ST The relationship between Finn and Rey. SEE FIRST POST WARNING

isn't that the whole point of movies to pull at my heart strings? Well done sad moments are welcome (although if both are Jedi, killing either gets harder).

 

For all the people writing short novels about all the signs Finn and Rey are destined to be together. Your observations are not wrong but did you ever stop and think why was all of that punctuated with Rey defining the relationship as a friendship? I have heard that they are going to develop this into a romance in the next 2 episodes and they are friends now but clearly it will develop into more. I ask how much closer do these characters need to grow to each other before they take it to the next level? They are already ready to die for each other. So why not punctuate that with a kiss at the end, a definitive statement that these 2 are romantic? The film makers deliberately left it ambiguous then separated the characters. Now Finn is being paired with another female lead. Did you ever think that maybe they care for each other like a brother and sister?

The first review I read said he wasn't sure if Finn and Rey were meant to be romantic but if they were their romance was as hot as hoth. I thought the same, I got a very Frodo and Sam vibe or a Finn and Poe vibe. People thought both those pairs are romanticly interested in the other. I am not the only one with this opinion.

 

Didn't know who Gugu Mbatha-Raw (already cast for Ep 8) was so I googled. What a ridiculously beautiful woman (with a Star Wars name to boot). Rey is wonderful but if Finn does get paired up with this new female character I think he'd be over the Endor moon.

 

I have that same feeling generally, but a) it's convenient and b) I love these two like a 16-year-old girl with a pink fuzzy pen writing fan fiction in her shiny purple spiral notebook to share with her friends on Tumblr. And I had forgotten – completely – that I could care this much about fantasy fiction or movies in general.

I really think it was more like blinking lights and neon signs, but then again Finn has been heavily marketed all over the world holding a blue lightsaber like a Jedi, so anything is still possible:

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I'm curious what you think I'm 'naive' about, Forceuser707? I absolutely agree that part of Finn's casting and that first trailer are totally about showing the audience something unexpected and capturing our attention/imagination. Do you mean there's a yet deeper, more hidden agenda/gear of some kind?

I'm also confused that you seem to be arguing Rey-Poe as more 'traditional,' but they'd be just as interracial as Rey-Finn, just 'not black'.

I'm also confused that you seem to be arguing that Finn-Rey is more interesting than Poe-Rey, but then your conclusion is that we should lower our expectations and not be surprised to see Poe-Rey because it will pacify the audience??

My take is that they will either care more about disappointing fans who love the chemistry they've already created OR they will care more about disappointing fans who are rejecting all their cake-crumbs and dots for, y'know, 'reasons'. I'm not too nervous about my chances, but of course anything is possible.

Also, what are the Star Wars movies 'about' that most people aren't getting? That sounds intriguing…

 

This thread will become cannon once Ep8 comes out lol

 

I'm going to say this again, you may not care about the people who may feel uncomfortable with A Rey and Finn relationship but it's not your money at risk. The only opinions Disney cares about is the stockholders and all the stockholders care about is money. They will do what sells. Female lead heros sell, they know this because of the Hunger Games so that's not a risk. Have a black lead they know can sell. What they don't know is how a black man and white woman will affect the box office. Will someone go see the movie twice if that romance makes them uncomfortable? The fact that it has not been done in a big budget film is telling and and an indication of their market research. I keep hearing this isn't the 1950s but these things still exist. Want evidence? Donald Trump.

 

All movies are based on a handful of archetypes.They're just approached differently each time.

I used the term naive because in truth only a handful of producers/directors would ever be given the freedom to do exactly what they want in a high stakes production like this. Even though we do see a non-traditional leading cast, I don't think they will take it beyond where it's at, and that's because the reigns have been handed over to different teams. I'm assuming things will go back to a traditional kind of offering. The guy who is doing Episode VIII (writing and directing) I don't know much about but I did watch one of his movies. It would surprise me if he delivers something you might consider ideal in this regard. Then again the producer has said she would like to continue to promote a vision based on the world we live in now and so like you said - anything is possible.

Just saying don't surprised if we get something predictable.

 

Finn is getting a romance but I just think it will be with the new character they are casting

 

And waste all the ground work they did in TFA? I don't think they'll do that. If it happens, it will continue powerd by the seeds already planted.

 

I work for a major toy company, I have done this type of research, including focus groups and surveys. Trust me it's not just the trolls on the Internet. When you give someone anonymity you would be surprised what they tell you. My company listens to theses things, trust me Disney does too. If they go that route it will be incredibly brave, I will commend them for their courage but knowing how this works at the top level I doubt it.

