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ST The relationship between Finn and Rey. SEE FIRST POST WARNING

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Devizz, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. MilesEdgeworth

    MilesEdgeworth Jedi Knight star 3

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    That's a very fair statement. They've only known each other for a week so it's not an epic romance or anything yet. Heck, I wouldn't even say that it's necessary that they get together. But I will say that their relationship, whatever it winds up being will be the catalyst for the future events of this series.
     
  2. Chelsey

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    Exactly! It's clear that they will play a huge part in the story. I think they will eventually go down the road of romance, because that's how Disney rolls. Maybe they'll surprise me, but Disney is fairly predictable in terms of romantic relationships. Personally, I like what they've done so far. I think starting their relationship with an easy and natural friendship is a good way to go. If they were a "romance" in this movie, it probably would have been forced. They've haven't really known each other for long. I think their "feelings" for one another are very subtle.


    In fact, I liked the potential symbolism of the light saber fight between Rey and Kylo. Rey has the upper hand, and she has this look in her eyes like shes ready to finish him off. The earth parts and Rey and Kylo are separated. This seems to snap Rey out of whatever she was feeling, because she runs to Finn.

    Honestly, I don't think Rey is going to be able to fight the dark side as easily as Luke did. She probably has a lot of resentment for what was done to her. Heck, I think she would have more reason to feel that way she does than Kylo. She was, essentially, abandoned. We don't know the reasoning, but she was still left alone. Luke, at least, had his uncle and aunt. Leia had the General and his wife. Luke and Leia actually didn't have a bad alternative life. Luke was poor, but he had love. Rey never truly experiences that, which is kinda sad.

    I don't know what Kylo's deal is, but I'm wondering if it will have to do with jealously and insecurity. Anakin had those traits. He never felt he was given a shot to prove himself. That he was being held back.
     
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  3. Lord-Draco

    Lord-Draco Jedi Master star 4

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    Daisy and John agrees!

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  4. alex8991

    alex8991 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Here we go again, I'm trolling because there were signs they may not end up romantic and I am a troll. I've said I don't want them to be romantic. I would have been fine with it if they kissed at the end of this film then the next time they meet its established no need to devote further time. Also I don't like what it would do to Finn as a character. That's my opinion and I am entitled to it.

    Also casting a black and female lead is not taboo.In fact they would have been criticized if they didn't cast anyone of color. Nobody has been able to give me a big budget film that has featured a black man and white woman romantically. There is a reason, read the Digital Spy article it breaks it down well.
     
  5. Lord-Draco

    Lord-Draco Jedi Master star 4

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    Alex, you are stuck on this idea that just because it has never happened....that it will NEVER happen. People once said we (United States) would never have a black president and look what happened. You seem to not understand the concept of progress as you are stuck in this "old era" way of thinking. The white heroine falling for the black guy on a big budget movie may never have happened, before, but that does not mean it WONT ever happen and if it is to ever happen, it will be with Star Wars, a brand that is accepted by people OTHER than just white males.

    We get it, you don't want them to be romantic and you are using this theory that because it has never been done before that it will never be done. Well, sorry to put it to you but the seeds were planted in EP7. You can either be miserable or continue to believe your own theory that because it has never been done before that it won't ever be done.

    While you continue to do that, we in this thread will all celebrate the idea of a Finn/Rey romance.

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  6. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    And If Finn/Rey does happen and Rey is indeed Luke's daughter that means Finn would finally have a last name.
     
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  7. seventhbeacon

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    Tastic!
     
  8. Ruffmeian

    Ruffmeian Jedi Master star 3

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    I've seen the movie twice now and tried to focus more on their interactions the second time.

    It could be a romantic pull from Finn- not really sure what I felt from Rey. I don't really think she knows what she's feeling though either, after being isolated for so long.

    I don't think they have to be romantically involved. In Harry Potter, for instance, I feel the strongest friendship was between Hermione and Harry and they never had romantic feelings for each other. That's what made them so perfect and true for each other. And they symbolized a lot as a "pairing" in HP. I think Rey and Finn, no matter if romantically involved, or friendship, will be a significant couple in the entire series.


