. But she is my favourite character, like some people have Luke or Kanon or Han as theirs. Nobody wans their favourite character to die.

 

I never said I was against other jedi/ex-jedi (good ones) existing in the OT era beyond Obiwan, Yoda, and Luke, Pepopluan. I just have issues with good force users, with some jedi training, who aren't Luke, being apart of the rebellion In the OT.

 

Well, GL had watched Rebels Season 1 and he likes it. Where did you get the idea that it won't have a Jedi?

SWR has been in concept since 2013, and from the get go it toyed with the idea of having a Jedi surviving Order 66, plus a new Padawan character because, well children with Force-sensitivity do not suddenly stopped appearing in the GFFA.

As to Vader not able to beat Kanan & Ezra... well, Kanan himself said in the trailer that it was pure luck that they survived. And...

Spoiler: Season 2 Premiere

Vader had a plan to find out the group's base and hit hard there. A fact nicely presented in S2 Premiere

 

Why?

The Rebel Alliance is a far cry from the mighty Separatists, they need to operate with strict compartmentalization, so that The failure of one group will not affect the Rebellion as a whole.

Plus, as someone had posted before, the Jedi has been gone for quite some time, so no one would pay particular attention or search for one. Luke's Jedi abilities was practically being overlooked nearly throughout the OT. Even Han Solo did not consider Luke's abilities to be of much use, at first.

So, it makes sense that there ARE Light Side Force-users in the Rebellion, but operating in different cells/groups/factions, and they might not be aware of each other.

Do remember that the GFFA is a GALAXY, it's so big that things can happen at the same time in different places without affecting each other.

In fact, this seems to be LSG's plan: to create additional, separate storylines that happen in parallel -- but not intertwined -- with the "Main" storyline. There will be occasional 'interaction' between separate storylines, but no hard inter-dependencies. In other words, LSG is trying to prevent a "small galaxy" syndrome.

 

I'm not following your thought process here. First you say that you think her death could add to Vader's story. How? You didn't answer this other than being honest that you just want her to fall by Vader's hand. Then you shift to if she tries to turn him and fails, that it will add give importance to Luke's story. Handled poorly, this could lessen Luke's journey and starts with Vader questioning his convictions. There is no hint of him doing so until ESB that I can remember.

By the way, this also isn't the first time we have had this type of discussion.

 

Full agreement. Every time an Ahsoka defender appears, I think "Miss Goody Two-Sabers make me wanna barf," with Rizzo's voice.

 

Ugh, stop the fan hating. Some people like Ahsoka, some people like grimdark Sith, some people like Ben Quadinaros. I can understand not liking a character, but hating on her because other fans are enthused by the character? That makes me wanna barf.

I'm glad we got a unique character in Ahsoka who was introduced to Star Wars and connected with a lot of people, in particular girls and women. Yet people were out for blood from the very beginning, asking when she would die. The specter of death was always over her, and then not knowing what would happen after Clone Wars was cancelled didn't help folks with dealing with that. Her appearance in Rebels was a huge celebration by certain fans because there was always the threat of death of their favorite character, or maybe worse, being forgotten. The question was after Clone Wars was cancelled, will people forget about the show and Ahsoka. So we were all happy and relieved when she came back in Rebels, and now Rex is here as well. So that may be a reason for the extremely passionate Ahsoka fans that make you sick, but just consider it brings some other people some happiness at little cost to you.

 

Well, let me add to the general nausea level.

Not that it's likely necessary, but I'd like to reiterate my objections to killing Ahsoka simply to serve as a way to enhance Vader's aura of evil. One, Vader needs no further enhancement, as jabberwalkie stated above. Two, it treats her character like a prop, rather than a character with her own story. Three, it has the very likely potential to turn her into a failure and ultimately just another one of Vader's many other nameless victims.

What does her death achieve for her character? How does it enhance her story?

These days, I take a very leery view of heroic character deaths, because I've seen it misused (and abused) so much. Anecdotally, I'd say about half the heroic main character deaths I've read in fiction have been mishandled. In Star Wars, Crix Madine's death is always the one that sticks out most in my mind as being one of the most egregious. He died a completely pointless death in an attempt to sabotage a super-weapon that didn't actually work because of botched construction. I can easily see Ahsoka's death at the hands of Vader turning out similarly. We know that she's not going to be successful. Her death in an attempt to turn Vader away from the Emperor would be pointless and futile. And the problem is that the audience knows it.

If her death truly completes her character, or if it tells us something important about her we didn't know, I'll back that play. But doing so just for continuity purposes or to make Vader seem more evil seems amateurish.

