ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in Episode VII

My son just came up with a little theory. Some "mirror-ing" if you will.

Yoda is in 1, 2 and 3.
Luke is in 4, 5 and 6.
Yoda misses 4, but then is in 5 and 6.
Luke misses 7... but then is in 8 and 9?
Obi-Wan is in 1, 2 and 3.
Han is in 4, 5 and 6.
Obi-Wan is in 4 and dies.
Han is in 7 and dies.

That runs inline with my own personal feeling...

According to what we supposedly know Luke may not have much screentime in TFA, but he sure as hell is important to the plot of the film, and more than likely just as important and much more screentime through the trilogy.
Bit better than Han eh? He gets one extra film, doesn't seem to be too important to the plot, and then gets killed.
Which one is shafted?

Neither in my opinion I'm not bothered in the slightest. I'm sure it's all being done because of an in-universe reason for the good of the narrative and not as a personal action of the director.

 

Makes sense. IF they're really doing some of the mirroring with the handing off from the old guard, it does look structurally like Han is the guy hanging around to give the new cast the rub, and Luke is going to be the Yoda. Given Luke's power at this point, that would make the most sense.

The only question is how involved has a Jedi been in Rey and Kylo Ren's life, and whether Finn is destined to become a Jedi or if he's just holding a lightsaber for a movie.

 

The big factor here is if this ST didn't exist, audiences could rest knowing that ROTJ ended with the characters happy and the conflict resolved. Now that we are getting a ST and oh btw the OT story you thought was over actually is still in a stalemate and everything you think would've happened after ROTJ didn't and/or got messed up again.

 

Basically this. Luke is the Yoda, not the Obi-Wan. Although I'd be really surprised if we never see Luke in action, but it seems that they're remembering some of those OT mantras that withholding things can sometimes be as powerful if not moreso than granting them.

Now even though the film would have been insanely hyped anyway, Episode VIII is going to be the "Luke movie"

 

I'm around since the 80's and there were discussions like continue the story after ROTJ, but first doing another Indiana Jones. This was around 1988 or 1989, so I always expected a ST and not a PT, until George announced this later. lol

 

Well, Yoda was always a supporting character. Having him skip a film is not quite a shock. Luke was the central character of the OT, which makes his absence more notable.

 

I hope so, but we have no single hint that this is the case. Episode VIII could also be only the new big 3 taking over.

 

You don't do an end of movie stinger and then not pay off in a film released 2 years later.

 

I'll say this: the EU took the safe, predictable path that some of you seem to want. Look how that turned out. Safe choices lead to mediocrity.

KK might have promised that TFA will deliver what the fans want. I'm a fan. I want a good movie.

 

Yes, but watching a movie which means, ok this is not your movie, just wait 2 more years and then you may see a movie which interests you?

 

Presumably there'll be more than just two hours of padding in TFA. Isn't it conceivable that you could walk out as a fan of elements (indeed, maybe even the story) being presented in the meantime?

 

I wonder why people are against Luke having a wife. Fortunately, the writers don't think the same way as they gave Luke a love interest in "Heir to the Jedi". So don't be surprised if Luke does get married during VI and VII.

 

In all fairness, there's also nothing saying that Luke had to have married to have a kid in the first place. For all we know, he got a lover (maybe more than one lover) pregnant and she decided to carry her pregnancy full-term.

 

I'd prefer Luke either be alone or married. A player wouldn't suit his character.

 

"C'mon babe, don't be uncool. I said I'd pay for the procedure!"

 

Or Luke could have adopted a child without either a wife or lover. If he has a spouse / lover, all I ask is that it is done well.

Mara Jade and the love interest in Heir to the Jedi debunk the done well bit.

I've yet to read / see a convincing, good romance for Luke. When I think of a romance that works with a loner kind of hero, I think of Marion Ravenwood in Raiders of the Lost Ark. If they write a love interest who can hold her own, works with Luke / the story and feels natural to the universe (not Tauriel), I'll roll with that, but until such time, nope.

 

Random female Twi'lek: But why don't you want a relationship?
Luke: I'm force sensitive, baby. Just don't want to get hurt.

 

I don't think there's any philosophical reason against Luke having a wife, he had a love interest in the new canon book, he had tons of love interests in the EU books, but in terms of the films, it gets tricky because Mark Hamill never had an on-screen love interest in the OT and you inevitably have to sacrifice parts of the storytelling due to the time that's passed. Yeah, there's the books but I think Disney's mindset on that is audiences should never have to read the books to understand the movies, only if they want additional information.

 

I think it would fit the character. Luke demonstrates the power of familial love in ROTJ, against the advice of his sexless Jedi mentors, Obi-Wan and Yoda. Reverting to the old way of doing things would ring false to me. Unless something happens to Luke that incapacitates him and prevents him from starting a family, I would definitely expect him to have done so, and possibly even encourage his students to love and raise families as well. Could make for an interesting dynamic with the Jedi in the ST.

 

For me it's whether they compliment and complete each other. Marriage is supposed to be a team effort. Agreed on Mara. We've seen how Luke and women do NOT work. Please either reverse the trend or stop it altogether.

 

Mara Jade is a character that needed to be on-screen and have a charismatic actress playing the role. On paper, she comes off too abrasive and you don't get much of the subtlety of her personality. . Like Ygritte from Game of Thrones was criticized in the books for similar reasons but worked well with Rose Leslie playing her on the show.

 

Thanks for sharing you're view. I don't share it. I very strongly dislike Jade and never thought she meshed with Luke at all.

 

I agree on that, but this doesn't mean a strong and convincing female character cannot be created, who could match up as Luke's longterm love interest (I'm not talking about marriage).

 

I agree on the first part but I differ from many about here on what 'strong' entails.

 

Luke and Nakari from HTTJ work imo.
Even if Luke doesn't do much in TFA there are 2 more movies after this. TFA does not equal the entire ST.
I can see Luke adopting someone.