Lit Star Wars about Exar Kun

Its interesting but even if its a mangled version of Luke, it comes off as a real name with a different meanings. Luke itself is anglicized version of the Latin name Lucas , in Greek it would be Loukas, meaning "man from Lucania" (a region of Southern Italy named after the Italic tribe the Lucani).

Ulic's brother Cay, also has a name that could be Kai which could mean anything from "keeper of the keys; earth" in Greek or "safe harbor" or "fight" in various in Germanic languages or the name could be from Latin Caius(means happy). Was popular in Romano-Briton Arthurian legend Sir Kay and probably still in use by the Welsh today.


Massassi I always suspected were modeled somewhat on the Maasai people who often used a lot of red dyes. Dark Horse was doing Predator at around the same time, and the Predator species was also supposedly modeled after those Nilotic people.

 

KJA definitely rewrote the lore when Veitch left. This is evidenced by the fact that in "The Sith War," Exar Kun says, "One of my predecessors, the Dark Lord Naga Sadow," while in "Dark Lords of the Sith" Exar repeatedly learns that Naga Sadow was rebelling against the Dark Lords.

Before Veitch left, the lore went as follows: Reigning Dark Lord ruled the galaxy. He oppressed the Sith civilization and the Republic. Eventually, the Republic and Jedi gain the upper hand and decide to wipe out the Sith people and the Dark Lords. While the Sith are getting wiped out, Reigning Dark Lord records a "message" in two amulets. Naga Sadow, a priest of the Sith civilization who has pure Sith blood and who has been fighting against both the Dark Lords and the Republic, steals one of the amulets, blows up a star with the Corsair, and flees to Yavin. Reigning Dark Lord flees to Korriban. Eventually, Freedon Nadd tracks down Reigning Dark Lord and becomes his apprentice. Freedon Nadd fails to become a Dark Lord, but nonetheless becomes King of Onderon and continues working with Reigning Dark Lord as a spirit. Centuries pass, and then Ulic Qel-Droma and the Beast Wars of Onderon happens.

 

There has been a debate as to whether or not Exar Kun is overrated or not. I personally lean toward the former. Kun was indeed a skilled duelist and powerful Sith sorcerer, but he was also overconfident. I agree more with EvanNova95's assessment that Yoda could best Exar Kun, whereas Jensaarai1 says that Darth Vader could not beat Kun. But it is telling that Kun waited until Nomi Sunrider left to strike once, and Nomi was instrumental in cutting off Kun's apprentice from the Force and sealing Kun on Yavin 4. Don't get me wrong. Exar Kun was a deadly opponent and a terrifying threat to the galaxy. He was, however, one of the forerunners up to Bane's Order of the Sith Lords. I think that Sidious could have defeated him.



Personally, I think Exar Kun is the type of guy I'd never want to meet in real life. I think Nomi Sunrider is the best part of that story. Love her character.

 

Ulic was already repenting and felt guilty heavily after he killed Cay. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Nomi didn't cut Ulic but Exar from the force instead at an earlier stage. But she had to have been near to him - is that so? Anyway that force-separating thing - I can't buy it really if Nomi is not using that feeling of guilt already existent in Ulic. That would be like Darth Bane being cut by himself from the force by his bad conscience for a while after having slain Fohargh at Korriban before Githany came to help him to regain his access to the force like he had before that duel.


Your signature does match your posting above mine perfectly

 

oh man this thread is the 90s all over again alright

 

DM,
you said such quite some pages before. So stop trolling here when you don't have to contribute something valuable in this thread.

 

Thanks. I tried to choose a good signature.

Ulic is an interesting character. He's an example of how not everything is black and white in the EU. His story is similar to some of Shakespeare's tragedies.

 

Yeah,it's a shame we never got more stories of Nomi.

As to real-life Kuns, oh, you've probably already crossed paths with at least one!

 

Too many. Lol. Nomi is inspiring to us ladies, though. And I love most of the artwork depicting her.

 

How is soaking in the nostalgia trolling?

 

The thread doesn't need commentary, regardless. Contribute to the ongoing conversation or stay out.

 

So do I need to put in a formal request because I recall my NJO thread getting derailed countless times. Plz advise

 

I'll keep a better eye on it, if you wish, and you're always free to PM or use the report function.

 

Korriban/Moraband reminds me of R.E. Howard's Stygia which was some nightmarish version of Ancient Egypt combined with other cultures. Even with Moraband there was a certain specific influence of Aztec, as they performed human sacrifices. Other influences are Greco-Roman and Egyptian and all of that kinda stuff obviously.