 

Yes it could but I believe in DF and I think he can hindle it properly IMO but as I said that's just an opinion.

There is also a part of me that just thinks her story is gone but we will see how it goes next season for all I know I might just start liking her.

 

Look I'm gonna throw my hat into the ring, I like Ahsoka now, however back in 08 I HATED her, a lot of fans felt the same way.

On another note, I know the EU is no longer canon but 08-14 it still was and Ahsoka's existence made the state of continuity for a lot of the PT era EU... odd... to say the least. Also apparently she just drops off the face of Earth right before ROTS starts.

That being said I have warmed up to her.

 

Edit: screwed up quote

 

In all honesty Ahsoka became my role model in my teens and still is. She's a strong, amazing character, and I can understand why people don't like her; I still like that fact that there was a female character, besides Leia; Padme etc that was actually in my age range at the time. It was nice, because I felt like I could relate to her on certain things. Like for example, feeling like people didn't trust me with responsibility sometimes. It was almost like I grew up with the character in a way, and I'm really happy that they made her character and added her to the Star Wars Universe.

But anyway, let's get back to Rebels. I wonder if we will get new Inquisitors every season. I mean, it would be interesting but I'm hoping that they will stick around for a while.

 

So is this thread now where we all share our feelings about Ashoka ok then
Well her it goes
I liked her from Season 1-3 but after that not so much when season 4 came around I did not like her at All but as time has gone on I have slowly lessened my dislike of her and for about 5 seconds I was even excited to see her back in the final but that went the way side so now I wait and for all I know Ashoka may go the way of Ezra and Maybe I will like her again

It all depends on the story.

 

Jedi Knight Fett

What do you mean by go the way of Erza?

 

I liked him at the begging then I did not then I did.

 

You are still dodging the question of how it would add to Vader's story, a point you initially made, but I guess you wanted to shift points to Luke's story rather than flesh out the full thought process. That's cool, I just don't see it. I also don't see how Ahsoka's death at Vader's hand adds anything to her story either as Octavian Dibar pointed out.

Spoiler: Siege of Lothal

I also am not really buying into the scenario where she would try to redeem Vader either considering she now knows that Vader is Anakin. Whether she knows that Anakin helped to exterminate the Jedi in the Temple and kill pretty much she ever knew and cared about is rather unclear, but if she was told by Bail or heard in a rumor that Vader was responsible for it in some way then it is likely she would view that as betrayal of the highest order. Though I think we will be able to get a better sense of how she would react based on her reaction if the female inquisitor turns out to be Barriss.

 

I'm sorry, but I do not understand your reasoning at all.

I LIKE ahsoka, and I still think death by vader is the most fitting, and badass way she could die in an epic duel with her former master.

"Continuity doesn't matter?" Lol I guess they killed my beloved EU for nothing if that's the way you think new canon should be.

 

I could see it go that way we're they just fight to the death and if they do that then no it would not add anymore to either Character.

And your right now that I think about it, it does not add to Vaders story but Luke's.

 

Looks like its my time to share some of feelings about Ahsoka then.

Im glad we were given a female alien character as one of the mains in TCW. A nice change from the human centric cast of the OT and PT. Someday we should get a female alien, as a main character in a film.

I never hated her character in TCW, but I have grown to like her.

Although I have no problem with her dying before ANH, and I do believe she should not be apart of the Rebellion in the OT.

I do think the topic to this thread should be changed to, "OFFICIAL STAR WARS REBELS AND AHSOKA DISCUSSION THREAD (Spoilers Allowed)".

 

Okay, so the fight between Vader and Ahsoka is epic. I don't mean to be flippant but, so what? We already know that Ahsoka is a competent warrior. We have no doubts as to her valor and courage. What's the purpose of their fight? How does it enhance her character? We already know she's going to lose to Vader if they fight to the end. If her goal is to turn or defeat Vader, she dies a failure. And that's a disappointing ending to me.

Continuity does matter, but the scale of the GFFA is so large that there are near infinite ways to have her living well past the OT and having it not affect continuity in any way. Simply, continuity is not, by itself, important enough a reason to kill her when you have so many options to choose from.

 

Don't be surprised when they do.

 

edit, nevermind

 

Logic bothers you? Why would you want Ahsoka to die of old age or uncerimoiously as a Mary-Sue in whatever "New EU" book or game? A duel with Vader in Rebels would be far more epic, sometimes predictability is a good thing.

Fett fans have it much worse, he died like a punk and as far as Disney is *currently* concerned he is still dead.