    Also, John Boyega and Daisy Ridley are so adorable together. But I think they're both kinda adorable with everyone in the cast- some people just have that charisma!
     
  9. StarWarsFan91

    StarWarsFan91 Force Ghost star 4

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    I just see a good man tell another man that he is a good man. I find it stupid when people read to much into a scene. Similar to how if someone sees Rey kissing Finn's forehead as "OMG she digs him". Now if he said, "Besides being handsome, your also a good man". You would have a point.

    Could the pilot be gay? Maybe, but that scene does not imply it.
     
  10. Nanosoft

    Nanosoft Jedi Knight star 3

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    It was such a sweet surprise to see how they interacted in this movie.

    The call-sheet/MSW spoilers told us the plot, but we never really knew how these character were going to actually act, and how things would feel. Low and behold, Finnrey is already a dynamic duo, even if there isn't more than friendship, it's already great to see them together on screen.

    Yup.

    I actually think that this could come into play. They make a really big deal out of the fact that FN-2187 has no real name. Now he has a first name, but no last name.

    This is a Skywalker Saga...not a Dameron Saga....not a Solo Saga.

    Of course, we don't know Rey's ancestry, so this could all be mute. Hell, who knows, maybe Luke has another kid out there somewhere.

    Actually, the scene was in the movie.

    In the novel, they meet after R2 finds Luke. There is a little celebration with people just grabbing everyone.

    In the movie, the celebration is briefly shown. Poe high-fives the heavyset pilot or whatever. They don't show Poe/Rey interacting.

    I feel like you're being a little presumptuous about what Pablo stated in regarding to this scene anyways. He was asked whether they met, he said that scene was in the script...that's it. We don't know the extent of the script meeting, don't know if it played out similarly to the novel, etc.

    https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/678705890602577920

    You also keep avoiding the fact that when asked what Finn/Rey is supposed to be, he gets *extremely* coy about it.

    The fact that it was cut HAS to be more compelling than the fact that it was ever written.

    At one point, Poe was meant to die in this movie. Oscar Isaac recently confirmed this. That probably means that his character was never written with any long term plans, certainly not with Rey. I honestly won't be surprised if Poe dies in one of the next two movies. Finn and Rey are clearly in this for the long haul though.

    In regards to your continual argument about race. Look, regardless of what YOU saw, many people read into Finnrey as being the start of a romance in this movie. Others saw friends. Most probably didn't care either way. The point is that...they have already taken a pretty big leap, as far as social issues are concerned. I would say that Rey kissing Finn, reaching to hug him, asking him not to leave, him asking her if she had a boyfriend....these moments were already *significantly* more intimate and flirtatious than what the average interaction between bm/wf in movies, and the fact that they are both so young makes it even more noticeable.

    You're making it seem like if they "go there", that this will be some giant leap for the audience to accept, as though people didn't just watch an entire movie centered on the relationship between the characters. Like her promising to see him again wasn't clearly foreshadowing...them seeing each other again.

    They've already taken the leap. The audience has already accepted it. The actors/actresses have already accepted it. If Finnrey happens, it may get another bull**** hashtag, but that'll be it. Most people just want a good SW movie.
     
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  11. JediAce1

    JediAce1 Force Ghost star 5

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    was it a week? I got the impression that the movie took place over the course of 3 days.

    Attack on Jakku - Friday
    From Rey's introduction to the lightsaber fight - Saturday
    Rey meets Luke - Sunday
     
  12. seventhbeacon

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    I was under the impression it takes time to travel through Hyperspace, especially when going great distances. Movies can be notoriously bad at presenting us with a false sense of quickness and passage of time.
     
  13. Nanosoft

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    "I've never met a Resistance fighter before"
     
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  14. JediAce1

    JediAce1 Force Ghost star 5

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    IDK about that. When Han makes the jump to hyperspace to head to Starkiller base, no time passed in the day.
     