I would say Exar Kun was surely one of the strongest Sith Lords to have ever existed in SW. He's got more in common with Anakin and Maul than Sidious, although he does share comparisons to Sidious as well. Kun was quite young when waged terrible war on the galaxy as a warlord. Before he became a Sith Lord he was already a powerful Jedi Knight and follows pretty much a similar path that Lucas would later use for Anakin in the PT. The amulet stuff was interesting, TCW only finally started exploring Force related crystal powers and darkside sorcery in later seasons of TCW. I do feel the amulets were a bit too Infinity gauntlet-like but they were likely also the then equivalent to the Death Star on a more personal scale. Star Wars:Ewoks they used a lot of magic and magic crystals as well so not really a major issue for me as we saw similar stuff in Star Wars media before. Exar Kun's apprentice was weaker(not necessarily physically but emotionally and evil level) than him and ended up betraying him, something like Vader or dark Luke betraying Sidious(ROTJ/Dark Empire). I think the fact his spirit lingered on is testament to his power and evil being to great to destroy outright. Kun was perhaps a light that burned twice as bright that burned half as long.

But like all heroic fiction, the bad guys have to lose in the end, so you know they create these really powerful evil characters to eventually push the hero to victory. All canonical SW endings are lightside/good guy victories triumphing over the bad guys/darkside.

 

Powerful, certainly (Vodo suggests he's the most talented apprentice Vodo's ever had). Knight, on the other hand - I'm not so sure about - wasn't he still a Padawan when he went to Nadd's tomb?

 

He's listed as a Jedi Knight:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exar_Kun

 

It also says he "declared himself a Jedi Knight and Jedi Archaeologist".

To quote Master Arca "You are no archaeologist."

 

Jedi Knight is a Jedi Knight clearly there. Besides, the ancient Jedi Order of that timeline was different from the Jedi Order of Republic(movies). Vodo Baas had more than one apprentice even.

Upon opening the book, looks like he was knighted after the Slyvar incident as a month later passed(they just do not show you any ceremony) , he used his freedom as a Jedi Knight to impose his presence on Onderon despite the self ordained Jedi Archaeologist title failing to convince Master Arca who felt he was not there for scientific curiosity alone but there to learn to genuinely learn the darkside for self enrichment. And Arca agreed that he could do nothing because Kun was indeed a Jedi , that part was correct and there was no disputing.

Arca: What he says is true,,, a Jedi is free to come and go as he pleases and to follow the path the path he has chosen.

 

I remember in the KOTOR series, when discussing the killing of Padawans to prevent the rise of the next Sith Lord, Exar Kun was brought up, at least.

 

A number of concepts that were created as part of Exar Kun's story went on to become prominent parts of Star Wars lore. Korriban, saberstaffs, Sith spirits being chained to an object or location, Naga Sadow, "Marka Ragnos", and pyramid-shaped Sith holocrons are all concepts that originated with Exar Kun.

 

True that. Arca did only rebuke Kun for his selfappointment as an archeologist, not at his statement, that he is a Jedi-Knight. Would he still have been a padawan, he would not have been allowed to travel freely where his heart is leading him to, when there is no mission imposed upon him, of course (should the Jedi have made Kun busy with a mission instead of letting him strolling around Freedon Nadd's tomb?)

Wookiepedia writes that Vodo Siosk-Baas was the leader of the academy on Dantooine for exceptional Jedi-apprentices, in the German edition of Star-Wars-Essential 6 it is even stated, he dedicates his live (on Dantooine) to prepare Jedi-Masters for combat with the Dark Side. So I assume Sylvar, Crado and Kun were already Jedi-Knights while dueling themselves on Dantooine under the behold and judgement of Siosk-Baas.

 

"Get up! We will duel as Jedi!"
"You may have fooled Master Vodo, but you don't fool me. You are no Jedi!"

Perhaps a hint as to Vodo being the one who promoted him, true.

 

Sylvar says that to Kun still on Dantooine. And later on Ossus her boyfriend Crado tells Exar: "You are still an apprentice, Exar. Master Vodo did not yet ordain you a Jedi-Master." But that did not prevent him later to follow Exar Kun to Yavin IV where he surely abandoned his girlfriend Sylvar. That is an interesting parallel to Nomi/Ulic. Kun seduces the male part of the couple leaving behind the female to stay alone.

 

It could be that in this setting, Jedi Knights, while granted some degree of independence, are still expected to train under Masters, and still called "apprentice" until they reach Master rank.

 

In SWFanon I read that Exar Kun was born 4020 BYC. That means when he died 3996 he was 24 years only. Can this be or is this far to young?