ST The relationship between Finn and Rey. SEE FIRST POST WARNING

What? So Finn just takes that L without redeeming himself?

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Luke02 at the end of the day Kylo Ren will share a fate much more tragic, and have a golem like ending. Killing himself for more power

 

I think Kylo will go out like Vader as well. Like Vader, Kylo won't be able to kill his opponent (Rey) in the middle installment and ultimately will sacrifice himself killing Snoke (who been torturing him all along since he was extremely little) to protect her. I do think there could be a romantic thread in there though. It won't play out like Twilight or anything like that but I can easily see Kylo developing feelings for her like what might had been. I also see her growing "feelings". Maybe not romantic in nature but more sympathetic.

I firmly believe that they have a force connection thanks to the interrogation scene (which IMO it will be the most important scene in the trilogy) which is why Rey suddenly went from force novice to Jedi wizard. She tapped into his mind. It's like HP meets The Matrix when they plug Neo in:



Therefore in Episode VIII and IX not only will they be able to communicate via the force like Vader and Luke, they will look into each other's souls (they already have). And Rey is going to see how much poor Ben was bleep with by Snoke. It's almost the point the kid never stood a chance especially if (my opinion) Snoke made Kylo believe he was actually talking to Vader's ghost. She will see he is not this monster deep down but instead this messed up and scared kid who was pulled about until he snapped. And she will be the only one that believes in it. Not his mother and uncle will either.

Edit: I also don't think they have the ba!!s to do the romantic thread even if it's just a hint of it but I love it if they did. It show some backbone and for once be about story telling instead of seeing how many toys you can sell. But it's Disney so they won't do it.

 

Agreed.

I'm personally not ruling adoption/clan-association out.

But she'll have his last name.

While I agree that Finn should be the one to get revenge...I really don't know if it's gonna happen. Traditional storytelling you'd think it would be him to overcome Kylo...but I get a sense that LF doesn't have that in store, mostly because they were fine writing him the way they did in TFA.

Seems like he's destined to hold that L....

Hell, if he has FS? Maybe. If not.... Ehh...cool your jets.

They aren't going to ruin Rey by making her weepy over the villain. This trilogy is about making her a strong feminist icon.

I'm willing to bet that Kylo chops off one of her hands in Episode 8.

 

Guess so, man...I mean, according to everyone else, we're gonna see Rey/Kylo II and III in Eps VIII and IX, while Finn deals with Captain Phasma by putting her in SKB 2 and 3's trash compactors over and over since he still can't manage to find and/or hold on to his blaster that keeps disappearing. "I'm STILL in charge, Phasma!" he says each time before he puts her in a garbage chute or trash compactor.

 

I have a theory the Snoke got shami Skywalker pregnant using the force.

 

Am not sure it is going to be Finn V Kylo folks, sorry. Sure Finn will probably have some more interaction with Kylo but I think at the full conclusion its going to be Rey and Kylo. Don't go mad at me saying that, people have gotten upset with me saying that in the past, I just think the way with the film was set up and the merchandise its pointing in that direction.

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Oh no, it can't be!

Please tell me you aren't a Snoke = Plagueis guy!!!

 

Wait, what? I'm so confused by the logic of this post. You think Rey is definitely not a Skywalker because some random people somewhere think that would make her character weak? Are you talking about people in Disney, or tumblr users?

If Rey isn't a Skywalker, the imagery that intentionally paralleled her story with both Anakin's and Luke's is a major wtf. The vast majority of average ticket buyers think she's probably Luke's kid and they don't think she's weak. Is there some kind of brilliant Disney business strategy in mass misdirection?

 

There is no way Disney will touch the whole Space Baby Jesus story line. Not after how much people did not like that in TPM. Even TPM lovers must admit that did not go over well with the general public at all hence why it was dropped like a bad habit going forward (chosen part stayed in but not Space Baby Jesus). They are not bringing up those warts hence why JJ and the filmmakers were very clear that Rey has family IE real parents. I do think Snoke will be tied into the PT somehow with Darth Plageius being the most obvious choice.

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I didn't say that is the reason why she won't be a Skywalker. I just said it was one of many including Disney clearing wanting to move away from the Skywalker saga. I also think it's the silliest reason for what it's worth.

 

The most outrageous one I've seen is snoke is palpatine lmao.

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The more I read reylo, the more apparent the Adam driver obsession becomes. Especially with their more recent posts. Can't help but be skeptical of their comments when they seem so motivated by just Adam Driver sometimes.

 

Okay, so you literally did mean tumblr users. Their minority opinion, regardless of how vocal it is, will have zero impact on whether Disney makes Rey a Skywalker.

If Disney wants to move away from the Skywalker saga, then they do and you're right. I'm not convinced though. LF certainly doesn't give the impression that that's their perspective, and if it was, they should have "moved away" from setting up Rey using every bit of Skywalker imagery they could imagine. Moving away from the Skywalkers, presumably, could have involved completely creative and new heroes.

 

Yes their voice matters. Disney does not want to offend anyone since it could *God forbid* it could effect toy sales. Cannot have that.

And they pretty done everything to spell it out. Iger's comments the other day really were a huge indicator. The fact he did not say "eventually we will release Episode X" says volumes on top of everything else that has come out of there. Clearly they want to move away from the Skywalker story and have since they threw George's story tree for all twelve episodes in the garbage.

 

We prefer Reylo for our own reasons that actually have nothing to do with Adam Driver. It's motivated by character development...believe it or not

You know, based on the majority of comments on the Reylo thread, I'd say most of us Reylo shippers are not anti-FinnRey. We just prefer Reylo. I can't speak for everyone, I don't see every comment made, but that is general idea. Why is it though that reylo shippers get a lot of crap? We're labeled as crazy fangirls and sickos? Why is that? I don't think it's fair to blatantly judge us especially when we really don't know each other.