  15. seventhbeacon

    seventhbeacon Jedi Knight star 3

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    What do you mean no time passed in the day? What's your point of reference there? Just in case, I would like to point out that the Resistance Base's planet and the Starkiller planet both orbit different suns, making daylight levels a moot point.
     
  16. JediAce1

    JediAce1 Force Ghost star 5

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    maybe some time passed in the day, but it definitely didn't jump to the next day. That was around the time Kylo was chatting with Snoke and Rey was jedi mind tricking the stormtrooper.
     
  17. Nanosoft

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    http://www.wsj.com/articles/star-wa...view-a-new-hope-with-the-old-force-1450252801

     
  18. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    Trying to deduce the exact passage of time in SW tends to be rather difficult, unless they specifically come out and TELL you how much time has past (for example, telling us that ten year pass in-between TPM and AOTC).
     
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  19. DD-1110

    DD-1110 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I could not be more excited about Finn and Rey falling for each other, but I also could not agree more with everything I marked in bold. I trust that the current creative team is not going that route. I trust that largely because of what I've seen with the depiction of Rey and Finn's relationship. They don't need long mushy moments; their feelings for each other are written and performed very clearly, ironically despite the debate we're currently having!;)

    In fact, scenes like that would ruin what I love about them in the first place. I don't like them because they're an interracial couple, although I will not pretend that's not important, nor will I pretend that it wouldn't thrill me as a Star Wars fan for this to be the first major film franchise to go there. I would, of course, love for that kind of positive social progression to be part of SW legacy. SW has always[/] been this. Despite our 21st-century lenses, both Leia and Lando were very progressive at the time, and despite our 21st-century criticisms, we still love both of those characters today. This is not new.

    I also don't want them to be together with either as 'a prize' for the other, and I cringe every time I think that my previous post could have been misleading on this point. It really does bother me that black action heroes don't usually 'get the girl,' and it REALLY bothers me that 'strong female characters' are almost universally doomed to be alone or have incredibly painful/unhealthy romantic relationships – and that many so-called 'pro-woman feminists' see this as a good, even necessary, thing. That just baffles me.

    But the ONLY truly compelling reason I want Finn and Rey together is the magical explosion of dynamic chemistry I saw on-screen. It was so impressive to me exactly because it was completely UNLIKE the forced soapy melodrama of Anakin and Padme. It was more like Han and Leia, had they not also, y'know, taken cheap shots at each other and bickered all the time. Star Wars for me, is first and foremost about good feelings. Every moment's not happy, but the experience overall just plain feels good. It would be nice to see a healthy romance, one that develops slowly and naturally from pure positive feelings, just organically reach its potential. I'd enjoy that experience.

    As Daisy Ridley said when asked about romance for Rey, 'We shall see'.
     
  20. MJ-100

    MJ-100 Jedi Knight star 1

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    I love the argument that it obviously won't happen because "she's gonna be a Jedi!".
    I think that's why they hinted so heavily romance already, in the 1st movie. They could have made their interactions much more platonic than that, yet the majority of the audience sees the beginning of a romance happening.
    Because yes, a Jedi can't have attach and even less a boyfriend, so it would be a conflict for her and could work in the storyline.
    Even Kylo said to her that her caring for Finn is "a weakness". That could be foreshadowing.
    Plus don't we say that absence makes the heart grow fonder?
     
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  21. Darth Philosophical

    Darth Philosophical Jedi Padawan star 1

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    When analyzing a film, it doesn't matter what the viewer wants or wishes. All that matters is the intention of the creator(s). Through character interactions, dialogue, visual symbolism and every other film device, what were they trying to convey to the audience? I will attempt to list all the interactions between Finn and Rey that I feel have either a romantic undertone, compliment or mirror each other and how this symbolizes their journey in the future.

