ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in Episode VII

Hmmm, but it was Kylo who introduced a new force ability in TFA, with freezing a blaster shot and freezing Rey, so where did he learn it? Why are they afraid of Luke and the Jedi temple stuff?

 

Disagree. Luke looked awesome at the end of TFA. It's all down to perception; I expected to love it and saw something amazing, you were pessimistic and saw a broken man. Some irony there, I think. Maybe if you'd been optimistic and let them tell their story without your own previously-decided opinions, you would have viewed it differently.

I've said it and I'll continue to say it. Luke's human. There's only so much a human being can take before he has to get away. Luke, it seems, lost everything he had and he blamed himself for Han and Leia's son falling. So of course he'd want to get away for a while. And we don't even know what he's doing. If he did find the Jedi Temple, perhaps he's been studying the Force all this time.

It seems Kylo is the "Last of the Knights of Ren" (although there's some debate on whether Snoke says "Last" or "Leader"). Luke can take on Snoke, but he needs to train Rey (and maybe Finn?) taking on Kylo and whoever else is in the way. Luke will have help–Rey, Finn, Poe, and the Resistance.

 

Snoke definately said 'you are the master of the KoR'.

 

I think it is ridiculous that we are told now by the lovers of movie (and the rumors before it) after seeing movie ourselves (2 times for me) and not liking it to ignore the ACTUAL dialogue of the movie. Yes they may retroactively change what happened to Luke and his mindset in VIII but I think the implication was crystal clear in the movie as both Han and Leia implicate that Luke abandoned everyone when he went away. And while it's a subjective opinion he looked like a broken down man to me in the movie. As I was much as I did not want this ending at all it was made all the more worse by the look on his face.

I have said a couple times now I hope Rian Johnson somehow salvages what I've seen in this movie.

 

If Obi-wan was so great, why did he wait 20 years to teach Luke? In fact, why did he wait until the very moment when Luke sought him? Why did Obi-wan look so old and rundown in ANH? If Yoda thought Luke was too old to begin training, why didn't they teach him sooner - as was their Jedi custom? Why did Yoda act crazy when he first met Luke? That was soooo not how a Jedi Master would act. Why didn't either of them face off against Darth Vader just after ROTS? Why did both of them cowardly run off? Especially after all their friends just died. Why did they hide for 20 years? Why did they just let the Empire take over? Why did they wait so long. The time for Obi-wan and Yoda to have made a difference would have been 20 years earlier, when the Empire wasn't as strong, when planets haven't been destroyed, and when Vader could have been saved sooner. Couldn't they see that it was obviously Palpatine the entire time?

Have I made my point?

 

There is just a difference, Obi-Wan/Yoda had no military souces anymore, while Luke still has his sister's resistance and the New Republic is also still around. Also the FO didn't take over the whole galaxy like the Empire did in ROTS. So Luke's situation is not comparable and desperate as it was for Obi-Wan/Yoda.

 

Sure it is. My point was that everything Child is viewing pessimistically towards Luke, is the same thing Obi-wan and Yoda dealt with that we all (apparently) love and are okay with.

And Obi-wan (in his Jedi prime) had Yoda as a backup. He just defeated At-his-most-powerful-Anakin and then ... nothing. Why would Obi-wan and Yoda not go take out the both of them. Now...I know the reasons and they make sense to me. But the question is for those who now somehow don't want to allow the same affordances towards Luke, who view it all as supreme failure in character writing, who can't stand that Luke may have failed, that he got older, more alone, and went into exile. Especially when we don't have all the answers and haven't seen where ST Luke goes.

 

Would have loved to hear someone, Han, maybe Leia, say Luke knows his presence jeopardizes us all. I should have listen to him Han... I just knew I was losing our son, I felt it was our only hope, but what could Luke do, his heart and emotions for his family is so strong the fear pulls him to the dark side, it's what pulled our father to the dark side.

Not just....we are looking for him, we have no idea why he left.

Luke may not be, but was portrayed as failing, then hiding, not as being betrayed and then searching for answers and preparing for battle.

