ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in Episode VII

so... its meant to be ambiguous? RM? whos that? with the canon thing, isnt it meant to be what happen in the movies, TCW, Rebels, and new novels/comics coming out ? im not so sure some commentary is supposed to be taken as canon, but i am actually curious sooo.

hmm im not so sure luke is going to have his moment in this movie. sure, its up in the air.. but i think this is going to be the new heroes', Kylo's and Han's movie. then im sure Luke will get his moments.

 

strongly believe this is not even close to what happens. thats crazy talk. in no way would DISNEY or the people at the helm of the film let this happen. those, along with the ffan backlash. just nup, not even a possibility.

 

I hope Luke has more than just a cameo...

 

everyone's still misusing the term cameo lol.

when everyone sees the film they'll get it except for the ultra 'luke fans' who aren't really interested in the overall story.

edit: just remembered there was a warning last night to stop discussing that don't remember where but yeah don't ban me I'm an asset to this site. >_>

 

i, and im sure many others would not be okay with Luke not showing up in the first film of the ST. but, since we are aware of the new direction, the age of the actual actors to our fave characters, along with other situational/circumstantial stuff, im happy for Luke to at least appear in TFA, however small of an appearance it might be. the likely scenario is that he shows up and its a big build up. then we get a focus on him in ep8. you cant really be terribly angry at this. its also not really wasting an opportunity to work, and im sure if you were the director of TFA it wouldnt be a priority to shoehorn in someone just because you have a bias towards someone. however, yes, its just rumours so it could go either way.

 

Like I said, I don't think it was or was even meant to be ambiguous. It's all right there. As for RM, it is Rick McCallum, the Producer and Lucas' closest collaborator on the PT. I'm pretty sure the DVD commentary for each movie is about as official as it gets.

 

this is defs a possibility as well. Snoke is probably the second most kept secret (maybe even first, considering we have SOME rumours on luke)... so for all we know, this could very well be a twist where Rey is in fact in danger of being corrupted by Snoke, and Luke has to rush in to save her.

 

maybe not supposed to be, but it certainly IS. i mean, you have the guy thats trying to persuade another guy to swap allegiances/manipulate him into succumbing to his fear of loss (padme). i think him telling him a bull**** story is certainly on the table.
and thanks for describing the guy (RM), that sort of backs up the claim, tho, if it wasnt IN the movie, im not so sure its canon. its like reshoots/what ifs or the certain characters dying that ended up not getting the chop (theres at least 2) on screen, you cant say they did die, because in the special features it happened. its sort of very ambiguous if you ask me, but you seem very concrete in your position..

 

this is that 'concept art' (don't know where it's from) that I like a lot btw. I'd only seen it smaller before so at this size it's a bit different from what I was imagining but yeah, I'd love if this is what it looks like when we meet luke. rey walks up the steps to this kind of creepy room and we're all anticipating it, not knowing what to expect, and when she walks in we have the blue and red combo (representing internal moral conflict within luke but it's ambiguous). she angrily throws the lightsaber up the steps towards luke's throne (representing his status as a jedi master, but there's something somewhat fragile and run down about his surroundings, representing vulnerability, solitude, and maybe even self-doubt), and starts questioning him. luke speaks somewhat frantically, explaining everything that has happened, before revealing his face. the audience, like rey, is surprised to see what luke is really like. but rey knows that she and luke need each other, and that luke must train her and come out, and that she must go down this path to do the right thing. so she steps outside and looks out into the ocean as the music swells. there's something mournful and hopeful about it at the same time. then end credits.

that's how this scene should play out and if they get the contrast right this will go perfect with the whole 'mystery luke' thing, because when we finally see him it gives us more questions than answers. until the next film.

 

Sorry, but I hope this isn't what we're going to get...

 

what are you hoping for? legit asking not being sarcastic or w/e I like seeing other people's ideas.

I think if rey literally just angrily throws the lightsaber up the steps that'd be the ultimate fulfilment of the 'danger of nostalgia' theme that they may or may not have going on. we spend the whole film focusing on this lightsaber (which is really cool), watch it go from person to person, watch finn make a cool last stand with it, watch rey pick it up and 'accept her destiny', but at the end of the day it's a violent weapon with a complicated history that we idolise for maybe the wrong reasons, so she just tosses it to the person who sent it out in the first place.

I'm over thinking everything lol is this what you're supposed to do when you go into 'film making mode'?

 

If this is the ending scene in the film, and if this is the first time we set eyes on Luke except for a short flashback, I want it to be an awesome, joyous and hopeful moment. I don't want an angry Rey and a "wildman" Luke. I want to leave the theatre eager for the next film, not annoyed by the controversial ending. I know we're not going to have a lot of our questions about Luke answered by the end of TFA, but I don't want the ending to add even more questions and concerns about him.