    I shall preface this by saying that going into TFA, I had no idea what the relationship between Finn and Rey would be, but after viewing the film, I am convinced the filmmakers were laying the groundwork for a deep friendship that they plan on developing into a full blown romance in episodes 8-9. Let's begin:

    • During the attack on the Jakku village, when the dying Stormtrooper touches Finn's helmet with his bloody hand, Finn has an awakening. Watch the scene again and you'll notice that Finn has a physical reaction immediately upon being touched. It's as if he was asleep and someone violently woke him up and once awake, he freaks out and runs away. Nothing romantic obviously, but this is an important connection to Rey because later on, when she has her awakening in Maz's cellar with Luke's saber, she responds exactly like Finn - by running away.
    • The first time we see Finn (sans helmet) he’s ordered by Phasma to put it back on and when he does, the film immediately jump cuts to Rey. Take note how the editor doesn't employ the usual SW wipe transition, but rather, a jump cut. It's interesting how Rey's goggles resemble an old Trooper helmet too. Again, not romantic in any way, but just another connection between our leads.
    • In their meeting on Jakku, when Rey says that she’s never met a resistance fighter before, her face changes from a hard scowl to a soft, smile. That’s when Finn goes into a slight “peacock mode" because he notices it. The scene is played for laughs, but the undertone has a tinge of boy-meets-girl-cutesy to it. If you've ever watched a romantic comedy, you should've recognized this scene for what it is. Anyway, after a quick chat about the map, they are interrupted by BB-8 who warns them FO troopers are there (interruptions will become a recurring theme in the Finn/Rey relationship). Btw, if you look carefully at this scene, it almost looks as if Daisy Ridley is going to break character and laugh (corpsing), but regains her composure at the last second. It says something the filmmakers used this particular take in her interaction with Boyega.
    • When they're running from the FO troopers, Finn grabs Rey's hand twice and she objects each time. The first time she forcibly removes her hand from his, but if you look closely on the second, she actually stays hand-in-hand with him until they get knocked down from a blast explosion. Then there's a moment when Finn ask Rey is she's okay and she looks completely bewildered by his question. She then offers her hand when picking him off the ground.
    • When they board the Falcon and take their respective seats in it, they each whisper to themselves, “I can do this” mirroring their respective doubts about pulling off the escape. Again they're connected, this time by a negative emotion.
    • On Finn’s advice, Rey flies the Falcon low to confuse the TIEs tracking. Her instinct was to soar, which would’ve gotten them shot down. Finn’s knowledge helps Rey and saves them both.
    • As the TIEs are chasing them, Rey asks Finn if he’s ever going to shoot back and he says he’s "Working on it". He then asks her if the shields are up and she says, "It’s not easy without a co-pilot". In other words, they’re each saying to the other, “Hey, I need you (back/up) there.”
    • After the MF canon gets stuck in the forward position, Finn can’t fire it unless Rey can turn the ship around and give him a shot, which she does. Rey’s skills help Finn and saves them both.
    • After they escape the TIEs, they have a second “cute meeting” on the Falcon. They’re euphoric as they circle each other, speak at the same time, smiling wide and complimenting each other. It's almost ridiculous how cutesy it is. Their exchange ends with them exclaiming respectively, “That was pretty good” (Finn) and “It was perfect!” (Rey) as their eyes meet. They are then, once again, interrupted by BB-8.
    • When they finally introduce themselves (where Rey’s theme music is playing in the background) there is a very long pause as they stare into each others eyes. Finn attempts to say something but he is interrupted by a malfunction on the Falcon.
    • As before, Finn and Rey work together to fix the issue on the Falcon, and when she tells him that she’s not going with him and BB-8 back to the base, Finn inquires, ”What about you?” and if she has a boyfriend.
    • When Finn and Rey are running from the Rathters on Han's ship, they come across one and Finn, once again, grabs Rey’s arm to lead her to safety which, unlike earlier, she does not object to.
    • Han tells Finn that women "always find out the truth". The filmmakers used a prior SW sex symbol to deliver advice to a younger man about the main woman in this trilogy. This is something Han never, ever did for Luke as they were both vying for Leia's affections.
