ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

Or she keeps her own last name. That does happen you know.

 

If Rey is Luke's daughter, then would the mother have been potentially killed in Ren's attack on the new Jedi trainees?

Also, one thing I don't understand is how Ren was able to overpower all of the trainees. Was Luke away from the group? We see Luke touching R2 in the rain, so maybe that was after he got back and found everyone dead? Maybe Rey was just a young child who Luke's mother hid, and then she watched as Ren killed everyone.

 

He is the only one with a lightsaber? The lightsaber he is seen with in the massacre flashback is the same one he has in TFA, i.e. spluttering, makeshift. None of the others with him have lightsabers.

 

Luke's daughter until proven otherwise. I've believed this from the start.

 

I just watched again still believe she's Luke daughter but now I believe it was Kylo/Ben who put her on that planet because he was hiding his mistake the light still in him that he couldn't kill her because she was his family

 

bumping this I believe Rey is Luke's daughter glad most of the people who voted agree

 

I think she will be made Luke's daughter as fan service which is exactly the problem. What I think about her actual lineage is irrelevant. I hope they surprise us. Stop pandering to fans who can predict the stories a year out from release!

 

Don't worry, I think they're setting up a total bait and switch. It's funny to see the fans act as though Rey=Luke's daughter, as if it's already set in stone, when this is not the case.

 

As we start to have people like Abrams and Pablo Hidalgo clarify certain things about TFA, it's becoming clearer that several of the things that people took as evidence of Rey being a Skywalker did not in fact have anything to do with the possibility of her being a Skywalker, which, in light of what we're learning, consequently makes the idea of her being a Skywalker less and less likely.

 

It shouldn't take Pablo posting things on his twitter account, or interviews with JJ, in order to "clarify" anything, since about .000001% of the audience that will see this movie will read those. Pretty much everyone in the GA that I've spoken to who has seen the movie thinks that she's related to him, most think that she's his daughter. Because the movie implies a lot. Also the pre-release stuff implies it as well.

Also JJ isn't completely running the show. Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow likely have their own ideas/views on things. I'm wondering if that's part of the reason why JJ left things ambiguous in places, to avoid stepping on their toes creatively-speaking.

And finally, the whole "mystery" is rendered completely pointless if she's just a "random." If that's the case, then you could have just told us that from day one and it'd have changed nothing.

 

Not revealing things about her parentage doesn't have to be a "mystery"; Abrams could easily have kept things ambiguous as to her parentage simply because the identities of her parents aren't actually important, and because he thought it was a cool idea.

If people come away from the movie believing things that those directly involved with making it later debunk, it means that the film's contents weren't actually intended to lead people to the conclusions that were reached.

 

It's not a cool idea, that's the thing. "She's not related to anyone, so then why keep it a secret?" That's going to be most people's response, I pretty certain of that.

-She looks like they threw Natalie Portman and Carrie Fisher in a blender.
-Deliberately withholding her last name (especially in THIS franchise).
-There's tons of visual references/callbacks to Anakin and Luke.
-Her visions/powers star activating immediately after touching Luke and Anakin's old lightsaber.
-Conveniently they show a flashback of her being left on Jakku as a child, but not WHO put her there.
-Etc.

Yeah, I cannot imagine why anyone would make the conclusion that she's related to Luke. So no, not revealing her last name doesn't automatically make it a mystery. EVERYTHING else that they did makes it a mystery, especially in this franchise (which has something of a history in this regard).

If people come away from the movie believing things that those directly involved with making it later debunk, it means that the film's contents weren't actually intended to lead people to the conclusions that were reached.

If you have to rely on posts on a TWITTER page, or interviews after the fact, in order to "clarify" this stuff, then you've failed somewhere in the writing process. Because the vast majority of the GA won't end up reading those, or even know about them at all.

 

Choosing not to reveal something is not the same thing as keeping something a secret.

