PT RLM provides a brilliant satire of prequel bashing, not an actual critique of the prequels!

Yeah, that's another reason why I dislike them.

 

I kind of agree with that!

If I need a review or someone else spending a vast amount of time telling me that a movie is bad before I realize, I might be completely lacking in taste (which a lot of people keep saying to others who like the PT), or the movie isn't as horrible and catastrophic as the internet says.

 

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I love his reviews from an entertaining stand point. Though I do think the man's opinions on the prequels are negative, but not as construed as his Plinkett persona. The thing I find hilarious is when people use these reviews for bashing the prequel films. Yes, there are some correct point in there, but the majority is just nonsense... and you would know that if you watched the films.

 

But the ring theory isn't new at all, everyone knows Lucas put paralels in the Prequels, but simply repeating what we've seen doesn't make them good movies. The Originals themselves had Return of the Jedi paraleling A New Hope.


And Stoklasa mentioned Lucas's use of paralelisms too, he just said in the context of the Prequels many of those scenes didn't work as well.

I think HelloGreedo usualy breaks these stuff down very well:

 

Stoklasa did mention it but the only thing he did about it is mocking Lucas's idea about paralelism between the movies and never tried to deepen it or analyze it.

HelloGreedo doesn't like the PT and everyone knows that. He produced videos mocking the prequels in the past.

See my comment below on another thread towards Mike Stoklasa's reviews and lack of informed opinion:

 

HelloGreedo also doesn't like PT fans very much.

 

The RLM crew likes things that are new and don't just gravitate towards the familiar, they've shown that multiple times from their Half in the Bag videos to the comments on their forums. The thing is that they didn't think it worked with the prequels, which is why they mocked the way Lucas did it in the Prequels.

What's the problem with HelloGreedo not liking the Prequels? Does not liking those films make your opinion stop mattering as a SW fan? Plenty of yotubers or podcasters who discuss Star Wars to great lengths dislike the Prequels, it's nothing new, i pointed that video because he makes good points and in this case he doesn't insult Prequel fans, even saying that the hate against the Prequels can get too exagerated and that it's just his opinion that the way the Prequels handled certain things didn't work. In the end of the video, he even advices fans to try reading it, even though he doesn't exactly agree with most of it.

I don't agree with everything RLM says, but his videos do point out several reasons for why some things didn't work very well. This video was made around 2002 and has the RLM crew when they were younger, Mike and Rich seem genuinely disappointed by Episode I and what they feel like Star Wars became after the originals.


Edit: Keep in mind that only around 3 of the people in there would form RLM (Mike, Rich and Jay), Jay usualy seems like the harshest one when it comes to reviewing films, and in that video he barely has any argument regarding the subject.

 

Hello Greedo is as much a putz as Plinkitt.

 

The only thing I remember from seeing TPM back in '99 is that I didn't understand why there weren't any stormtroopers. Yeah, I know it's silly, but I was 12. I didn't really love the film...I didn't hate it...I just forgot about it. I was mostly into Star Wars video games at this time and that's where my interest remained, until 2002 when AOTC came out. I remember when they announced the title for Episode 2 I was floored - not in a good way - I absolutely hated the title, and thought it must have been a prank, but no it was legit. Seeing the film was a different experience altogether. It reinvigorated my love for cinematic Star Wars. For the longest time I'd watch ROTJ on VHS and ANH when it came on TBS, but that was basically it. After AOTC came out I pretty much became a fanatic. I revisited TPM and found something in it that I'd missed when I was 12, and I've been hooked on those two films ever since. ROTS was a disappointment at the time, and that's mostly because it didn't tie-up a lot of loose ends from AOTC, but over time I've come to appreciate it for its strong characterization, it's highly focused narrative, and just the sheer emotion of it all. ROTS is my second favorite Star Wars film, but it's by far the most difficult to watch, which I believe is a testament to how amazing it is.

I bring all this up, because I see people having a more negative opinion of the prequels over the years, which is absolutely their prerogative. However, some of these people, and I definitely include the RLM crowd in this seem to have trouble grasping that fans of the prequels come from all walks of life. Some of us grew up solely on the prequels; some grew up with the OT; some grew up with both; and some, like me, were apathetic to them - TPM - only to discover that there's so much to love about them upon further examination.

 

"If only you would examine them further! If only you could truly appreciate the artistry! If only you could wrap your brains around the complexity of the prequels! It's a conspiracy! The RLM reviews have an effect on the weak minded!"

The PT fans do exactly what they accuse the PT critics of equally. Usually with statements similar to above. It's insulting.

 

I dont even consider RLM a review idk what to call it. "Why doesent he do this...?" "Why didnt the jedi...?" Thats a stupid reason when reviewing films. You can apply that to all movies. Why didnt the main character just do this? Why did woman run into the woods when getting chased by the monster? The reviews are consisted of that,nitpicking and bad attempt at humor.

