ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Did anyone notice, when Kylo was trying to force pull the Saber from the snow to him, that the music behind that scene was very much like Palpatines music?
I have always thought this since I seen it and I thought it was very odd, the operatic voices that the Emperors theme had, and then straight after Rey pulls it to her!....thoughts?

 

No one should want someone that murdered and maimed their friends. That's just common sense.

 

What?

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Sure, in real life. But this is fictional space opera where Padme could still see light in Anakin after he murdered children and choked her and Luke was able to forgive Vader after he chopped off his hand and tortured Han and Leia. And Han and Leia were still willing to reach out to Kylo after he killed at the Jedi academy.

The sins are greater, but so is the redemption.

 

Jedi MD

 

Padme was married to Anakin and was in love with what he once was, not what he had became. She was already married to him before the murders. I'm sure if she had the authority she would have had him arrested and made him answer for what he had done. Luke forgave Vader but it was necessary for him to die for the story to work. He couldn't live after all he had done. Vader didn't get to enjoy life after his redemption. Luke forgave his father, his flesh and blood, someone he didn't chose to be brought into this world by. Kylo is Han's son and he displayed unconditional love. I'm sure General Leia would have had him answer for what he did while still loving him. That's different from a romance where you can chose your partner. Rey has better options in the form of Finn and to a lesser extent Poe. Rey is not some dreamy eyed kid that will fall for the bad boy. Again, Kylo killed her only father figure figure, maimed her only friend and most likely slaughtered her peers at Luke's academy. This is personal. Not some abstract "it's a soldier's job to kill" sort of deal. She may play a part in his redemption, she may forgive him, but to have a romance with him is just plain wrong.

So you're telling me that a normal person would fall in love with a person they witnessed murder their mentor and permanently disable their only friend. These are actions that take normal adults a lifetime to get over. Reylo shippers expect this to happen over the course of months? It's inconceivable. I think that image references forgiveness. Forgiveness and romance are two different things entirely.

 

I thought the lights were either because it crashed or went into hyperdrive...

 

I like the way some people come in here and tell us that we don't know what we want and try to dictate how we should think and who we should ship.....amusing

 

It's ok for you to want whatever you desire but this is an open board so I'm ok to state how that want doesn't make any sense and is disturbing. That's not a character judgement on you. It's my judgment of the idea of Reylo shipping.

 

vegeta is a perfect example, he was a ruthless, cold blooded killer but throughout the story he went from villain to anti hero and then just a full hero. and i love goku/vegeta's rivalry-friendship, there were enemies at the start getting into fights until they could barely stand up, battered and bruised etc.

i would also put up Garaa from Naruto, he was feared as a little kid because of his power and an incident that happened. since then everyone feared and hated him, he grew up alone and ended up hating the world and everyone. he would kill anyone to justify his existence. but then he met naruto who defeated him in battle and things started to change for him, soon after he became the protector of a village.also sasuke as well that guy got consumed with revenge


Scar from FMA:B: a religious extremist with a tragic past who hunted and brutally killed the government officers in the story, nearly killed the main leads, killed the main leads love interest's parents in the past leaving her orphaned but as the story progresses they all kind of become allies and he ends up working with the people he was hunting down at the start. i honestly hated him at the start but the good storytelling changed my perspective.



no doubt there are more especially from the world of anime. but since i grew up with anime i love the possibilities creators can take in a fictional universe as it can afford them that ability. just imagine if they had similar sentiments as some here towards kylo, towards the characters i've mentioned, they wouldnt nearly be as well loved or be great characters with wonderful story arcs. i've seen plenty of villians and villians who become good , different forms of redemption or just plain villiany but you still cant help feel sympathetic even though they killed a kid to start a civil war or a beloved character or an enitre village to become god, so when it comes to fictional stories especially in a high fantasy scifi world. im really open to whatever as long as its well written and executed. otherwise its too limiting to creativity and where one can take characters and stories tbh i i dont care if people hate kylo or whatever, i've seen worse so it doesnt phase me. for me personally real world and fictional worlds are two very different things and i dont really want to be held back by reality(morals,laws,etc) when it comes to fiction cause that's just too narrow and i want characters to go beyond established archetypes. because lets be honest half of the stories in existence wouldnt work in real life as it would go against laws and morals.

hey there is also Revan(known as the butcher so you can imagine)



Jacen Solo(killed lukes wife)



Mara Jade( tried to kill luke, emperors right hand but went on to sit on the jedi high council)


natasha romanoff, deadpool, spike, angel, harley quinn( although she really goes back and forth) etc.

so people can come and try to say a character cant be this or that because they have already done this or that or they are supposed to be like this, im just like ok......sure. whatever works for you but things like this wont change my mind

that's just my 2 cents.

