PT In your head canon, Did Darth Maul die in TPM?.

HE IS DEAD...........IT'D be impossible to live after having your body cut and half. He wouldn't even have a vital male organ after losing his waist and everything down,lol.

 

Ah, but long enough to be given his cybernetic torso.

 

The films don't get enough love anymore, imo.

 

That is a strawman argument, I didn't say I dislike magic, I said I dislike magic being separate from the force in Star Wars. The force is Star War's equivalent of magic which is what the films presents and what I prefer. I know the nightsisters are portrayed as force users in the spinoff books. However, in TCW they are portrayed as magic users instead of force users which I found off-putting. I am glad Maul's back story isn't in the films, his character is better without one.

 

Maul is infamous for being little more than a walking toy commercial in the Phantom Menace who looks cool, kills Qui-Gon, and then dies in an extremely anti-climactic fashion. He's an incredible case of wasted potential.

So when the writers for Clone Wars actually did something interesting with the character by bringing him back and giving him a brother and some motive beyond "I am evil and you will all buy my action figure", I don't see how that's a problem, especially when George Lucas presumably approved Maul's resurrection with his involvement in the show.

From my impressions, the Nightsisters' magic is the Force. They simply use it in a different manner from the Jedi and Sith.

And Maul's "character" is basically non-existent in the movies. Beyond his cool design and spectacular fighting skills (Courtesy of Ray Park), he is just a generic bad guy. That's one of the reasons why killing him off at the end of the Phantom Menace was a bad idea; imagine if Darth Vader died at the end of a New Hope.

 

it is the force.

 

Not at all. He completely fulfilled his potential for stories as required in the movie saga.

Actually Lucas was the main "writer" for TCW. It didn't have his approval. It was his idea that was executed. That is how TCW worked.

That was the point though. Vader is better hence he survived.

Obi-Wan defeats Maul and is "defeated" by Vader.

I never will understand why anyone thinks that Maul being defeated was the wrong thing. It's very clearly the best choice of all the things that could be done.

 

Because we've already Vader right ?

 

My impression is TCW portrayed the nightsisters as magic users, but I would prefer them being force users. Even as force users they are problematic as they contradict the films since they can reanimate life to a certain extent which goes against Darth Plaguous, however you spell his name.

I disagree that Maul is a walking walking toy commercial or a wasted potential in TPM. Having Maul survive diminishes Obi-Wan victory and character. Maul didn't require an overly extensive character like in TCW, he was simply an enforcer and right hand man for Sids. His characterization was simple and elegant, TCW again tried to fix what wasn't broken. The only reason Maul was in TCW was simple, a market tie in with re-release of TPM since Lucas is a smart businessman. Sometimes films can over characterized its characters which results in bogging the story down making it overly long and can even lead to character decay, Peter Jackson films often suffer from this, Lucas is good at preventing it and keeping the pace up.

 

He is dead.

 

It's really weird that some people saying Maul should be dead because of Obi-Wan, or because of Vader, what got to do anything at all ? Just because you like some character that doesn't mean you should make to disregard others, that is exactly going on here.

I am not saying; thinking that bringing Maul back is a wrong thing, everyone has their own opinion, I am just saying if you think Maul should be dead just because of some character you love, then you are just making this personal, nothing more. I don't have to like Obi-Wan or Vader more than Darth Maul, everyone has own opinion, and Star Wars is a very vast universe where people should choose their favorite characters just as easily.

 

I liked TPM Maul. He was silent, deadly, and served his purpose.

I never cared nor wanted to see him again.

 

It isn't so much about like other characters or not. I liked Maul too, but how he was brought back dimished him really IMO. I like Tarkin too but I don't want to see him brought back as a cyborg. Both fulfilled their purposes in the story well as the films are. I understand why people would want more of Maul but I don't want more of him at the expense of the story of the films.

 

Personally think Maul is dead in TPM. Would have been good to see him in action on a series BEFORE that death. Unlike other parts in the movies like Luke getting his hand cut off, Anakin getting his hand cut off in AOTC, Mace getting his hand cut off, where there was ambiguity, with Maul, he was sliced in the torso. He is as dead as Dooku.

