ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

"It's a fine line between love and hate"

Love between cousins is more common that you might think...

 

Darkspellmaster
I think that I would only ship them in an AU where they weren't related.

I feel like context can matter when there's romance between cousins and other non-immediate family members, but this context wouldn't really be quite enough for me.

I don't think I'll ever be able to dislike the Reylo pairing, though.

 

where I come from in South Asia, cousin marriages used to happen a lot, but are now rare...its not something that's completely frowned upon, but it's discouraged by the medical community due to health risks, I know some distant relatives of mine who are cousins and are married, their only son was born with a genetic disorder and died a few years ago. Cousins becoming couples is not really my thing though ..but I'd still ship Reylo

 

I'll put my response to your post in the debate thread.

 

Depending on degree of relationship, it's also illegal.

(One hopes it would be illegal in the GFFA. The incest jokes were bad enough in the OT).

 

Tbh, as a historical romance fan and ASOIAF (incest galore, with one of the most popular fan couples being a nephew/aunt pair in an already really incesty family) fan, then being cousins wouldn't be a deal breaker per se, but within the SW universe? Yeah, not happening. I can always enjoy AU fics.

Changing Kylo the villian to Ben would have such major far reaching story consequences, I can't even imagine how that would play out. And besides, the intriguing relationship we have now would be totally different too.

 

Yes you're right (esp. // Mary & Matthew in DA + Western literature in general), people worldwide seem to forget that a few decades ago marrying your cousin was utterly normal.

I personally know that it's still the case in MENA countries; in my culture marrying your cousin is not incest, actually it's on the internet that I discovered that it was regarded as something creepy. I was quite very surprised.

But since Disney is based on American values we'll have to say goodbye to Reylo if they end up to be cousins. (the same applies for Europe, I think)

 

Well, considering my argument for BenRey involves Rey not being a Skywalker, if she is a Skywalker that pretty much kills the argument.

 

I wouldn't encourage it either (marriage between cousins - for the same reasons you developed), but if they turn out to be cousins our ship will become a dream...

Edit: Besides, Reylo has become my favorite pairing ever (& I never watched/read all this 50 SoG + Twilight stuff) so yeah it would sadden me, a lot.

 

you know, I honestly don't think they're related....I really really don't think they are....

 

Have you heard about this actress (Geraldine James) who will play a character in Episode VIII? She's 65 and Mark Hamill is 64, I fear you-know-what :[

 

I'm still reading the essay, but wanted to comment on this. I'm sure some would continue to ship: those for whom incest is not really taboo, or those for whom it is taboo, but who don't care about convention.

On a personal level, I'd be the first to jump ship. Cannot condone inbreeding with all we know about the role of genetics in illness, especially mental illness.

People keep quoting royal marriages to make a point about inbreeding being acceptable, but recall the royal genetic pool is not the healthiest to take a dip in. I'm rusty on specifics, but I believe that the rate of birth defects is twice as high in the children of first cousins as compared to the children of unrelated parents. It's still a tiny percentage, something like 5%, but it's twice as high.

I guess I'm weird in that way, because I'd much rather see two people raised as siblings but not genetically related become a couple (see Marcia and Greg Brady) than to see people with a minor degree of consanguinity who grew up as strangers procreate.

 

Do you guys think they could repeat the same thing they did with Luke & Leia? After what they have shown us in TFA? (all those suble clues regarding myths/symbols etc.)

 

The Luke/Leia thing is probably going to happen with Finn and Rey. Not that they're brother/sister, but that they tease them together, only for Rey to end up with someone else.

 

If Rey's a Skywalker, then It's not the 'profoundly satisfying' answer we were promised....

 

I wouldn't be satisfied either, a few days ago I've read a comment on YT saying "If she's a Skywalker I'll walk out of the theater." | I kinda feel them.

 

That would be interesting....maybe their visits to the other person's mind might be unwittingly done but then they will start interacting and maybe Rey will find out about Kylo's past and what turned him to the dark side....or the FO's plans against the resistance...

The more I read TFA novel, I feel that maybe Kylo never actually met her in the past....she first sees Kylo in the force vision killing the clan warrior and walking in the forest....maybe he had a vision of her and that is why he went bonkers when the FO officer mentioned a girl travelling with the droid....also, when the lightsaber goes to her in their last battle, he says "It is you" or something similar...maybe like her vision of him walking among the trees with a lightsaber, he has seen her holding Annakin's blue lightsaber....and when they first met, he was finding it hard to imagine that a scavenger girl was the same girl as the one in his vision....

I was mulling over the working title of episode 8 - Space Bear.....I have a theory that someone is going to be frozen in carbonite......be put into hibernation (hence the bear reference)... what I feel is going to happen is this-

Rey will train with Luke, and Kylo with Snoke or someone similar.....but they will meet at a mind level and after initial hostility, might actually be friends/get close.....the FO will obviously be seeking revenge for what happened on the planet....and Snoke would be trying to get hold of Rey.....maybe he will exploit Kylo's bond by telling him about his plans to attack the resistance knowing that Rey will find out about it.

