ST Daisy Ridley (Rey) in Episode VII

The easiest explanation for Rey and Kylo being Solos is that if they were Luke's then we'd know nothing of their mother which seems a bit off.

 

I would say the biggest thing that favour the Rey Solo over Rey Skywalker is the fact that Kylo really seems to be related to Han (and obviously Leia). And the story is much more powerful if it is about brothers than if it is about cousins.

 

Yes

 

Your mother helped steal the death star plan.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ofmhouk39ktvila/AACRaRdrdwiMUSobpkHLzRTba?dl=0#/

She looks like Anakin with that goggle on, lol.

 

yeah I know and I don't like the pace of actual action movies. You don't have time to establish any attachment to the characters and everything is too rushed. It may be the same with TFA. I will have a hard time to establish any attachment to the new characters when they jump from one action scene to the next, like I don't remember feeling any attachment to any of the recent action movie characters. I often cannot remember them a few days after I have seen these movies.

 

A couple of other odds and ends...

The Leia thing again...

So yeah, Rose knows about Kylo Ren, because she tells Finn why Han is upset.

And after Leia gets the lightsaber from Rose to give to Finn, Han and her go back to arguing. Which would be strange if you just learned about your long-lost daughter; or even Luke's daughter. So Rose knows why Kylo Ren upset Han, but nothing about Rey; everyone is still in the dark on her.

And I guess, "Later in the film, she is touched when Finn and the gang came back for her as they cross paths." Which reads as Rey is touched that they came back and risked their necks for someone that they don't know, as opposed to being touched that her father (part of the gang) came back and risked his neck to save her. Because it would be odd to be touched by one of your parents doing that. So Rey is even in the dark on who she is apparently.

So yeah, unless MSW is missing some huge chunks, or misreading a lot of stuff, then it's hard see any connection. Unless we find out at the very end of the movie. And Rose knew all along and just never told anyone. And giving further reason to never trust those short, little aliens that barley come up to your knee in Star Wars.

 

I do think Rey is totally in the dark until the very end of VII or maybe even until VIII. If that's the case, then yeah, the Han sacrifice needs to be about something else and not just saving his child from his other child. Maybe he's just being a good person and feels responsible for his son so he does everything in his power to stop him. It wouldn't be totally out of the ordinary for Han and Leia to not recognize her right away if she was lost as a baby/toddler. But then you have to reconcile the fact that in ROTJ, Leia said she's "always known" about Luke being her twin brother so yeah..

 

I bolded the interesting tidbits up top; Leia and Han argue (could be an argument over Kylo/or Rey combination etc) and then the "elated" reaction to Luke - I wish we had some context to those two statements it would really help us

 

So are we all in agreement at this point?

Rey(s) identity is up in the air

Kylo Ren is a Solo?

That's where I'm at!!

 

Yes.

 

Under the assumption MSW info is accurate, I 'd say:

Kylo Ren Solo is at 90%

"Kira" Rey Solo is probably 65%

 

I'd like to point out again that people shouldn't take scene descriptions in coded language straight up. For example, people are getting way too hung up on the lack of detail or dialogue that would fill out the context of "a fond farewell" between Leia and Rey, or for example the aftermath of the flashback between Han and Rey.

Some of you are reading the extremely simple bullet points and truncated, coded descriptions and assuming that "well, it can't possibly be a father-daugher/mother-daughter interaction because we got no interaction or exposition!". However, we're missing all of the dialogue, context, basically everything.

Look at it this way: let's assume you got rough descriptions of TESB, and all you got was
SCENE 34: Vader reveals fatherhood to Luke. Luke jumps off platform.

Without any context or any of the build-up in the movie - what would you think? Would you even think he reveals himself to be Luke's father, from that description? Would you assume Luke dies?

The speculation concerning Rey and Han/Leia is based on the fact that they actually do get interaction, and the coded description describe rather emotional/intense connections.

I'd say there is a very high probability that Rey is a Skywalker, I'd even put it at 90% + at this point.
As for Leia or Luke being the parent, thusfar more points towards Leia than Luke.

