ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

There is a line about a raw and primal voice commanding her to kill Kylo...the audio book confirms the voice belongs to Snoke... I was able to fill in some story gaps from the novel but am also left with many questions....such as who is the boy at the end of the passage of Rey's lightsaber vision- Annakin or Ben Solo maybe?

 

I agree, but we need to see something come from Snoke's training and Kylo killing Han Solo. He needs to come back fully immersed in the darkside. Then when we get to IX, you can start the redemption.

 

This boy was not in the movie version of the vision? Can't recall

 

Sure there are, and I really hope she isn't. It'd be awesome to have a non-Skywalker Force user again. But I've got a feeling she is.

 

She was left in the care of, what's the name, Unkar Pluut? and the Max Von Sydow character. Seemingly not the best of caretakers, but we don't really know that story yet.

 

What would be more interesting is if Rey sacrifices herself and joins the dark side to save the lives of the members of the resistance....it will be similar to the descent into the underworld to rescue someone (like one finds in Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek, Norse mythology).....and she will bring Kylo back to the light....for one things, it would follow the rules of Campbell's Hero with a thousand faces, the basis of the SW tales.... and the scene of Rey descending to the basement of Maz's castle could be an indirect allusion to what is to come in later episodes...

 

100% agree. It becomes boring that people compare systematically a Kylo/Rey story with these two awful/poorly written stories.Literature has often portrayed complicated relationships without making the woman a poor victim . Once again, Rey doesn't need to be submitted/stupid/naive to develop an emotional connection with Kylo. We're not talking about a cute romance. We're talking about two people
who could learn about themselves through the bond they share.

 

It was in the novel....Rey sees a boy at the end of a corridor and runs towards him but doesn't reach him...after this, she sees Luke and Vader fighting...and then the temple burning...

 

if we take it in chronological order...then the boy would be Ani...but that would contradict with seeing the temple slaughter vision, then Rey on Jakku next...So it could all be mixed up really...and someone mentioned what if the vision in the rain with the KOR might be a premonition of the future where Ben saves Rey.... but I'm convinced the boy is Ani...the force seems to be showing Rey glimpses of past, present and future...

 

I'd believe this scenario if Kylo was Rey's brother, but he's not. As of right now, there's not enough emotional investment between the two for Rey to risk her life for Kylo like that.

 

The descent into the underworld scenario has been played out between lovers, parent and child, fellow heroes...lots of people.......as to the emotional investment, I think it will develop in episode 8....I still am not saying it has to be romantic...but definitely a very deep bond....

 

Would it be enough emotional attachment when she's doing it for her new family (Luke and Leia) and not personally for Ben? Im asking your opinion on this coz I get that there's no concrete evidence yet for Rey to attach herself to Kylo Ren..We're left to conjecture and imagination on Rey's motives.

I can imagine Rey doing whatever she can to end Luke andLeia's suffering and honor Han's sacrifice by trying to bring back Ben. She's never had a family to love and care for, and she just seems the type to give her all for her family now.

 

I wondered the same thing actually....maybe it was a glimpse of a young Annakin (maybe when he first made the blue lightsaber)...I also felt the rain scene might be in the future....maybe how we will be introduced to the knights of ren? I read somewhere that the warrior being killed is a clan leader (though I thought he looked a lot like the fifth brother)... if he is anything like the fifth brother, then it could be a scenario where Kylo saves Rey's life...

 

i'd love to discuss some more since I'm enjoying the recent topic..but it's 2:30 am..and i gotta sleep. goodnight y'all!

 

Finding out more of Rey's history will help a lot, that's for sure! And it will confirm the Rey Kenobi theory, which'll be nice.

 

I think it's likely that Rey and Kylo will have a very signifigant interaction/relationship going foward.

Part of liking the "Reylo" dynamic is that (for me at least), it has the potential to develop in many possible directions. Some romantic, some familial, some adversarial. I just hope it doesn't end as the last option.

I want to see them grow beyond enemies divided by the Force.

 

Why can't Luke be the one to do it?

For me, it would work better for Rey if Kylo was her brother. He's not so that scenario just doesn't work for me at all. There's no emotional attachment there whatsoever.

 

I'm thinking they're cousins...that would remove any romantic link, but may also inspire her not to kill him since he's family, but to try to bring him back to the light.

 

Actually, this idea of Rey choosing to bring Kylo back for Leia and to honor Han's sacrifice sounds like the exact opposite of Rey based on what we saw of her personality. She longs for family because she didn't have one, and she forgives her family for leaving her. Kylo had a loving family, including a father that risked his life and then died just to tell Kylo he loves him and forgives him. Kylo chose to reject his loving family and execute his father so he could be evil. Rey watched that unfold, and her reaction wasn't to try and continue down Han's path of convincing Kylo to go home and be a good guy. Her reaction, which fits her character, was to call Kylo a "monster" and then be tempted to execute him based on her hatred and anger toward him pulling her to the darkside. She doesn't relate to Kylo, or empathize with him. Quite the contrary, in fact, Kylo is the embodiment of what she loathes.

 

Why bother having Rey as a main character if Luke is going to be the one interacting with the antagonist?

 

I think Luke has already made his hero's journey in the OT....and I think this trilogy is the story of a new generation.

Secondly, it might work for you having them as brother and sister.....but in the classical tales, the scenario is inclusive of a lot of relationships...and as I said before, we've just been introduced to the characters....we've yet to learn more about them to find out if any emotional attachments form...that can only be determined after watching at least episode 8.

 

Ok, so I'm going to put my devils advocate hat on.

What if ultimately, Kylo turns out to be just a really evil, irredeemable guy? Like, he hates Rey for scarring him and humiliating him, he's jealous of her for taking the saber he thought was meant for him... he kills Leia because he feels that killing Han didn't make him powerful enough or because he's completely under the thrall of Snoke and does whatever he orders him to do. He leads his Knights of Ren on a rampage killing more innocents, causing more destruction.

What I'm saying is, is his redemption the sole thing that is making you interested in the character, or does a villain being a villain hold some appeal for you all? Keep in mind I doubt they would go this extreme with Kylo, it's just a hypothetical I'm posing.

 

To be frank, I have based my judgement of Kylo Ren on what I understood of him in TFA (film and novel).... however, if he actually turns out to be the crazy maniac you describe (which I too feel would never happen).... at that time, I would be open minded enough to admit I was wrong in my assessment of him.... but it all depends on what happens in the sequels.

 

Somebody mentioned Miyazaki (that Rey resembles Nausicaa, which I sort of agree with http://www.prekindle.com/image/id/23496345885499426) a few pages back, but I have an even better example for Miyazaki inspiration - the wizard Howl from Miyazaki's wonderful "Howl's Moving Castle"...Of course Howl is much less darker, but still pretty dark and lost...I still do find some points of reference of a dark anti-hero who has lost his way in pursuit of gaining magical powers (and sort of turns into a monster) but is brought back at the end because of love...

So, just putting it out there...



If you haven't watched this movie, well you should (but I'm imagining pretty much everyone here has probably seen it...?)