    • The entire scene between Finn and Rey in Maz’s bar is a massive romantic scene between the characters. Nothing is outright stated, but there are all sorts of feelings bubbling beneath the surface, including love. Finn confesses his true self to Rey who remains a bit in shock and then he says, “So I ran, right into you. You looked at me like no one ever had.” Cut to Rey getting teary-eyed and as the camera holds on her, Finn continues: “I was ashamed of what I was.” There’s no way that’s not meant to be romantic. None. Then, after hearing everything Finn’s had to say, Rey pleads with him when she says, ”Don’t go.” to which he replies, ”Take care of yourself. Please.” It cuts to Rey’s reaction - she’s crying. The tears may not be streaming down her cheeks, but they’re there. She’s not crying due to abandonment issues or because Finn is leaving the Resistance (he's not part of it); She’s crying because Finn is leaving her. Do I think either of them are conscious of their love for each other? No, not at all, but this is something the audience is aware of, even when the characters themselves are blind to it. Oh, and if you didn’t notice, there’s another interuption here. Rey walks down the stairs and watches Finn leave, but she hears the whispers of the Force call to her and that’s when she turns away. It’s at this moment Finn looks back and sees that Rey is NOT there.
    • Maz gives the lightsaber to Finn (not Han or Chewie). Narratively speaking, she could’ve given the saber to anyone to get it into Rey’s hands, but she specifically gives it to Finn and says, "Take it. Find your friend.” I actually believe this has more to do with Finn being force-sensitive, but that’s a theory for another thread. However, Finn now holds Rey’s destiny in his hands…literally. Perhaps he's holding his own as well. Who knows? What I do know is the characters are, once again, connected.
    • Finn runs screaming through the battlefield like a madman when he sees Kylo abducting Rey. It’s a wide angle tracking shot that shows TIEs being destroyed in the background and laser shots going by. He’s running through hellfire and brimstone to chase after Rey. It illustrates that in the mist of all this chaos, Finn doesn’t care about his own well being and is focused solely on Rey. If TFA were a romantic drama, this would've been the equivalent of the "Guy runs through the airport to try and stop the girl from getting on the plane to Paris as she leaves forever" scene.
    • Upon reaching the resistance base, Finn’s only concern is Rey. He asks Poe for help who immediately takes him to Leia where Finn reiterates that he needs to save Rey. For a guy who has spent the entire film running from the FO, he’s now someone who’s risking his life and voluntarily going to Starkiller base to save someone he cares deeply about.
    • On SK base, when Han questions Finn about how to disable the shields, Finn says, “I don't know. I’m just here to get Rey.” Han gets angry at him and Finn replies with "We'll figure something out. We'll use the force" which amazingly, is precisely what Rey does inside to escape. As she tells Finn later, she doesn't know how she got away. We, the audience, know she instinctively used the force - just as Finn suggested to Han.
    • After Phasma lowers the shields, Finn tells Han that they won’t have a lot of time to find Rey. Han assures him that they won’t leave the base without her.
    • When Rey runs into Finn, Han and Chewie and asks, ”Finn, what are you doing here?”, he replies, ”We came back for you”, but Chewie growls to Rey that it was Finn's idea. This lets Rey know that it was Finn, and him alone, who decided to come and rescue her. She throws herself onto him and embraces him tightly. This is huge because it’s the first time in the film we see Rey get this physically intimate with someone. They share a very long hug and speak while in each others arms. Han interupts them with, “Escape now. Hug later.”
    • As the group is setting charges on SK base, we see Rey wearing Finn’s jacket.
    • After Kylo knocks Rey out in the forest, Finn tosses his blaster aside, drops to her side, cradles her head in his arms and freaks out. He doesn't check for a heartbeat or a pulse. He just assumes the worst. He then gets angry, ignites the saber and starts fighting Kylo. This is no longer the Finn who's been running. This is a man who's going to fight and, if necessary, die for Rey. Funny, when Kylo says the saber belongs to him, Finn says, "Come and get it", but he's the one who angrily charges at Kylo.
    • When Kylo uses his saber to burn Finn, it is Finn’s screams of pain that wake Rey up from her unconscious state.
    • When Finn is knocked unconscious, that’s when Rey force calls the lightsaber and fights, and just like Finn, she too angrily charges at Kylo.
    • After defeating Kylo, Rey rushes back to Finn. She tosses the lightsaber aside, drops to his side and freaks out. She doesn’t check for a heartbeat or a pulse. She rolls him over and assumes the worst. She then lays her head on his chest and starts bawling her eyes out. It’s an exact mirror of how Finn reacted when he thought she was dead a few moments earlier.
    • As Chewie carrys Finn onto the medical gurney, you can see Rey on the right side of the screen following and reaching out towards Finn. As he is taken away, Rey is left distraught and Leia provides comfort.
    • While Finn is lying in a coma, Rey says ”We’ll see each other again. I believe that. Thank you, my friend.” and then proceeds to give him a nice long kiss on the forehead. Despite what the anti-Finn/Rey brigade believe, it would've been very weird, and unwarranted, for her to say anything like, "I love you" or "Thank you, my love". Declarations like that can only be made consciously when one is aware, and right now, Rey is not. I don't believe Finn got "friend zoned" as some say. If anything, the scene illustrates how much Rey values him. She doesn't just take off on her adventure To find Luke. She believes and wants to see Finn again.