 

I wouldn't say Luke was broken in TFA. He clearly looked distressed and there is obviously something weighing very heavily on his mind. But, he is on that planet for a reason, and I like the idea that he has exiled himself to the ancient site of the first Jedi temple to learn how to balance the force within himself. He has concluded that he has to master light and dark without being consumed by the dark side. This is the way he will ultimately be able to defeat the Sith once and for all and bring lasting peace to the Galaxy, with grey Jedi acting as the guardians. Grey Jedi, able to accept fear and hatred but not turn to the dark side.

I expect the ST will be about the ambiguous space between dark and light, good and evil.

 

It's so sad he didn't really have much of a part to play.

 

Evil Cyborg Luke is finally dead.

 

never say never... hey maybe since the lightsaber was found on cloud city so was luke's hand
and snoke is the evil clone of luke. machine parts in places where he has lost natural pieces in battles

 

Luke seems to be suffering a serious lack of faith and I think that will be explored in the next film.

 

You saw him for 20 seconds.

 

This just might be the greatest post I've read on this forum ever. To bad it can only receive 1 like.

 

Damn. I love that look.

 

Discuss the topic and not your opinion of other members of the forum.

 

"Luke leading his new Jedi Order with the Republic to finish off the Empire for good?" That sounds A LOT like a "rehash" or the PT. You know, where the Old Jedi Order with the Republic fought to destroy the evil Sith and Separatists once and for all. Oh and that didn't go so well for them as I recall.

 

Fine then create a new villain....but the main point is, the Jedi should have returned to their roles as Guardians of Peace and Justice even if it was only in its infancy.

No that doesn't mean There's a Jedi at every street corner in the GFFA ready to sing kumbaya every evening either.

Sids and Vader were the ones who had the chance to stamp out the Jedi before they could get on their feet again.....And they Blew It...Big Time.....(well according to TFA I guess they didn't all that much)

For as much as the GFFA paid a price for Obi-Wan and Yodas defeat after Episode III....the pendulum should have been allowed to swing back a bit, in our heroes favor for Sids/Vaders failure.....and these new Villians should have had to fought Tooth and nail for every square inch of that GFFA come ST time.

 

Well, I think that's the arc of the saga. Vader being redeemed is the pendulum swinging back. We never even really saw the Jedi as the Guardians of Peace and Justice in the PT. We saw them when dogma and corruption set in. So what we're building to is the return of light in the GFFA. The Jedi will come when the people need them, want them, and trust them again. Luke may have failed the first go at creating a new order...but let's face it, that's not as easy as opening up a Pizza Hut franchise. We now have both sides of Vader's legacy growing, training and will soon vie for control of the GFFA.

 

We'll have to find another place and time to duke it out about the "Great corruption" of the Jedi in the PT.....

As for the rest....we just disagree...I feel that that battle was largely fought in the OT....Turning Luke into a exiled hermit and another psycho Skywalker wrecking the Galaxy...seems superfluous to me after the OT.

I've seen how a Skywalker family feud can wreck a galaxy already. And it bothers me that they think that is the only story worth telling with Skywalkers......and even more so that all other Jedi,essentially, have to be wiped out to tell it.

 

Its not rehash, it is the more logical progression from where we left off in ROTJ. Instead they went Game of Thrones on the OT3 to recreate the OT dynamic.

 

Okay, so VIII has a few scenes with Luke as we last saw him, before Skywalker opts to cut his hair a little (though I did like the long hair in TFA, too).

You know, he just decides to clean himself up a bit after coming out of isolation. No biggie.



Anyway, as far as how I'd ultimately like Luke to look, going forward? I guess I've pretty much always envisioned an older Master Luke with a beard. But I'd maybe trim it up a bit.

I guess just gimme this guy:...wearing whatever is GFFA-appropriate from among the Spring, "Wise and Powerful Leader" line of apparel.

Arm him with a green lightsaber, slap a "Do Not Kill" sign on his back and we're in business.

 

Like I warned you guys/girls who love Luke Skywalker.
Hamill already shot a bunch of scenes on Skellig Island for Ep VIII. And has now shaved off his beard and cut his hair short.
He's gonna get killed off early in Ep VIII imo, Kylo tracks Rey down there, has a duel with Luke and strikes him down dead.
They'll turn him into Rey's force-ghost, and the new SW will move on with Rey and Kylo.

Yes/No?