My ideal ending for TFA, if all the current MSW rumors are correct, would be for Rey to say one word, " Father," as she hands Luke the lightsaber.... And I would also like to find out that Luke isn't alone on skellig Michael, that he has been training some Jedi during his absence. I realize we may not find out about those others until episode Viii, but if things could go the way I would like them to go, that would be what I would want: to find out that Rey is Luke's daughter, and that Luke hasn't been idle during his missing decade.

 

this!
im quite sure the people that are begging for Luke out-rightly creating an Order are just EU fan boys who cant accept an alternate way of the same thing happening - a new jedi order. whether or not it actually turns out to be true or not is all up in the air. either way, it should be remember that the new film seems to be about getting to luke. why? well i think thats obvious. theres dark side users around, and a light sabre that was his, being chased by a dark side user.. by the end of the film (all of this is just by the MSW thing, and i understand is not FACT, but is what we have to go off for the time being) Rey meets Luke. so we are left with luke doing what he was told to do by Yoda (if he hasnt tried already - the rumoured attempted new jedi order, notwithstanding) and thus fulfilling Yoda's dying wishes. how on earth is that a bad ending to Luke's character?

 

Luke should have trained several Jedi by now at the least. It doesn't have to be a new formal order, but there should be Jedi in the galaxy somewhere, not just the first padawans he takes on.

 

yeh for me, im the least interested in Leia, though, i think she has to important to the films going forward. she is now the leader, correct? brother to the only jedi in the galaxy. thats a pretty big position.
Luke, clearly looks great. Han, i share your sentiments on,

 

I don't think there was any doubt about Ford, who's been consistently on screen in the last decades. Even in his crap movies, he's always looked like a good authoritative older man. Leia was always going to be a difficult transition to pull off, not only because of how different Carrie Fisher's persona is these days (and she's really gone far into the eccentric zone) but cause audiences have always had a harder time seeing women age than men.

 

nice response with good points. :y:

I agree that the scene should leave the audience eager for the next film, and I agree that if rey is luke's daughter, that we should find out for sure here (that would be part of the exchange between the two). for me at least, given the context of the rest of the film, it would be more compelling for us to see a more 'mysterious' luke who is a layered, complicated character rather than just the heroic father, because it sets up the development that we will witness in the next film.

as for luke training people, I don't want any other jedi there just because it could easily distract from a scene that should just be about these two characters. I'm down for a few more jedi in the next film but they should be introduced differently. nobody is going to assume that luke hasn't been doing anything. we know just from the other scenes in the film that he's been in hiding/on the run, and did run a jedi academy at some point. but even if it is a bit of a self-imposed exile, that creates a lot of interesting questions you could explore. what if luke is really disillusioned by all the fighting and has become a pacifist? is he justified in being a pacifist when people are in danger? is there any way to really keep everyone safe? what if he feels that he is endangering people by coming out of hiding? what is the right thing to do in this scenario? (etc. which is what I've been saying about 'grey areas' of the force. almost everything isn't as simple as 'good vs evil' and this is a half-decent example of that)

 

It took 10~ years to train The Chosen One, one of the most powerful Jedi ever. He had Obi-Wan Kenobi as his master and a host of other Jedi, some of which were the greatest Jedi to ever serve the order to help teach him. Now, you expect Luke, who was primarily self-trained to have had trained several Jedi in 30 years all by himself? This isn't the EU and thank the Maker for that.

 

What does power have to do with it? Just because you have power doesn't mean it is any easier to be taught. He was a bit arrogant wasn't he? If he doesn't want to be taught that power is useless.
Thought he could rival Yoda in a lightsaber battle and thought Obi-Wan was holding him back and what not. Palpatine was interfering as well. The odds of something like that happening again are slim.
I'm certain that most of the Jedi that Luke find will be more well tempered than Anakin was.
And it's not like the Jedi are going to be on the level of the PT Jedi Order or anything. Kind of impossible. Just get it started or something.
You have a point about Luke self-teaching himself though.
Though do you have to dig at the EU? Yes it was started before the PT was created and we know that you don't like it.

 

I like a lot of the EU. Most notably HttE, DFR and TLC. I was especially fond of the X-Wing series, Millennium Falcon and Kenobi and despite the bad rap that the Jedi Academy Trilogy got, I enjoyed it very much.. That said, I am still super-glad that this sequel trilogy is going it's own route. I don't want them wasting time making movies about stories that I have already read. It's time for new adventures.

 

A few responses to this.

1. Judged within her general age group (as she should be), Carrie looks great.


2. Mark Hamill isn't the looker he used to be either. Neither is Ford. Why should Fisher be held to a different standard?

3. Since when does a woman need to be a "looker" in order to be a compelling character in a film? Some of the best female performances are turned in by older women. Helen Mirren, Judie Dench. I could go on. In the photo above, Fisher reminds me of Madeleine Albright mixed with a little Golda Meir. Smart and powerful. Badass, really.

4. Don't mess with Carrie Fisher.

 

She does

 

Maybe this has been mentioned before about this concept art but the "female" character on the right is Leia in Boushh disguise.
They probably used old concept arts and photo's.