ST Is the Force Awakens really a "safe" film?

Dude, if you are going to try and be snarky and use a pejorative term, us the right one. It is SJW.
For me, it was a about time we had someone besides a white guy as the hero in a Star Wars film. But it was a risk for a franchise that skews (or at least skewed) heavily white male. That's just the facts. Fortunately, most of the world has moved on and Rey and Finn are hits.

 

The complainers are a very small minority in general. That of course doesn't make them wrong..... however claims of a "divided fandom" are just absurd.

I think that's probably pretty frustrating to some of the people who didn't care for the film

 

JJ talks about ripping off ANH and admits it was intentional

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Of course it was intentional. I don't think that's a secret at all... it was a feature, not a bug

 

Yep - I liked the Tibetan one as well...

 

I think there is more they can do with waterways (like the junk city that was surrounded by water). I love the idea of exploring the sunken wreck of the Death Star but maybe you could switch it out to something else? I feel like a good water battle (be that in boats of some kind or underwater) would be something pretty fresh.

 

Well, the closest thing to a water battle in TFA was when the X-Wings skimmed that lake near Maz's castle before attacking the TIE Fighters... But yeah, an underwater fight in the ruins of the Second Death Star would be something really cool, in Episode 8!

 

Yes.

Ford wanted Solo to die. They gave the world a female force user stronger than anyone else at her stage. They made the defecting stormtrooper a comedic character rather than an interesting and compelling co-lead. The dark sider was Anakin 2.0, Starkiller was the Death Star. Phasma a watered down Boba Fett. And way too many call backs / nostalgia.

Indeed, it's safe.

 

The bolded is all nonsense.... but I will agree with you on SKB and Phasma... didn't care for either.

 

-Which sets up for an interesting and NEW dynamic with her moving forward. Also her being the most powerful is debatable.
-You seem to be very much in the minority with Finn, by a lot. I found him plenty compelling/interesting.
-No he's not. A few similarities, sure, but not the same character.
-All of those are intentional themes.

 

LOL this thread.

 

What are you talking about? I said liked and Finn and Rey. I just said it was not a risk. It would of been a bigger risk to cast a white male as the lead. They would of been slammed by whiny people like you if they didn't. I'm glad they did for varietys sake, but doing it to appease small vocal minority of whiners and cry babies then no. They should just follow the story and see where it goes, without shoehorning stuff in because of pressure put on them from outside influences. I think the main reason they cast white males in roles like this, is because white males are usually bigger fans of genres like this, or it could be a chicken or the egg thing. We shall see if SW gains a more diverse fan base soon enough.

 

No, it would not have been a bigger risk to cast a white male as the lead.

 

No it wouldn't have been, that's nonsense. If that we're the case, then we wouldn't still have White males getting the lead roles in these types of films, while females and POC are much less frequent. And it keeps happening despite the controversies.

 

THIS!

 

This idea that it would have been risky and bold to go with a white male lead is so preposterous that I cannot believe it is being espoused by more than one person on these boards. Did Guardians of the Galaxy get torn to shreds for having a white, male lead? Did Jurassic World? Did Avatar? Did any of the other big blockbuster films of the past three decades that made loads of money?

Face it: a female lead AND a black lead, for an international blockbuster, was NOT the safe choice. It was a bold choice. This strange twilight zone you live in, where white males are an oppressed underclass, doesn't exist.

 

This, people who complain about everything about PC are getting just as annoying as extreme feminist who say he need this many female characters and this many minority characters

 

Wow. If you read the "Art of Force Awakens" book, there are pages and pages explaining the creative process Rick Carter led that are full of imagination and vision. His guided vision sessions, and a wealth of other great ideas, are there on those pages. And there's a lot to choose from. Yet, you pick from that treasure trove one quote that confirms one of the reasons you dislike TFA.

At least you're honest in your cherry-picking, I suppose...

 

If you're interested, Chris Stuckmann (a known online reviewer) just posted an analysis of the film today, and it's rather insightful I think.

 

Of course not! The version I saw emitted so much radiation that most of the audience were cooked alive. I'm in hospice care now, and I only have three months to live.

 

Thanks for the heads up, I actually follow his reviews.

 

It's a remake of a previous SW films.
The characters would be doing the same thing they were doing in the film this one is taking it's story from.

Again, remake.
They are redoing the what the characters were like in ANH.

Having Luke with Jedis and Leia and Han fine would NOT be "safe" because that means new writing.
Plus let's not ignore the fact that Ford wanted out.

A Skywalker turning to the dark side is something that we have never seen in SW???????

If we actually had a that stormtrooper switch sides.
What we got was a comedic sidekick that was a ST.
I keep seeing people mentioning that we finally get to see behind the mask and what did we see about being a ST?
Nothing. He was just a joker. We get a couple of lines about how ST work now but that's about it.

We've seen female Jedis before. Dont see how this is a big thing.

It's a remake.
The point of a remake is to redo the previous film for a new set of eyes.
The remake will also drive fans of the franchise back to see it. Not like that matter, anyway, cause it's SW.
And that's the big issue, its SW.
They could've actually put anything out and it would've made a lot of money but they didnt.
They just remade ANH and threw in the new characters they are going to use.

They actually didnt do anything that was daring.

 

It's called The Force Awakens and the Star Wars Formula btw.

 

Having spent some time in Tibet, the architecture of Maz's, the interior, the atmosphere of the place, and the music, all have something of a Tibetan vibe to them, without being overt (and that vibe is mixed with other influences, including South Asian, Mongolian and Jamaican). So, I think the Tibetan concept survived in the final film.

There are some excellent concepts that didn't make it into the final film. And there are excellent concepts that did. And then there are some ugly concepts that I'm glad didn't make it in - many of which came from the brush of Ryan Church, not surprisingly (for me). The red destroyers being one of them.

One concept I would like to see, at some point, is a water "junk planet." That was a very interesting one, with scavengers roaming around on boats and such, with submerged destroyers, AT-ATs, etc., all around them. Still happy with that concept being transferred to a desert environment (which looked fantastic), but would love to see something like the water version in subsequent films.

 

It's more "safe" than "unsafe", IMO. But there is the more diverse cast, and Han dies, and none of the Big 3 have really had things progress for them after RotJ, as far as we can tell, so it's not like it didn't try doing different things.

But, I didn't think it was enough. It kind of ends up feeling like a modern, tweaked version of "A New Hope". Not something I wanted...