 

Yes! When they first met and he took her hand – twice – and then 'here ya go!' Even the fact that she hit him in the face, honestly… I was instantly like, 'Hnh. This is weird… Is there…?' And then on the Falcon, and then after the dogfight with the, 'We just survived and the very first thing we're both literally running to do is tell each other how awesome the other is' and I was just like, 'Yeah. This is happening. And I am DIGGING them!' And then they cried and ran and screamed and hugged and fought and lost and won for each other and I was just SOLD.

Thankfully this isn't true for everyone. Hopefully it isn't true for most. I don't think most people enjoy thinking of themselves as 'drunken consequences'. Films like that tend to have a very different atmosphere than SW.

ALL of this better be true, actually, but the final paragraph especially.

How does she do these tiny adorable smiles while speaking? I just love her so much! She can do this. But she can also fly the Falcon, and she can also use that staff, and a blaster (once the safety's off), and a lightsaber. I just love her so much!

I definitely sound silly, too, I know. I am way too invested, but who knows if I'll ever be this excited again? The next movie may crush my vision (and be really disrespectful to the writing and performances shown in TFA), but I'm just gonna go ahead and hope. It's fun.

Interesting… But will Finn find out about his true family? Who knows? He's such a wild card with so much conflicting characterization and information. I really hope they nail his character down a bit tighter next time. But if Rey is Skywalker, I would LOVE this. It would also start the Skywalker name passing down as a matriarchy, which the couple might choose to continue (in my wildest dreams!).

You're absolutely right, alex8991. I understand, too. Why-questions make me crazy, like a brain itch. So, just like the fact that Poe's trench run doesn't exist in the novel but made it to screen, the reason the scene from the book and all interaction between Pow and Rey was cut from the movie even if a snippet appears in the novel is – they had a better idea. Ok? That's why. That's its purpose. To be better on-screen. To be a better movie. To be the best movie they could make. To make the best movie they could make, they decided thT even though they had ideas about how Rey and Poe might meet, the whole movie would be better if they just didn't…at all.

And anyway alex8991, do you really think that's the only scene they wrote and scrapped? Not only is it not the only thing different between the novel and the movie, I'm fairly confident there are mountains of ideas that never made it from their phone's voice memo into a notebook. Writers write a lot of things that don't get used. Maybe for pacing's sake the novel author felt there needed to be one more small scene with Poe. Who knows? But the fact that it's written, but not on-screen makes it less important, not more. It means they didn't like it enough to keep it.

Which is unfortunate because Starkiller Base sounds much cooler and makes more sense in the novel, and I don't really agree that there wasn't a way to do it visually, as some might say.

 

You answered why the scene was changed but not what it was written in the first place and why it made it to the final script and into the novel.

 

I'm secretly hoping they meet when Rey comes back to check if Finn and Poe is just there waiting and they're kind of awkward cos they've never met and they both seem really interested in Finn and they're both like 'Who IS that?' With their faces to themselves and then finally Rey, since Poe was there first, walks up and says, 'I'm Rey' and Poe's face just fills with happiness because of course he knows all about her and she's here! And then Poe's like, 'I'm–' But at that same moment off-screen, we hear Finn say, weakly, 'Rey?' And she's gone like a cartoon with a smoke cloud and Poe just smiles happily to himself, 'Yeah… We'll meet later.'

Oh, good! So Poe IS gonna get some love! But wait… Poe is gay, right? We all saw that, right

Oh! Oh! What if instead of his face filling with happiness, he looks really disappointed for a moment because he hoped she was NEVER coming back, and then he puts on a fake 'filled with happiness' face and Finn wakes up and Rey goes in and Poe takes the beautiful bouquet of flowers he was bringing down the hall and chucks them in the trash. Poor Poe. I'm actually going to be genuinely disappointed at this point if he's ever given a female love interest. I love gay Poe.

 

Yeah.

My reading is that she isn't in love with Finn as anything more than a friend at the movie's end.

Finn is at least the same.

I don't know that there is anything more to it than that at this stage. I think we can say Finn would like it to be more so in that sense he is like Luke or Han to Leia in ANH.

 

I agree that they're just friends at this point (who may or may not have some kind of attraction to each other). And it's possible that they'll simply remain that, and that's not really a BAD thing either.

But this idea that, because they didn't jump into bed with each other, or start snogging, like two days after meeting for the first time, means that that could NEVER happen, is something that I just don't agree with. If that were the case, then Han and Leia would never have gotten together and had little baby Darth Fanboy.