    There's a reason all this groundwork was laid between Finn and Rey, and it wasn't to set-up a friendship. Even the deepest of friendships don't require this much effort. Filmmaking has certain rules it must adhere to. You don't put this much subtext in a film between a man and a woman and leave it at friends. This isn't real life; Movies have running times and limitations. Finn/Rey has to happen or else the filmmakers will have wasted an enormous amount of screen time building a friendship at the expense of much needed exposition.

    Oh, and for you TFA book lovers (especially the Rey/Poe shippers) - the scenes between Finn and Rey in the novel are even more romantically overt than they are in the film. What do you think of that? ;)
     
  22. DD-1110

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    Yeah… Wouldn't it be nice if there were just more female characters? Like Captain Pha– oh wait, no. If Gwendoline Christie doesn't just scene-bomb every scene in the next movie I just don't know…

    Scene: REY and FINN finally KISS! (Sweeping John Williams score)

    *BOOM! Captain Phasma scene-bomb* (Oh, what if he actually creates a theme for her based on 'Kashmir'? My head might literally explode and I'd miss the whole rest of the movie – and my life – but it would be totally worth it!)

    Me: Still smiling. Want. More. Phasma.

    I really HATE the misleading marketing. A LOT.

    Hey, lookit that! She kinda just bombed this thread!;)

    …Aaaand we're back:

    Thanks, Nanosoft! Well, that really bugs me. This makes a point that sanitation is Finn's 'specialty'. It won't bother me, I guess, if that now turns out to be true. What bothers me about 'Finn the Janitor' is not that being a janitor is 'bad'. OBVIOUSLY. What bugs me is that a fighting soldier's skill set is FAR MORE VALUABLE in the SW universe than the skill set of someone with a 'sanitation' background. It really seemed like people were trying to dismiss Finn's skills.

    Hm… It's really tough now. I'd say the movie paints Finn as either an elite stormtrooper who isn't adapting all of his skills to the outside world once he leaves, possibly – and logically – because what it does to his mind to break the conditioning also impairs some of his training. That could be interesting.

    Or he's a 'sanitation specialist,' and ok, fine. But then how did he get on the most elite detail, answering directly to Phasma. And note, there is no way Phasma just met him. They have some serious history. So why would Captain Phasma have been training a 'sanitation specialist'?

    There are so many inconsistencies about Finn, and so many inconsistencies between the books and the film. Poe's heroic run inside the oscillator doesn't even occur in the book, and I'm not 'sure' Han uses the word 'specialty' in the movie. I remember being very convinced FN-2187 just happened to work a sanitation detail on Starkiller Base; I never understood him to be a 'sanitation specialist'.

