Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds (New Trailer!)

Not unlike TAS Bruce.

 

...making it his real voice and the more jovial one his fake voice.

 

Complete with post-production sound editing too! That said, Christian Bale wishes he'd said anything anywhere near as thunderous as that while wearing the cowl. And no, "do I look like a cop?" doesn't come close. Regardless of how unfortunately silly Affleck looks in that costume, the Bat gravitas is definitely there.

 

I agree it's meta, and that's why we're getting Batman v. Superman instead of a proper Man of Steel sequel (where Superman inspires other super heroes to put on costumes) as initially planned. The backlash to Man of Steel surprised Snyder and thus incorporates Batman.

And yeah, Snyder seems to be unapologetic, like Superman and his online defenders, about the destruction in Man of Steel and it looks like Metropolis is going to be destroyed again in the collateral damage in the fight between Batman and Superman. But I don't expect Batman to say he's wrong about Superman being a threat. I think that will be pushed aside for a bigger threat, in which causes the appearance of Wonder Woman.

On a side note, Batman mistrust about the Justice League in general is the premise of Tower of Babel. Moreover, in various stories, Superman gives Batman some kryptonite in case he goes rogue; Superman doesn't even trust himself.

This was a dream sequence. Moreover, to many, Bruce Wayne is the mask whereas Batman is the real identity.

 

Huh, this is interesting: http://io9.gizmodo.com/wait-wonder-woman-is-how-old-in-batman-v-superman-1755177589

Spoilers to follow...

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She's apparently 5,000 years old (and retired) which is cool, since they're sticking with the "Amazons are immortal" bit. I don't recall, and hopefully EmpireForever or Ender Sai can refresh my memory, but how did that jive with Amazons being immortal and Diana's first interaction with the world of men being WW2 originally?

I honestly don't recall how that worked.

 

Well her first interaction with the world of men is clearly WW1 this time around, which'll be interesting because it's a time period when pretty much the whole world was awful and involved in awful war. I mean, at least in WW2 there's the whole "Okay, but the Nazis" angle.

Also you guys are seriously going to get me on a rant about metatextuality aren't you?

 

Donny recall how what worked, exactly? She was kicking. Around on the island, wwii plane crashes, hello Wonder Woman. Or do you mean in present incarnation? I don't know what her current origin is.

 

Right, that was it -- plane crash. I couldn't remember how she'd been living for millennia before ending up in the world of men, and it was because Rogers crashed and she was voted the one to go out and bring him back.

 

Yeah, Rogers, crashed on Themyscira after defeating the Red Skull.


I'm not so sure that Steve Trevor will crash on Themyscira in this film though. He might, but I remember hearing a synopsis a couple months ago and IIRC, Diana leaves her island not to return Trevor to the world of man but to retrieve a mystical power or something that was stolen from her island.

 

So she comes to the world of men ~WWI, retrieves the artifact (presumably) then returns to the island. I suppose that's a decent enough explanation for why she didn't show up in mos, and mos being the reason she returns.

It still doesn't help that there's a full blown witch running around in universe, and that magic is totally a thing but hasn't changed the development of the world at all, but whatever.

 

Too many WW2 Steves!

 

Do you have any citations for these original plans for a MOS sequel"where Superman inspires other super heroes to put on costumes", and that BvS was formulated after the backlash of MOS? Where are you getting this information?

Should a director need to apologize for fictional destruction? If Superman has online defenders, it may be because those who want to pin the destruction on him ignore context.

I think Superman trusts himself. He just doesn't trust the many villains capable of controlling his mind and will.

Bruce Wayne wears two masks. Batman is one of them. Playboy Bruce is the other. Philanthropist Bruce is the real Bruce Wayne- the man who still dreams of fulfilling his father's legacy for Gotham.

Superman is no different. Superman and Reporter Clark are masks. Smallville Clark is the real person.

 

It's not different from the comics where magic exists, but doesn't change the world's evolution.

 

The world is changed by magic in the comics. Are you even...what? So does all of their advanced technology, etc.

 

How has magic changed the world in the DCU?

 

There are known magical entities, associations, personalities, events, etc. Ghosts are proven to exist. Demons. The afterlife. Hell. Wizards. Sorcerers. Do you want specifics or? There was an entire all-out magical war across the whole planet which included The Spectre in a giant, humanoid form swatting away people like Captain Marvel, a magically imbued superhuman well known to the general public. Shadowpact is brought in to investigate an entire town encased in a giant, opaque red sphere which is being reported on television as magic. What are you even asking?

