ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Leaving the droid behind and taking the girl was a human error on Kylos part, he went in looking and expecting to bring in the droid but got sidetracked. If he had just taken the droid there would be no way the resistence could get that map...I dont think anyone could get it out of Rey's mind...I'm pretty sure Leia never trained as a jedi and couldn't perform mind probes....Kylo should have known the droid would fall into enemy hands...

 

Very nicely written and amazing info....

 

Such a cute picture! Thank you for that!

I'm betting he did. Illusions and Sith Sorcery are something explored in TCW with Yoda when he was on his quest. Various illusions showed up talking to him trying to tempt him from the work of Dooku and Sidios. If Snoke could do that, then he could have easily convinced a young impressionable Ben that he is his grandfather wanted him to go to the darkside to help him grow stronger for some reason. Snoke seems like the type that would use things like that, given that in the Script after Ben left the room where Snoke talked to him early on, he gives this sarcastic nasty smile that seems to indicate he's got him in a trap.

Yes, becoming disillusioned with Snoke would certainly be a thing, and no, he has to do something to pay for what he did, question is who makes the Judgement. When it came to Kyp after his rampage it was Luke and the Jedi order that decided. In this case is it Luke too since he's the main Jedi Master? Or is it Leia and the Resistance that makes the final call?

 

well..when you're in a hurry you wouldn't want less able people doing that work for you....I still say he could have done it in about 5 seconds, instead of wasting all that time...He wanted Poe to be in pain

 

It was definitely a bad call, but it's one that makes sense.

Kylo just probed Rey's mind and discovered she didn't know where BB8 had gone, but she'd seen the map.
Kylo then get's a report that their losing the battle.
He figures he's got what he needs in her head and it's just as good as the map itself. So he takes her away.

In his mind he's got what he needs to find Luke and even if the Resistance gets the BB unit, they can just destroy the system.

 

He made a point of stating that he was remarkably resistant to their mind probe. Kylo just didn't feel like doing it because he had, frankly perfectly able people capable of getting the information out for themselves, Poe just happened to be an outlier. It's a case of "If you want something done right, you've gotta do it yourself." Also in his mind he doesn't have limited time, it's not like he was expecting FN127 to break Poe free or for BB8 to even be able to get off Jakku.

 

Yes! That's exactly it. Ben can see those planets and he'd have access to the location of all the info from the imperials. He uses this to add to the missing part of the data, and boom he has Luke. For what purpose, we don't know, but he has Luke.

 

Do you guys see the similar?

 

of course he wasn't expecting a breakout, but the most important thing was that map..it could have been anywhere, the longer it takes the more difficult it would be to track down, which means they only have limited time....if Kylo had got the information sooner, he could have gotten to it sooner...

 

Well because that wouldn't really accomplish anything. Vader tortured Han with the purpose of drawing out Luke.

I compare Kylo watching Rey to a kid on Christmas Eve looking at his presents under the tree. He's finally got the map in his mind and once it comes to getting the information from Rey he quickly goes to tormenting her because he disregards her as just a scavenger.

 

So he sent his mind droid and his men to get the info from him. I don't know why you think that he was going to assume Poe wouldn't break, he didn't even know who he was. For all he knew Poe was just a Resistance grunt who'd break in 5 minutes.

 

Totally agree.....and torture of the female protagonist isn't a new concept in SW universe.....remember Leia and the painful injection Vader gave her? What is very evident in both the film and the novel is that Kylo Ren was treating her much more delicately than he would a normal prisoner...the reason could be mere interest/curiosity or something more....we can only find that out as the story evolves.

 

I wrote my take on the Finn/Rey thread if you wanna read it DSM.

But just as a general statement, I don't want any characters to be superficial props. I just want the story arcs to make logical and emotional sense.

 

I don't remember any mention of a mind droid...I thought the stormtroopers were just beating him up, and trying to get information from him the old fashioned way....and Kylo knew Poe was the best pilot in the resistance...so he found out something about him

 

I thought the issue many of these people have with the Rey and Kylo Ren relationship was that it would be dark and disturbing....and the option of fridging a new love interest so that the guy run to the other girl is not?

 

If you look behind Kylo Ren there's one of those droids from ANH Vader used on Leia. It was one of the many call backs that could be found throughout the film. I don't blame you for not noticing at all, it was dark in the room, and it is a black ball that floats.

 

Torment? The novel (since film imagery can sometimes be ambiguous) clearly states that even Rey knows that he is being unexpectedly gentle with her.

 

Yeah, when she was in tears because he was jabbing at her deepest most personal emotions of recurring suffering, I'd say he's tormenting her. Again though it makes sense he'd be gentle with the thing he's been after the entire film.

 

i like those ideas...

right now i'm craving a bit of stuff with the knights of ren. that could be fun.

 

Apparently it's a good way to build drama and conflict. I'm pretty sure this will probably explode on tumblr or other places where the girl gets attacked for being in the way of the ship. That's why I'm wondering how well Reylo fans would take it if Ben got together with someone else, or a villain.

zero_point_zero, thank you for that, I know that not everyone in the Rey/finn group wants to see the new character used as such, I just have a substantial fear of Fans getting upset and then insisting that a character needs to be gotten rid of for a ship to keep sailing as it were.

 

oh cool,I guess I didn't notice it. There's no mention of a droid in the novel though, it just describes stromtroopers coming in and beating him up over the course of an entire day.......

 

Not really I wouldn't say Rey looks anything short of terrified. Even the cinematography shrouds Kylo in shadow and red light signifying his dark presence, while Rey is cast in bright light to symbolize her purity. I could make the same meme honestly with Finn taking off his helmet when revealing himself to Poe, that would actually have more in common in terms of shot structure.

 

i really like the way the shot is set up. she is entering the belly of the beast kinda. and i wondered what went through han's mind at that stage.

 

I'm crossing my finger that the Knights come into play during the next movie. I wonder if they're even alive. Ancient zombie warriors that are called forth to fight with the Jedi, that would qualify as weird wouldn't it. How long do you think the the Knights of Ren have been active?

 

If it's in the novel it happened as well, but it's a safe bet he used the ball droid too since the movie is after all the movie.