The FO might actually corner the resistance somewhere, and a big terribly fight might be taking place.....based on Rey's knowledge, Luke and Rey arrive at the place to help the resistance...

Then, I think Snoke/ one of the knights of Ren will tell her that she has to surrender or they'll destroy the resistance completely ...so to save others, she might surrender...and they'll freeze her in carbonite to take her unharmed to Snoke (in Episode 5, Luke was supposed to be frozen but it didn't happen so this time they might so the inverse)...

I also predict Kylo will be upset that his connection with Rey was used to capture her and he'll try to oppose it.... that is when the FO people/knights of Ren/Snoke might injure him (cut his hand like what happened to Luke?) and leave him behind for Luke and the resistance to deal with (Han's words about Snoke destroying Kylo will come true- Snoke’s using you for your power, manipulating your abilities. When he’s gotten everything he wants out of you, he’ll crush you. Toss you aside.)

This would be a dark turn of events and they'll leave us once again up in the air with a lot of questions till 2019- will Luke and the resistance punish or spare Kylo? Will Kylo turn good? Will Rey go to the dark side?

 

I feel the background that would appeal to the majority would be to make her a Kenobi....and an interesting twist would be to make her a Palpatine (or both)... making her a Skywalker would just be too simple a solution...

 

I want Rey to be a Jinn, but I'm biased, because Qui-Gon is my favorite character.
(and Rey Jinn sounds funny)

 

I don't think anyone needs to worry about the cousins angle. If Rey was Luke's daughter it would have been said in TFA. I firmly believe JJ left things open-ended because having her as Luke's is too 'on the nose' and, dare I say, boring for the trilogy. You can't use it as a twist either because to most people it wouldn't feel like a real twist, unlike the Vader ESB reveal... Rey's origins are going to be original and way more interesting, we'll see.

So...this leaves Reylo to run its full course. A nice spin on things would be if it were Kylo experiencing sexual awakening moreso than Rey. That he has never been close to a girl before, or even had feelings of this kind until now, and this in itself screws up his path toward true acceptance of the Dark. His feelings toward Rey should be seen by him as the Light corrupting him in a way he doesn't fully understand. In TFA he seems completely aware that Han's death at his hands will take him down the Dark path, as though this is something he had already discussed with Snoke. But with Rey...the way she has now taken up permanent residence in his head (is the way I like to look at it) and where the mere thought of her takes him...what it does to his mind, and body...the conflict far outweighs the 'test' he faced with his father.

I want to see Kylo and Rey face off in VIII with Rey going to him, daring him to kill her as he did Han...and him totally breaking down, because his love for this girl has become more powerful than anything. For both of them it is love infused with the Force, and the Force 'wills' it to be, for the bond not to be severed, as though the universe depends on their union; something neither of them can deny or break free of. They then consummate their love between VIII & IX (realistically, it can't be shown in a SW movie...) and IX begins with Ben turned back, ready to continue the Skywalker line and 'finish' what his grandfather started. What Anakin started, not Vader.

 

I think Luke and Leia were innocent. I personally don't mind cousins together, but since most people mind, I think it would be weird. I'll be super creeped out if they are siblings.

 

I couldn't agree more. We don't want any mentally impaired kids running around.

 

I really doubt this will end up happening although I will admit I do somewhat ship Reylo. Their scenes in TFA are the best.

 

Lol... this might come across as a bit strange, but I have no issue with they become a couple and are cousins....definitely not if they're brother and sister though....that would be simply wrong....

 

Wow, interesting theories! I really, really like the first bolded part. I used to think that Kylo Ren knew Rey or knew OF her. There's too many clues pointing to this for it to be otherwise. More and more I'm thinking that he hadn't actually met her or heard of her, but that he had felt her through the force - the awakening he sensed - so when someone said to him "a girl was with the droid" he reacts like "What. GIRL?" Meaning "the girl I sense through the force??"

But I like your theory more. Just as Rey saw Kylo in her vision before actually meeting him, he may have seen her in visions. In that sense the scene where he's staring at her dumbfounded, probably thinking "The girl of my dreams!" takes on a new layer of meaning. Like, literally. n_n

As for the second bolded part: I don't think Rey will go fully dark. Not after the rewrites. I think Disney won't risk losing money on merch. Little girls are counting on Rey, you know? I do think she will be tempted; perhaps by Snoke, or perhaps by Kylo Ren himself. I'd rather Snoke do it. I'd rather Kylo Ren be on her side; maybe that's what it will take for him to turn against Snoke. Has he ever been called on to protect anyone before?

I keep going to Rey's vision. There is a moment where it looks like Kylo Ren is protecting her, killing someone that appeared to be about to kill her. I think this will actually happen in episode VIII or IX.