main
side
curve

Full Series Rebels.. does it get better?..

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Snokers, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. Snokers

    Snokers Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jul 8, 2015
    I just started watching Rebels today (I've watched 2 episodes so far) does it get any better or am I wasting my time? I was a huge fan of The Clone Wars and that wasn't the best to start off with but got better as it went on.

    p.s. the wookiee's in this show look awful.
     
    whostheBossk likes this.
  2. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

    Registered:
    Jun 8, 2006
    I saw the whole first season and for me the answer's no.
     
  3. Snokers

    Snokers Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jul 8, 2015
    I had a feeling, I'll give it another two episodes :(
     
  4. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

    Registered:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Good man giving it a decent go. :)
     
    Darkslayer and TrustyTrooper like this.
  5. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Depends on what you liked about TCW.

    I really like Rebels other than Fighter Flight and Path of the Jedi, and I loved the first two seasons of TCW.

    "Better" is a subjective term.
     
    Kentoa, spicer and Iron_lord like this.
  6. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

    Registered:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Of course it is but he asked for subjective views.
     
    Darkslayer and TrustyTrooper like this.
  7. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Mar 4, 2011
    OK.

    Kind of hard to answer his question without some parameters that define his "subjective views."

    Saying the Wookiees look terrible indicates...not much.
     
    rumsmuggler and jabberwalkie like this.
  8. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod & Bewildered Conductor of SWTV Lit &Collecting star 7 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Oct 16, 2008
    I mean, pretty much any view anyone has on here will be subjective. Unless someone's writing an article (Vorax/Tarados walls-of-text don't count), then their view will be colored by their own tastes and perceptions.

    Now me, my general rule of thumb with any TV show is to watch the first 5 episodes. If I don't like it by then, I'll give up and move onto another show.

    With Rebels I was hooked right away. Was it a bit of a downgrade in quality from TCW? A little, but it was still plenty enjoyable. Plus, it has an amazing cast, including the guy show played freaking MLK as a semi-regular. It's set closer to the OT, so that feeling is much more prevalent than any PT feeling, yet it still manages to tie the two eras together really well.

    So I say give it a shot. If you still don't like it after "Rise of the Old Masters", then I'd say it's a safe bet it will not get better for you. But as always, I'll let you determine that. We can steer you in certain directions, but you can only follow the path that you choose.
     
    whostheBossk, Kentoa, Docgeo and 3 others like this.
  9. Darth Darthious

    Darth Darthious Jedi Youngling

    Registered:
    Jul 13, 2015
    I watched like 12 episodes so far and its boring as dung. I thought it was just me so I watched it anyway. Maybe the second season is better. I'm still going to watch it probably.
     
  10. EECHUUTA

    EECHUUTA Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Registered:
    Mar 19, 2007
    Don't forget TCW was like that too at the beginning, and then they started getting better with the animation and the sets. I still remember people complaining about Dooku's 'wooden beard.' :p

    Trusty, I think Rebels looks boring since Season first half of 1 mostly deals with Ezra's back-story to a degree. Second half picks up, and the fights get more serious, with Ezra learning a lot more of the Force (and brushing with the darkside.) Season 2 is going to be spent traveling the galaxy and trying to avoid Vader. So it does pick up later. ;)
     
    Docgeo and TrustyTrooper like this.
  11. jabberwalkie

    jabberwalkie Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Dec 2, 2014
    This seems to be something that comes up every now and again. Usually the conversation goes something like this:

    Poster 1: "TCW was great! I want it back now! They should cancel Rebels and bring back TCW!"

    Poster 2: "Did it start out as good as it finished? Or did it take awhile to build up to that point?"
     
    Darkslayer likes this.
  12. EECHUUTA

    EECHUUTA Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Registered:
    Mar 19, 2007
    I think people forgot (mostly) about the early clunky days of TCW, only remembering it from the better last couple of seasons. I think it's still too early for many fans to count this show as lower quality then TCW, since most shows I've seen seem to hit their stride after season 1. It's then afterwards whether a series usually proves if it can be a seller (and likely only then is it's allotted more funding, which improves things considerably.)
     
    jakobitis89 and jabberwalkie like this.
  13. Snokers

    Snokers Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jul 8, 2015

    [face_clown]
     
  14. jakobitis89

    jakobitis89 Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jan 27, 2015
    It does take a while to get going... but it does improve. It's actually quite different to TCW despite a similar art style, one running plot of Rebel cell vs Imperials instead of the scattershot mix up of politics, fighting, other stuff that TCW went for so if you are asking 'does it become TCW?' then no, no it doesn't. But it does get better once the Inquisitor shows up. And the finale is one of the best SW stories on the screen of all, for me.
     
    Docgeo likes this.
  15. TaradosGon

    TaradosGon Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Feb 28, 2003
    No, it's not worth watching IMO. I watch it out of habit. It's OK. There's potential. But it's not great. TCW in my opinion was the same way until the latter part of Season 3 (still hit and miss, but the hits were excellent, IMO). So I guess I'm just gambling that there will be a payoff as there was with TCW and that I'm not just wasting my time.