 

I'm cool if Rey does indeed turn out be Skywalker/Solo child, and I'm confident her story has been well written. But here's the thing. While the answer to that particular question is still very much a speculative one as things stand, I'm still leaning toward her being an unrelated character. It just makes sense to me the more I think about it. Primarily because it does away with the need for a contrived explanation as to how she's ended up living her life on Jakku. If, as I believe, Kylo Ren is the son of Han and Leia, his backstory of how he ended up becoming the character he is will be enough to chew on. Without throwing the dynamic of Rey ALSO being an offspring into the mix. Too much.

 

To me the biggest indication is her very obviously similar physical appearance to Padme along with her apparent Force power. These two factors combined are much too big of a coincidence for me to assume an unrelated character.
On top of that, the apparent parallels to Luke's story..."stranded" on a desolate desert planet, thrown into adventure with a droid, and possibly revealing a more significant past/destiny for the character - it's a very familiar and appealing entry point into the story for the audience, which one can later deviate from and spin off in new directions compared to the OT.

 

That, and a couple of other things.

1) What does Rose tell Finn. We know she tells him about Kylo Ren, that's why he consoles Han, but does she tell him anything else; like something about Rey?

MSW has found nothing that indicates that she does. So that has to still be out there, (and not to get Jocasta Nu) or doesn't it exist.

2) And does she tell Leia anything other than give Finn the lightsaber? That's all that MSW has at the moment, and it's all they've had for the last few months. So there has to be another part of that scene too that they don't have.

Otherwise, how does Leia know who she is when they meet at the end? And to make that anything more than a "thank you" and "a fond farewell." And maybe a "you remind me of my mother" on Rey's part to Leia.

So it's only a few things, but they're pretty big things. And the Kylo Ren stuff they had speculated for a few months now. So the new stuff just put more meat on the bones on what they already suspected.

 

I wouldn't read too much in to the fact she's a brunette. That's akin to saying Finn has to be related to Lando or Mace Windu in some way because he's black. It's irrelevant. As for the fact she's almost definitely a Force sensitive, that doesn't instantly mean she HAS to be a Skywalker/Solo? I personally think her character will carry much more gravitas if she has no connections. But that's just me.

 

Since there are flashbacks of her and Kylo Ren and she can use the Force an explanation as to how she ended up on Jakku will indeed be needed, as well as to why and how she met Kylo before.

 

It's not that she's a brunette. It's that she looks almost exactly like Natalie Portman/Keira Knightley, who both played Padme, combined with the fact that she has Force powers. A character that looks almost exactly like her potential grandmother, with Force powers...and unrelated? That just seems very unlikely to me. It's no proof, but at this point we're simply dealing in likelihoods, and these factors combined scream Skywalker to me.

Look at some pictures of Ridley next to Portman, especially without makeup. It's eerie, and you don't cast like that for no reason or out of sheer coincidence.

 

without make up? Pics?

 

It's just too obvious for me for it to be true. So Daisy looks a little like Natalie, mainly due to having brown hair and brown eyes. Leia also brown hair and brown eyes. Did a young Carrie look like Natalie?

 

Then why doesn't Rey have a last name? Is it because they are leaving it blank until she takes up the name Skywalker as Luke's apprentice/adopted daughter in VIII?

Even if she's been an orphan from very early on, she must have been taken in by someone on Jakku and there's little reason why she wouldn't grow up with this person's last name as their child. Or could it be that she's really Luke's daughter or Leia/Han's daughter, so Abrams/Disney doesn't want her to have one last name in TFA then switch it for the rest of the ST, lest they confuse the kids buying all those toys. Before Rey and Finn, all human characters in Star Wars had first and last names or titles and last names. So I still think something is up with that.

 

Well taking that into account, I really can't see the point in withholding Finn's first name/surname? Just maybe that is all she is known as simply because when she was found as an orphan her full name was never known? And Rey is the name given to her by whoever took her in.

 

I liked the Dukes of Hazzard.

 

Is she to become a jedi???