 

Tumblr has a very high opinion of itself I have noticed.

If Rey was planned from the beginning to be a Skywalker, she'll be a Skywalker. If she wasn't, she won't. Rabid fans online that mostly come from one very specific demographic have no say in it. Tumblr users make up a fraction of a percent of ticket buyers. Overall, the public thinks it's likely Rey is a Skywalker, and overall the public is fine with that. It's not like we're talking about turning our badass heroine into a plot point for a Skywalker's redemption. Now that I could see being controversial.

i don't know what Iger said that you're referring to, but your spin on the Episode X comment is unconvincing to me.

 

I've tried to interact with Reylo fans about the character development this offers Rey, and all I got back was, "they'll figure it out in the next movie." Do you actually have a Rey based character reason that supports this? I mean, based on the Rey we got to know in TFA?

 

Ship who you like, many of us just believe that reyloers want that dark fantasy stuff that likely isn't going to happen in star wars ever. Ik a lot of reyloers aren't anti finn rey, but many also are, just remember, but other than that, ship happily however you want!

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I think some people want it to be play out in a very traditional manner and others want to see it go off the rails and try to do something great. I also think it's because some of us find villains more interesting then heroes. I know I do. I freely admit villains to me are often more interesting then their hero counterparts. That is what made Vader so great. Finding out about the guy behind the mask and seeing his story truly take over the OT was much more interesting then Luke's journey even though I am fan of Luke's. Same applies for the ST. Finding out about the guy behind the mask and his see hist story take over the ST would be more interesting then Rey's journey even though I like Rey so far quite a bit.

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We really did not get to know Rey in TFA at all. It was more of a "introduction for dummies" when it came to the new big three (Kylo got a bit more expose via his parents but not much). Character development was not something JJ wanted to focus on. And out of three, we know the least about Rey. Finn and Poe their backgrounds is greyish but we have a general outline. Rey we are pretty much in the dark where she comes from and stuff.

Plenty of room for Rian to operate which is why I am so hopeful (realistically) for Episode VIII.

Edit: Go look at how much the script for TFA changed. They could change it if they wanted to. But there will be no need because Disney has been planning the break away from the Skywalker story since 2013 when they took George's story and essentially got rid of them.

https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2016...lms-past-the-force-awakens-and-promises-more/

Really not hard to read between the lines either especially when you look at EVERYTHING that has happened over the past few years including how TFA was marketed without the episode attach at every single possible turn. Unless you believe JJ baloney about it being a homage to the 1977 marketing...which of course there was no subtitle of A New Hope attach to it since that didn't come until 1979. Oppss JJ!

 

I'm not going to say I'm not.

 

Well yes it is speculative. How does anyone know what's going to happen? There are two more movies left, so much can happen no? I don't think that's any reason to outright dismiss us. We could be way off, you guys could be way off, who knows. There's nothing wrong with theorizing is there?

I think the point of this movie was to show who Rey is, a very kind hearted person, and Kylo, a villain with major issues. These are their starting points. The next two movies are left to see how they change. I'm sure whatever happens, it'll be epic. We're just interested in seeing particular trajectory, that's all really.

My opinion based on Rey: Rey hates Kylo obviously. But she is also a good person, and I sense she's one of those people who will fight for anyone who wants a chance. If she does sense that Kylo Ren has light in him, I think, after much thinking and going back and forth in her head, she'll help him. That doesn't make her weak though, not by a long shot. And it doesn't mean she'll fall for him either. And we've said this a million times, giving him a chance doesn't equate he's forgiven for all his sins. I think the questions of morality and ethics are really interesting and it'd be cool to see on screen.

 

I have seen at least one person say that FinnRey doesn't work because Rey is too good for Finn. So what does Reylo say about Rey's character?

Oh, poor Ben. Fell to the dark side but its not his fault. He is actually a nice person behind all the murdering. All he needs is a nice girl at his side and everything is going to be okay. I don't find it so easy to differentiate Ben and Kylo. In my mind, they are the same person. He is not some project for Rey to fix.

 

The actors did say the script was darkk, so be prepared
I just don't want people to make assumptions and reduce us to little fangirls obsessed with vampires and crap. We genuinely think Reylo can be a compelling story that everyone can enjoy. We're also not asking for a sappy dramatic-flare Romeo and Juliet type of story (I hate romeo and juliet btw).

 

Boy you've put quite an editorial spin on that article. I'm unconvinced by your conviction. It seems like you are pulling things out of thin air, frankly.

As for Rey, I disagree. We learned a lot about her. We learned that she is incredibly sentimental and forgiving where family is concerned (Skywalker trait). We learned she has so much empathy she treats droids like they're people (Skywaker trait). We learned that Rey yearned to leave Jakku and see the galaxy (Skywalker trait). We learned that Reyis a bit dorky in having idols (Skywalker trait). We learned that Rey still has naive, childlike qualities. We learned that Rey has an extreme weakness for loyalty. We learned that Rey is brave and fights courageously for her friends (Skywaker trait). We learned that she thinks Kylo Ren is a monster and was tempted to kill him even after he was defenseless. We learned that Rey feels an instinctual pull to the Resistance. We learned that Rey sees Luke in her future, and felt an instant connections with Han and Leia. We learned that Rey felt so bonded to Finn that she asked him not to leave with tears in her eyes and completely lit up when she learned he came back for her. We learned that Flying makes Rey so happy it makes her giddy and squeal like a child (loving flying is a Skywalker trait). We learned that Rey doesn't value force ability as an important quality in potential friends.

We learned more than enough about Rey to conclude from a character standpoint, there is nothing appealing about Kylo Ren to her.

 

And we think you are fangirls wanting a CW story in star wars no thanks.