On a smaller scale in stories like Sandman (technically Vertigo, but still includes characters from DC proper) people can be seen engaging in magical rituals to invoke curses or magical beings to aid them. Constantine works as a legitimate paranormal investigator. People hire actual, real psychics and magicians for all kinds of things. What are you talking about?

I suppose the explanation for this movie universe is that everything has been kept hush, but now there's been some kind of awakening because of Kryptonians faffing about, but why would an entity such as Enchantress, a magical demon that possesses people, care about making noise? How did a government agency come to contain her? How is it that there aren't more of them? How is Clark presented as something unusual when magic is actually real, and it actually works, and there are witches practicing magic and they haven't taken over the world yet. You know, in the comics, characters like the Enchantress, beings of incredible power, are only stopped by other beings of incredible power, but now Superman is the only being of incredible power, and he just showed up. Unless the Amazons come out of hiding every time the earth faces an existential threat, in which case why is everyone so surprised at Clark? Sure, they're aliens, but Amazons have been kicking around for more than 5,000 years and no one has drawn a comparison.

 

Remember when Swamp Thing turned Gotham into a jungle?

Yeah, no, magic's not a thing.

 

I believe I've posted some the articles below before in this thread or perhaps the Batman v. Superman thread. Anyway, here are the citations you requested:

Hero Complex: Nov. 12, 2012 article:

LA Times: June 7, 2013 article:

Adam Chitwood, Collider: June 17, 2013 article:

Sandy Schaefer, Screenrant: Sep. 24, 2013 article:

LA Times/Herocomplex: March 3, 2014 article:

Forbes, Apr. 17, 2014 article:

USA Today, July 3, 2014 article:

Translation: I wasn't going to introduce Batman until the end of the Man of Steel sequel, but because of the backlash, we had to address the ending of Man of Steel. So, we threw out the idea that Superman was an inspirational figure, "ambassador for all superheroes," and made him a threat, and thus we get Batman meta thing.

If a director takes a movie in a direction that causes the general audience not to buy tickets to the follow up film, then yes. The director of Batman and Robin, Michael Schumacher has apologized as he nearly killed the Batman franchise and the comic book genre. Tim Burton blames Schumacher for his Superman movie getting cancelled. So, it's not really the context of the destruction of Metropolis within the story that counts but rather the reactions of the ticket buyers. Meaning, was that a positive or negative reaction by the customer? If a customer had a negative reaction to the product, what is the likely hood that they customer would repeat business?

In June 14, 2013, Man of Steel screenwriter, David Goyer said: "Warner Bros has hopes that there will be more Man Of Steel films, and that this will be the beginning of a shared universe. We could meet Batman, or Wonder Woman, or the Justice League in these movies. But they all hinge on box office reception."


All the statements and articles above clearly notes that "Batman v. Superman" wasn't original in the plans. Moreover, that Batman was not in the plans until sometime after Man of Steel was finished. Man of Steel screenwriter David Goyer said the idea was Superman was to be first costumed superhero in the DC expanded universe. As highlighted above, Zack Snyder initially thought "at the end second movie" (which could only mean the Man of Steel sequel), that would be a good point to introduce Batman.

At the end of Batman Begins, Rachel Dawes clearly states that Batman is the real identity and Bruce Wayne is the mask. Playboy Bruce Wayne, is not real the person. Bruce Wayne only takes on that persona to distract people. I don't think any true fan of Batman would not say the party boy, womanizing Bruce Wayne is the true person. The Batman mythos is based on Bruce Wayne died on the same night as his parents and Batman was born, as from that point on it was about vengeance.

 

I took a glimpse of Teen Titans Go! at a bar last night. Yeah, it was playing at a bar for some reason. It seems...I dunno...clever? I avoid CN like the plague these days (except for Adventure Time) so I'm not exactly sure what the consensus is. It's nowhere near as structured as the original Teen Titans show from a decade ago.

 

And Tim Daly, right?

... R-right?

Although I must say, James Woods as Luthor is inspired casting.

 

I'd be pretty confident that Hamill at least would be pretty selective since he keeps saying he's done with Joker.

 

This is more what I was asking for.

Who is to say that people believe that she's a witch and not a nutball, goth girl? For all we know, the Enchantress may have made her presence known in the time after MOS and before DOJ. As to containing her, perhaps Superman did if her presence is recent.

Well, there's El Diablo.

Superman is an alien and a publicly known one. That's a big deal. Magic which hasn't been publicly seen, or known about, is a different matter. As to Diana, well, her last appearance was 90 years ago. Back when it was easier to contain her activities and the world wasn't connected through social media.

Of course, you could always just wait for the movies to come out, instead of acting like a fanboy.