[quote-She looks like they threw Natalie Portman and Carrie Fisher in a blender.[/quote]

Rey's resemblance to Natalie Portman and Carrie Fisher doesn't necessarily mean that she's a Skywalker. Kiera Knightley and Natalie Portman are dead ringers for each other, but their characters were completely unrelated to each other biologically.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Doesn't automatically mean she's a Skywalker (although it does point to her possibly being one).

Doesn't automatically mean she's a Skywalker (although it does point to her possibly being one)

Doesn't necessarily mean anything.

What a film is intended to convey is not always what an audience perceives it as being intended to convey, which is why you DO in fact have to sometimes rely on clarifying statements from the people involved in making the movie, even if said clarifying statements go unnoticed by most of the general audience.

 

Luke is Dad
Felicty Jones in Rogue One is Mom


Hope Mara Jade gets worked in somehow at some point, TV show, whatever, but for now I am going with the above.

 

I agree that at this point most people won't be surprised if Luke is her father and I don't quite get the logic of being coy about it anymore, but where I don't agree is that a surprise is its own reward.

If you deliberately mislead your audience to set up a surprise, you need to be sure the surprise is as interesting and satisfying as the thing you teased. I'm dubious that "she's unrelated" (or even "she's a Kenobi/Palpatine/Snoke") could withstand that test for the majority of the audience.

A disappointing surprise is usually worse than a satisfying, but unsurprising reveal.

Who says Rey won't keep her name if she gets married? Leia did. Who says her kids won't get her name? Hell, if she married Finn, he doesn't even have a surname.
Like, they didn't write this movie with restrictions. They got rid of the entire EU so they wouldn't have restrictions. If they wanted to continue the story of the Skywalker saga (which they've said they do), why not like...write about their kids and grandkids? That would be the simplest route to go.
If they want to de-emphasise the Skywalker bloodline in order to make some point about adoption and family of choice and merit over quasi-dynastic inheritance - that heroes can come from anywhere - then...choosing someone who won the genetic Force lottery and seems to be a second "Chosen One" is probably not the best way to do that.

 

lol like you know for sure at all you are just as bad as us who think she is they probably are banking on us arguing about this until next movie keeping our interest peaked

 

Then it's time to start not believing it, because it's slowly being disproven.

 

lol

like hell it is She is Luke's daughter no question I think it is more that it is a girl than she's his child so he had to have a boy right girls can carry names on too
I am leaning that he didn't leave her there and thought she was dead my theories are that Kylo/Ben left her there because he couldn't kill her and put her there to hide his mistake or someone hid her there because they intended to go back for her when it was safe but not Luke maybe her mother so we shall see

 

Answer this question for me: do you realize what Rey being a Skywalker would actually mean for the legitimacy and legacy of Luke's character? If she's a Skywalker, Luke becomes a complete douchebag who should be thrown in jail for abandoning his daughter on a ****-can backwater junk-planet - and in the care of a scumbag (Unkar Plutt) who treated her like dirt and forced her to eke out the barest of existences - for no conceivable reason whatsoever.

Never mind the fact that you have to jump through so many silly narrative hoops to make the "Rey is a Skywalker" theory work even before you get to the whole issue of what it would actually do to Luke's character.

 

Wait...

Finn has no family name. Finn ends up in a relationship with Rey. Rey is Luke's daughter...

The Skywalker name continues, and we get our first mixed race Skywalker for the future. Everyone wins!

 

I really do believe that Luke did not know I think he thought she was dead again we only saw brief glimpses so there is a lot we won't know until 8 comes out but I know the worst thing is to lose a child so that explains the exile on his part but someone other than Luke put her there my theory is on her Mother but I am not sure

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The only way Rey can be a Skywalker and Luke not know her is for him to have knocked up some random woman in passing (which would be entirely out-of-character for him) and for said woman to have then abandoned her on Jakku for unknown reasons when she was 5.

 

It's explicitly stated in both the movie and the novelization that Rey is waiting for her PARENTS to return, not her mother.

 

Skywalker. Kylo couldn't kill her when she was a kid (and we was a teenager). Instead he sent her into obscure exile. Luke knew she was alive (could feel it), but could not find her.