    But if that's from the books and it's true, then the emphasis the books put on Finn as a harder, more disciplined, exemplary soldier should also be true, right? And then why would this clearly exceptional soldier be a 'sanitation specialist'? It's odd.

    The thing that would make the most sense to me would be if FB-2187 was incredible at the exercises, especially because he often performed them in his own way, prioritizing the safety of his unit even if it increased the risk of failure, yet was consistently successful in also achieving the missions. This part, actually, is canon. Finn is a successful leader in the books, from what I've read second-hand. But what would make most sense is if even though he achieved those goals, he was not given the opportunity to do combat missions. Perhaps he was actually very eager to get into combat, but despite his talent and performance, the FO did not trust him.

    When Finn finally got assigned to the Jakku raid, he was excited, finally a chance to prove himself. That Phasma, keeping him on sanitation duty, when he was clearly the best in the division. He'd show her. He'd wipe out all the insurgents all on his own! But then he gets there, and freezes. Something starts to happen, and then Slip is killed, and then… And when he gets on the other side of that, his edges are softer. Every moment he's free, he's losing his conditioning, but the training is connected to it as well.

    This could make that coma very interesting, because it gives us time to see what's happening inside Finn's mind. Of course, who knows what the future holds, but Finn is inconsistent enough that I've decided to stop worrying quite so much about who he is and how others see him for now. Though I really hope these incongruities are addressed and the character is more elegantly cohesive going forward.
     
  23. MJ-100

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  24. Nanosoft

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    Agreed.

    Slightly related, shipping aside, there are two points I wanna make. They deal with my expectations for Ep. 8/9 : 1) For Luke to be *very* different from the Prequel Era Jedi's, in both dogma and training; 2) For Episode 8/9 to be very different from ESB/ROTJ.

    One the first point...I don't think people realize that one of the major points of the prequels was that, the haughtiness, overconfidence, and bureaucracy of the Jedi is what led to their downfall. Luke of the OT works as a counter-point to all their council meetings and politicking etc. The fact that the main rumor as of now is that he's Rey's father, would suggest that he himself has abandoned the rule of "no attachments". The *old* EU was full of stories with Luke and his family (Mara Jade, etc). Even earlier versions of TFA script centered on Rey as his daughter (This may all have been completely trashed, mind you, but it shows that they probably don't feel that Luke must be celibate).

    I'd be shocked if Luke has adapted the rule of "no attachments". This is the same guy that told Yoda to buzz-off and went to save Han/Leia. This is the same guy that SWORE that there was still good in Vader, and was proven right. I'll be disappointed if Luke hasn't found some completely new paradigm to being a Jedi.

    One the second point, I think that many people are expecting these next two sequels to match-up with ESB and ROTJ...and I just don't think that's what's in store. Romance plots aside, this might not end up as simple as "Rey training with Luke, Finn on his own adventure, plots converge in the climax". While people seem willing to accept that TFA was essentially an anagram of the OT, I think that Lucasfilm will be smart enough to realize that they won't be afforded the same luxury again. There will be considerably less call-backs, and "poetry", in Episode 8. We shouldn't be expecting much of anything out of these characters right now. We don't know how long the time jump will be, we don't know when Finn will wake up, we don't even know if Luke will actually want to train Rey.

    We know very little about the script. JJ, Daisy, and John have all said that they think it's great. But nothing plot centric as of now. Kasdan has said this :

    Speaking of Lucasfilm...can people please stop referring to DISNEY when talking about the production of these movies? Kathleen Kennedy is making the calls, not Disney. LF has as much autonomy as Marvel has.
     
  25. Gixen

    Gixen Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Dec 20, 2015
    I have no idea why people want them to have a romantic relationship. Do you hate them that much? Don't you guys ever learn? ;)

    Padme and Anakin: Padme dies and Anakin turns to the Dark Side.
    Han and Leia: Their son killes Han.