    The last few episodes of Season One were OK, and Siege of Lothal was pretty good. But I thought everything up until that point was boring.

    I don't care about Hera. I don't care about Sabine. I don't care about Zeb. Chopper is entertaining, but what's there really to say about him? In fact, a lot of this probably has to do with them taking a back seat to the Kanan-Ezra dynamic, when the whole Jedi thing was not something this era needed, IMO. I'd rather focus on characters like Sabine and Zeb and Hera and their impossible fight against the Empire than more Jedi vs. Sith (includes their Inquisitor underlings).

    I thought getting back to the OT era after so long in the PT era would be more exciting. But really, I'm just ready for something new. The Force Awakens has me excited (and I'm going spoiler free for this one), but the way they go about laying the foundation for the Rebel Alliance, lazy plot devices (Ezra and Zeb grab fetch some fruit), shoehorning of TCW characters, etc. just leaves much to be desired, IMO.
     
  16. Billy_Dee_Binks

    Billy_Dee_Binks Force Ghost star 4

    Registered:
    Mar 29, 2002
    Amazing show that's definitely worth your time. While I find myself preferring the PT-era and its stories, I would say that the script quality of Rebels is superior to a large amount of the TCW. TCW often focused too much on jumping back and forth between both factions being informed on what the enemy was planning to do. Not that that isn't part of every SW film, it just wasn't that engaging and in a show format got a bit repetitive. Rebels on the other hand has a more consistent flow to its storytelling, I feel.

    Not to mention, Rebels is the only current piece of SW that actually feels like it draws inspiration from the whole Saga, with a nice amount of PT references and cues. I'm actually more looking forward to new Rebels than TFA. Dave Filoni gets GL's vision.
     
    Kentoa, Docgeo, Danifae and 3 others like this.
  17. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Mar 4, 2011
    That's what I like more than TCW as well; the storytelling is far more consistent and continuous. Plus TCW only seemed to have good dialogue between Obi-Wan, Anakin and Ventress, with some additions from Ahsoka in earlier seasons. The dialogue in Siege of Lothal was mostly terrible but in the rest of the episodes, it has been pretty good, among all of the characters.
     
  18. jakobitis89

    jakobitis89 Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jan 27, 2015
    The entire first season seems to be setting up the second season to be the one where stuff actually happens I think (probably a great deal of this is Greg Weisman's influence, he's done similar before.) It's a whole season of setting up a status quo to be broken and standard expectations to be subverted. Problem is that it's not a particularly interesting status quo mostly. Standard bunch of idealistic, determined but not particularly deep rebels vs incompetent buffoon Imperials and stormtroopers who would lose in a fight to a troop of boy scouts with water pistols. The exceptions - most obviously Tarkin for the Imperials and Chopper the sociopathic droid for the Rebels really stick out. Things improve as they go along but we STILL know very little about Hera, Sabine and Chopper. Even Zeb has only a few lines of backstory and a rivalry with Kallus that was dropped in favour of Kanan vs Inquisitor pretty sharply (but will probably be back in S2.)

    Is it worth watching? Yes. Does it improve over time? Also yes. But if you're expecting/wanting twenty minutes a week of action and jokes then this probably isn't the show you're looking for. It's a slow burner in many ways and most certainly takes some time to really get going - but TCW took the best part of two seasons to really find it's feet too in fairness.
     
    darskpine10 likes this.
  19. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    May 21, 2008
    Just skip the first season and watch episode 1 from season 2.

    The problem with first season is that none of the major flaws get fixed over time, it even becomes worse.
     
  20. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

    Registered:
    Oct 28, 2014
    Not to take anything away from Rebels, considering I'm one to say the series did pick up beyond the Luminara ROTOM episode; but I just don't get the suggested bitterness towards the opening season of TCW. To me, the Malevolence arc from early in Season 1 was an attention-grabber itself. I got hooked early on.
     
  21. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Yeah, I don't get it either. I love season 1.
     
  22. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

    Registered:
    Oct 28, 2014
    But what were those "early clunky days" that you're referring to regarding TCW? I don't get it.
     
  23. Darth Wookiee

    Darth Wookiee Jedi Master star 3

    Registered:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Skip Fighter Flight and it's pretty good.
     
  24. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Jun 10, 2014
    I find Dark Horse's Star Wars: Dark Times and The Force Unleashed more entertaining and engaging than Rebels.
     
  25. EECHUUTA

    EECHUUTA Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Registered:
    Mar 19, 2007
    The political stuff involving Padme, Jar Jar's stupid antics and Bombad Jedi, and how the characters looked like they were carved out of pieces of wood.

    Edit: Looking at the date you joined (unless you were lurking for years) you might not have been here when the early seasons were discussed. [face_thinking]