 

I wasn't, actually, but I may try this. As far as I can tell a disproportionate amount of 'everyone's' time seems to be replying to you – who keeps repeating the same thing – rather than talking to everyone else. I hadn't noticed until just now. Nice tip!

Okay, alex, I was really trying to take you seriously, but at 'Ha!' (insert moustache twirl) I'm done.

It's true that it's not relevant to the main story, but I'd kinda like to see the Poe escape show up on home media if it was filmed. More Oscar Isaac = Good. And Poe is an interesting character we didn't see enough of in TFA.

Maybe someone said, 'Hey, Oscar Isaac is just too handsome and Daisy Ridley is just too adorable. If they smile at each other in a scene and there are no more scenes with Finn, the audience is going to be so confused.' To which, I would've replied, 'After everything they just saw on-screen between Rey and Finn? No way; leave it. More Oscar Isaac = Good.' And, apparently, I would've been wrong.

So there's another reason and purpose, alex8991. They cut it out of the movie to help you. Their purpose was to make the movie less confusing for you. Somehow they still failed.

Worth repeating. Especially the last. anakinfansince1983 is absolutely right that 'poorly written' romance tends to always find ways to make female characters particularly suffer. But great romance, well written and organic, is just a pleasure to experience. Rey and Finn, for me, were more strongly of this latter variety than I've ever seen. Even better than Charade, which was my previous favorite.

It really hurts me to think that the same people who – yay! – understand s real need for better women characters also don't understand that – boo! – denying them the possibility to love or be loved romantically IS a shackle. It's about the story. Whether romantic or not, if you saw TFA and didn't think the story being told depended A LOT on the chemistry of the leads, then you had an experience with this film that I cannot even begin to imagine, so we can just agree to disagree.

 

Like +5000!

First of all, alex, literally NO ONE is saying anything kind of like that – at all. Like, not in the realm of that. And secondly, I think we all know it's not a sure thing. Heck, that's part of why I'm enjoying it now. I know, all to well, they might have only put it out there so that they could snatch it away. But maybe, just maybe, not this time.

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So I got to Page 34 and I'm gonna have to go back and find how the conversation turned back toward race as a central issue? Hm… We were talking about what the Finn-Rey relationship looks like, as supported by the texts of the film and novelisation. At that point, it seemed like the majority of posters were onboard, and interestingly enough these posters sound like positive, optimistic people, and the atmosphere was light. But they did seem to be the majority, so then someone brought up race…

Oh, wait no. Iii see what happened/s now.

Now, back on topic. Do we think Rey will already be back before Finn wakes up, or what do we think his reaction will be like when he wakes up and she's not there?

 

They cute

 

I think Finn will already be awake. Rey will come back to the resistance base with Luke. Luke and Leia will, of course, have their reunion. Rey and Finn will see each other, and hug.

 

(Finn)aly we're back on topic. <-- Se what I did there? Good god I'm such a big deal .

Okay, there are some things Finn doesn't know yet since being downed by Ren, example: If Rey alive? If so, how?!
He has no idea she is a badass on the path of the jedi and I think this will play a part.

I think Ep8 will start sometime after the coma, maybe like 1year. Rey would already be well known with the Force but Finn will be the only one who still sees the kid in her. I like that. Pulls for the humanity in both of them.

I think Finn will wake up (force induced maybe) and also begin some kind of trainning for that year. They will both become pretty good as far as skills go and meet again mid-movie.

 

At MAZ's? Seriously? Wait, but cos, I mean… Her EYES, and… He's all, 'Come with me.' And she's like, 'Don't go.' And I'm a grown-*** man in puddle in the floor thinking, 'But I was just going to see lightsabers and spaceships and jokes – where did all these incredible feelings come from? Seriously? And then he comes back – but she doesn't even know! And he's running toward danger for her – and she doesn't even see! But as soon as she does see him again, even though she's maybe never hugged anyone before in her life and doesn't seem to like being touched, she throws her body at him and wraps her arms around him and just… Okay. I mean, okay. Really. But come on! 'Come with me.' 'Don't go.' Seriously?

I need this on home media so that I can watch them say just these two lines every morning so that I have a better day.

 

Holy crap man. You have gone off the deep end. Watch Lord of the Rings, Sam does many of the same things Finn does. Frodo even refers to him as "my Sam". Not all love is romantic. All you need to know is if they cast Gina Rodgiguez that is Finn's love interest. You will disagree because you have a drawing of them kissing as you avatar but it's true.