PT Was Qui-Gon the worse jedi ever ?

​

​

-The man who is ultimately responsible for the rise of Darth Vader, the fall of the Republic and the deaths of his fellow Jedi's. Good job.​

-Got killed by a noob sith, who was later defeated by his padawan​

- Failed in using the jedi mind trick multiple times.​

​

​

​

 

Vader could still have been indoctrinated by Palpatine without training as a Jedi first.

 

?!

Looks like someone didn't watch the movie.

 

Darth Maul is not supposed to be an "easy" opponent, for one thing. And the Jedi hadn't encountered a Sith in something like 1,000 years at that point.

I...just...no. No, I think Qui-Gon was great.

 

Why the heck are there so many new threads about Qui-Gon Jinn all of a sudden?

 

Yeah, I think this speaks miles about how Star Wars isn't very well understood by fandom i general.

 

I would argue that he is possibly the best Jedi ever.

 

The worse thread ever.

 

NO.

 

Qui-Gon was neither the best or worst Jedi ever. Like most folks, he had his good points and his not-so-good points.

 

My god, Is everyone obsessed with Liam neeson this week?

 

Qui-Gon saw the potential of Anakin and championed his training. Not putting down Obi-Wan, but I'd argue if Qui-Gon lived things could've turned out differently for Anakin.

 

The council could have refused to let anyone train Anakin, its not just Qui Gons fault, in fact if Qui Gon never died and if Palpatine never had gotten the chance to manipulate Anakin I'm sure Anakin could have been a great and honorable Jedi. Stop blaming Palpatines actions on other people.

First time I've heard anyone call Darth Maul a noob, and no. Darth Maul was powerful and got defeated by Obi Wan because Obi Wan got lucky.

Against Watto, who is a toydarian, which Watto established in the same scene as a species being immune against mind tricks. And did you forget that he used the mind trick earlier on Boss Nass ?

 

The worst part of it is that you've become mainstream

 

.....

The saddest part, your right...

 

Qui-Gon was the worst Jedi, which made him the best.

 

He was, from all the Jedi we saw in the PT, the best. The other ones were too dogmatic and arrogant in their believes and non-attachment rules. It was ultimately Qui-Gon who discovered the secret of immortality, passed this knowledge on to Obi-Wan and Yoda and therefore saved the Jedi Order from complete extinction.

 

Right... As if Qui-Gon didn't subscribe their rules and beliefs... Let's blame the Jedi for being Jedi and for following the Jedi way.

 

Qui-Gon and worst Jedi in the same sentece?

 

Yes, I think the "Jedi way" that we saw in the Prequels - celibacy, no attachments, etc. - is to blame because this was at least partially responsible for Anakins fall to the darkside. Anakin wanted to save Padmé, but he couldn't ask the Jedi for help. He even tried to talk to Yoda (without revealing his marriage to Padmé) in a scene in ROTS, but all Yoda said was that he should abandon his attachments or something like that. The Jedi didn't help him, then Palpatine told him of Plagueis and the rest is history. Had Anakin be allowed to love, then the Jedi would have helped him, and he would not have had a reason to turn to Palpatine. If Luke will finally establish a new Jedi Order somewhere in the ST, he should throw out those useless rules (maybe he already did with his first attempt). But that is a topic for a different thread.

 

Qui-Gon and Luke are tied for the position of most ideal Jedi, if you ask me.

 

No, what was responsible for Anakin's fall to the dark side was himself, the choices he made and Palpatine's manipulation. The Jedi have rules and beliefs, and they exist for a reason. If Anakin didn't want to live by those rules, he was free to leave.

And Yoda was right. As a Jedi, he should be selfless and not be attached. His attachment and fear of loss was his downfall.

Yes, they did. Not to mention that Anakin was not honest with them. Anakin didn't accept the reality of the situation and decided to make a deal with the devil. That's all on Anakin, not the Jedi.

He's allowed to love, he said so himself. Unconditional love. If he wanted to form a family and get married, he shouldn't be a Jedi. That's not being selfless.

That's child's logic.

Their rules are not useless, and it's not your inability to understand them that makes them so. Or perhaps you chose not to understand them, but the point remains.

 

I agree with most of your points Alexrd but (related to your earlier post) I think Qui-Gon was more of a Rebel than you seem to think.

I think he would have trained Anakin outside the Order, if Qui-Gon had survived and the Council still refused to make Anakin a Jedi.

 

Here's one worse.

 

I didn't choose to "not understand them". I just have a different opinion on that whole matter than you. We just have to agree to disagree then. Also, you are ignoring the entire point of the OT - it was Luke's attachment and love for his father that actually made Vader turn back to the light side (and Obi-Wan and Yoda were so sure Vader would be unredeemable - and they weren't right). So I think it is not a bad thing if a Jedi embraces emotions and love and is allowed to marry and have kids.

We have many religions in our real world where the priests are allowed to love and to have kids and it works for them. The major expectation is the Catholic Church and some parts of Buddhism. I am myself heavily against celibacy rules in real life, so I admit that my own bias plays a part in my wish that Luke should abandon that rule in his own Jedi Order.

But, as I said, that isn't the thread's topic. Let's move on.