 

There's nothing wrong if he doesn't like the prequels.

But I feel that the fact that he's left rather unimpressed by the Ring Theory is because his dislike towards the prequels has obscured too much his judgement. Especially when he says: "This article really reminded me of those blank and philosophy books, remember those?", and then "Every massive pop culture has been turned into one of these books. They always seem quite goofy."

I don't agree with what he said at the end because in the case of Star Wars, it's not about turning a series of movie or a pop culture into a philosophical book or whatever... The references to philosophy and to our real world culture and history are already there, whether it is in the original or prequel trilogy. He forgets that George Lucas has studied a lot about literature, philosophy and mythology. In the original Star Wars there is a lot of references on the work of the mythologist Joseph Campbell from which George Lucas has taken courses at college (and a lot of people seem to be forgetting that or ignoring it).

Star Wars isn't a simple series of movie or a simple pop culture that then can be turned into a modern myth just because it had a huge impact on movie culture. It's already a modern myth which is part of our contemporary world and it will still be referenced to in many studies about mythology and philosophy in the future, just as older books or artwork of the past are today.

 

He certainly doesn't. In the beginning of his 'Inside Revenge of the Sith' video, he indirectly compares fans of the Prequel Trilogy to pedophiles, for no reason at all.
I lost all my respect for him there.

 

Exactly in a nutshell.

If you sit down to watch a film and question EACH AND EVERY action the characters make,you've already made up your mind that you're in it only to pick it apart.

 

HelloGreedo literally makes a living gratuitously bashing Lucas and PT. Even his OT stuff is so cynically nostalgia-based that it's impossible for me to take his perspectives seriously.. He, like RLM, is 90% shtick, 10% substance. His opinion on any PT topic is about as valuable as the grandwizard of the KKK's opinion of Malcolm X

 

Watched a few of his videos just now. I had never heard of him before and it was nothing but hateboy garbage. Awful. It's like he wants to hate every aspect of the PT. I cannot stomach people like that.

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I used to take his videos seriously at beginning, but there's a lot of anti-prequel content. Sometimes he can moderate its tone like in this video in which he says that he doesn't hate George Lucas and that he couldn't care less about the definition of "true Star Wars fan":





I used to praise these videos and I agreed with most of his arguments. I didn't mind that he didn't like the prequels.

But then, a few weeks ago he published this video which I really didn't like, especially when he said: "You're here to show a Star Wars prequel to a developing mind." implying that... those who do like a prequel movie don't have a developing or a developed mind?



I didn't like most of its content, but there are some videos in which he can, at the least provide some reasonable arguments without hating and bashing ruthlessly the prequels.

 

In fairness the KKK and like minded people often admire black nationalist like MX because Malcom spoke out against those ''horrible'' jews.

 

You should be careful with what you're saying. There might be some people here on this forum who are jews and can feel insulted by that.

Besides, we are not here to discuss Malcom's idea and make a parallel with a fan who doesn't like the PT. That seems a little bit harsh.

 

In fairness I was trying to be satirical given how many people have been complaining about the alien in TPM being racist stereotypes..........

.........while being completely fine with this mind you.


Sure the neimoidians asian stereotypes and the original trilogy is the movie equivalent of a saint.

 

We must have been watching different channels because I dont see him as reasonable at all. His hating Lucas video is that tired and vaguely paranoid old trope of the saint-like scrappy underdog-genius who becomes drunk with power and turns into some sort of artistically corrupted vaudeville villain. He even manages to drench that video in gratuitous nostalgia about the (fictitious) good ol days of the 80s.

The 'real fan' vid sounds nice, but is really kind of.. well.. bold faced BS. He has demeaned PT fans on several occasions throughout his channel. He certainly doesnt follow that credo.

He's the archetypal blinded-by-nostalgia OT-purist PT-basher. And his super cynical attempts to present himself as objective just make him more objectionable to me.

 

I have to disagree with this, he felt unimpressed because the Ring theory realy is nothing new at all, everyone's been talking about the paralels since almost the very moment Episode I came out, and then II was released and the paralels got more obvious. I think Lucas has great ideas, but i didn't find him a very good storyteller in the Prequels, glad some enjoy it, but unfortunately to me and some fans it left much to be desired.

 

I don't know... Maybe I'm saying this because I've seen much more negative (and stupid) things on youtube than the HelloGreedo's videos.

Like this RedLetterMedia video in which they describe Lucas as the devil destroying Star Wars:



Or again, this review from Sam's channel on Attack of the Clones, in which he takes a lot of content from RedLetterMedia and transpose it in his review, which made it the longest and the most negative review he has ever done on a movie. It even resulted, after I've watched this video, that I started to hate Episode II:

 

Sam is a pretentious hack.