ST We Must Stop with the Mary Sue Putdowns

That is the force power that allowed him to pilot. He knew what to do before it happened.
BTW, i dont remember EP1 that much, didnt he crash in every other race?
So it wasnt like he was winning left and right.

How about doing it like the OT where Luke gets a hand of lines explaining stuff?
How about that?
And, yes, it would be cool to know how she learn droid, wookie, etc, because that build character.

Says the movies. The movies have not shown force sensitive people pulling out powers left and right with no training.

Anakin being a mechanic was fine because he worked in a shop doing that.
Rey is fine having some knowledge with machines. But she pulls off more stuff outside of that with no info as to why.

If character building never mattered why was it included in the other movies?

Why do you continue to compare last movie of the OT to the first movie of the NT?
The problem with Rey is the amount of skill she shows in hours. Hours.
This is why some people have a problem.

 

I gladly would, if like I said, I don't have the stamina to engage in another essay long comment followed by essay long comment chain at the moment lol. theyre valuable for sure! I am just too exhausted still to jump right back in at this very moment lol.

 

Copy and paste then. I ain't writing it again.

 

Exactly. If she was a strapping 22-year-old desert bad-ass man who is heavily hinted to be a Skywalker, this thread doesn't exist.

Lets be real. Search your feelings haters. You know it to be true.

The real problem is that this movie touched a sacred cow for some people by having a girl humiliate the lead male villain. If it was a man doing it, there would be no problem with it it'd be all "Well he's totally Luke's son, so it totally makes sense that he'd be super powerful with the Force, his meeeedichlorians must be sky high just like Anakin was. And he's a total bad ass living in the desert by himself, who knows what else he's learned. Can't wait for VIII and the rematch with Kylo Ren"

etc. etc. etc.

 

ya i'll do that, wait here.

 

No Anakin does multiple things in the Phantom Menace. He blows up a freaking Trade Federation ship. He wins a pod race at 600 miles per hour. He builds a protocol droid. He is so powerful with the Force that Qui-Gon senses a disturbance in the Force just by landing on the planet. At NINE YEARS OLD apparently.

This is not "oh well he did one little thing".

It doesn't even make sense if you are that powerful in the Force, just by using this logic, it makes sense that it would manifest in many different ways, not just in one area.

 

You bleed sarcasm.

You don't even have to do that, just read it in the comment box.

You're right, but in SWs the miracles always felt earned.Except the STs shooting ability. That made no sense. And Anakin's "trench run."

anyway Rey's issues aren't enough to make her a bad character--Daisy did too good of a job. It's just going to make her harder to write for in VIII.

 

So most of us that don't like Rey are just bigots? No real film making problems with this movie. We're just bigots. Its bigoted of us to not just fall in love with a Jedi Knight who gets all her Jedi experience with ZERO training? I don't see how, I'd have said the same thing if Finn suddenly was a Jedi Knight without training.

 

It's just that in this day and age, a person can instantly find 10,000 reviews of a movie on youtube or the internet easily. This is the biggest movie of all time, it's bound to attract more attention than some niche books. Most people haven't heard the term before, so they think it just surrounds Rey. It doesn't. I bet a lot of people haven't read reviews of novels or movies before this.

I can't speak for everyone, but I have definitely made the same critics for both male and female characters in a variety of movies and novels. This is Star Wars, anything positive or negative is going to explode on the internet.

 

Outside of her Force abilities, every other one of her skills and abilities are logical and stem from her life as a scavenger.

 

Relax bro, go see the film again and don't look for negatives.

Enjoy the movie, relax in your chair and stop thinking about things like how the hell Rey learned Wookie my god that is nitpicking.

 

Not any harder than any standard hero.

The writers for VIII have it easy to be honest ... TFA gives them not one, not two, but three likable lead characters who have a ton of room to grow and develop and already have fairly intimate, believable relationships with them.

The prequels meanwhile were still trying to establish Anakin and Obi-Wan as competent friends at the beginning of Episode III, lol. The first two prequels really failed that trilogy so very badly.

Even though Rey's archetype is similar to Neo in the Matrix, she is no where near that powerful either, she's not able to do anything in TFA that a moderately powerful Jedi wouldn't be able to do. It's not like she bent space/time in TFA to dodge a laser blast or beat Kylo Ren with arm behind her back.

 

True. True.

But being surrounded by something doesn't necessarily mean you'd be best at it.

 

I think some of you need a laugh (even most have already seen this). Remember this is all for fun:

https://www.facebook.com/CollegeHumor/videos/10153401940352807/

 

Well true...this specific thread wouldn't exist.

When people critic male characters, no one cares. But female ones are untouchable.

If Rey was male, yes I would say the same thing. And I'm not alone.I have when referencing Superman, Batman, Bella from twilight, Anakin skywalker, Jacen, Jania, Mara Jade, Anakin Solo, Ben Skywalker, etc.

From 2009:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.136285-Most-Famous-Gary-Mary-Stu

 

When Anakin was 9..
-He won a highly competitive podrace, a sport that allegedly is too dangerous for any human besides him,
-He could read cards using the force without any prior trying
-He blew up the Separatists center of command with zero experience flying any type of ship.

All of this when he was freaking 9 years old.

 

Its hard to laugh when it feels like youve been given a 4th prequel for christmas

 

A little harder. That's what separated SWs from earlier Space Operas. The characters FELT grounded. So when you learned that there was a powerful mystical energy field one could tap into it had a huge impact.

And While Finn has room for much improvement. . .the kid sucked at everything except sweating, God bless him, the only way Rey can improve is to get more force powers.

We don't know much about her as a person apart from how capable she is.

 

Yeah but he wasn't a girl

 

I would "like" this because it made me chuckle

but i can't because i like the prequels...

 

And if Anakin beat an adult trained in the force in a lightsaber duel we all wouldve said, "Yeah, right!" lol

 

You do realize you guys are comparing Rey to Space Jesus, right? The only other comparable character to her is Force Messiah?

Think about that.

Not only that but people have been complaining about Anakin for 16 years in spite of it.

 

Kylo Ren was not trained, or prepared to fight a force sensitive with a saber, neither was Rey. The fact that Rey did better suggests she's stronger in the force even if not properly trained.
This is a problem with the villain, but not necessarily Rey... It's not necessarily a problem with the villain either as we have NO idea what to expect from the next two episodes and if Kylo will become more powerful, or better trained as time goes on... or if he will even remain a villain...

The emperor didn't even exist until ESB.... There could be another villain further down the road.

 

You're going with the premise that she'd not been a prior child-in-training. Sorry, can't say the P word. Or the Y word. They are too stupid and not worthy of anything resembling OT or ST.