Luke was in enough pain with just his hand. He only survived after receiving medical attention from the Falcon.
Mace was in pain, terrible pain. He might have lived, as it is ambiguous. (Though he would have had to been carbon frozen and woken up in Episode 8 as it is unlikely a Jedi like Mace would have sat out the OT period). Luke survivied his fall in ESB and Anakin and Obi Wan have demonstrated how Jedi can control their fall.

Maul was cut IN TWO. His body would be in total shock. Loss of blood, loss of blood pressure. He would most likely pass out quickly and die of lack of blood, vital organs, etc. It's not just a hand, it's his whole body. Cauterization would not help him unlike the former mentioned cases. In the same way that it wouldn't have helped Dooku.

As for Maul being strong in the Force, he is not as strong as an Anakin. Anakin survived in ROTS. But he was about to die - Obi Wan left him for dead on the banks of the lava river. He only survived because he received near immediate MEDICAL ATTENTION from the Emperor and his shuttle team and even then, ONLY after being given a LIFE SUSTAINING SUIT. But Anakin is the CHOSEN ONE.

Maul is not. He would not have survived. We could have seen a clone of Maul yes. But not the character from TPM. It also ruins the point that Obi Wan was able to defeat him eventually.

Also part of Maul's menace was his silence. That was ruined somewhat in TCW.

 

The thing with magic is that it is an offshoot of the Force. Something Darth Sidious speaks of in "Sacrifice."

SIDIOUS: "Master Yoda has come to Moraband, although why, I do not know. We shall, however, use the strong bond that once existed between you and your Master to allow us to see things that we otherwise could not."

DOOKU: "How can this be done, Master?"

SIDIOUS: "It is an old art of the dark side. Now, hold out your hand, Apprentice. I need but a drop for the ritual to begin."

 

The point is that Maul failed and Sidious turned his sights on to Anakin.

Like many things about Star Wars the movies tell one story and lots of other things go on in-between them.

This has, is and will happen on an ongoing basis.

Would it really make those people who seem to so desperately wanted Maul around for more movies to have him barely appear as an enforcer in AOTC and get killed there?

There simply was no place for him in the story of the movies but there was in TCW.

 

And also in Son of Dathomir comic, Mother Talzin said that Sidious learned the dark magics of dathomir from herself, and combined it with his dark side powers.

 

I was initially nothing but skeptical when they announced Maul was coming back, but they handled it so well I have no complaints.

 

That is a pretty good explanation.

 

Lucas even said that he designed it as a plot point.

"After Darth Sidious' first apprentice is killed, he has to come up with a new apprentice, and rather than coming up with some baby that he trains from birth, which is what he should have done--well, he shouldn't have gotten himself in a position of getting his apprentice killed anyways--he's decided to make his move, so he needs somebody that was already trained. The point is to set up that he turned this one Jedi, so that he could turn another Jedi. It has to be set up that way."

--George Lucas, AOTC DVD Commentary.

So what he was doing was showing how Palpatine could adapt, but in doing so was eventually setting up his demise. He also felt it was important to show that Palpatine turning Jedi was an alternative that the Sith could use and not uncommon. And served as part of the parallels between Anakin and Luke.

 

if you haven't seen these they're pretty great. the canon comic after the events of tcw.

 

Agreed. TCW was an infinitely better place for him because it essentially allowed us to follow him for an hour or two as the main protagonist of his own story. Obviously there would have been no room for such a thing in the films.

Lucas basically proved his own point when he brought Maul back. As wonderful as his arc in TCW was, Maul was still ultimately just a minor concern. Lucas killed him off in Episode I so people wouldn't have unrealistic expectations for him in the next two prequels. But the prequel trilogy was long since finished by the time these Maul episodes came out, so Lucas no longer had to worry about that issue.

 

Darth Maul lived in my opinion .

 

You know what, if Maul gets to come back, then there's at least 4 other characters that should come back too.

 

Why is that ?