 

Well, then am I not allowed to pass a judgment on anti-reylo shipping either? I think discussion should involve something more constructive like actual literary parallels (and not low brow stuff like 50 shades and twilight which many of us hate anyway), book extracts, examples....something more than a blanket statement...[Mod edit: comment removed]...and who we should ship..... I am as entitled to give my feedback on your remarks as much as you are able to generalise us all under some stereotype.

 

Yea they come in without knowing facts. I'm sure Finn Rey have their own facts but I'm by no means going to go to their forum and give them grief.

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Oh man, here's my ****ting on the Anakin-Padme romance again, but she married the guy after she heard his confession about killing the camp of Tusken raiders. Now, there have been arguments about whether Anakin's actions were more justifiable considering the lawlessness on Tatooine and the raiders' savagery deserving the punishment, but he confessed that he killed not just the men who did the crime, but the women and children too.

After so many years in various fandoms, I think ships like Kylo/Rey will probably always be popular because people do seem to like shipping enemies and dark side/light side pairings. Everyone's worn out the Twilight/50 Shades comparisons, but you see the "being drawn to the dark side" trope appear in a lot of fictional narrative: Phantom of the Opera, Labyrinth, recent books like Deathless and The Grisha Trilogy so yeah it's become a trope in popular culture over the years. A lot of that content has an older niche/target audience though so I do agree that the most likely/healthiest option the filmmakers could present to a mainstream crowd is Finn/Rey (Finn/Poe piqued my shipping curiosity, but Boyega's comments have kinda shot that down for me). Fictional shipping is just a personal preference though, like what genre one would prefer to read. People are just drawn to different stories and narrative conflicts so of course, not everyone's going to see eye-to-eye on threads like this.

 

First, [Mod edit: comment removed] rhetoric. I can hear the dog whistle from miles away and you won't score any points by playing that card with me. I would say the same thing if the genders were reversed. You are free to respond to any thing I say. I have no means of threatening your freedom of speech here. If anything, it is I that is unable to speak my opinion freely here.

 

I'm sure ( ) that both pro and anti Reylo can express viewpoints and counter the "other camp" without sniping. Right? "Dictating" to others is an equal opportunity "rile up the mod" no no.

For the record, the edited out phrase is sexist and unacceptable. Everyone else, don't quote this and continue the insanity or I'll have to go edit a bunch of posts and get cranky. In fact, to stop it, that is exactly what I'll going to attempt to do. I really don't like editing poster's comments.

 

Great info however I don't think as writers and in terms of originality will they copy the whole format maybe a piece here and there which they have done change this around move this over here.

 

That's what I think too, to be honest

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Those are good examples. I just don't see how they would fit into the Star Wars movie universe. Movies that are aimed at little kids. I don't want my daughter to think its ok to fall in love with a devil like Kylo because he's hot. Nor do I want her to spend her life trying to redeem irredeemable flawed individuals when there are perfectly awesome people around her worthy of her love. I want her to see the value in Finn's charm and nervousness. His kindness and unwavering support. How the best relationships start off innocently and bloom into something beautiful. I want her to make good decisions in life and to be honest pairing Kylo with Rey is an exercise in irresponsibility. It sends a bad and wrong message. Sure Han was a smuggler with a past but he had a heart of gold and never laid a finger on Leia. Han would've gladly traded his life for Leia and he did nothing but adore her from the moment he first saw her, even as he put on his best poker face and tried to go against his basic impulses. I think that Reylo shipping is dangerous to little girls, that's my opinion as a father and it's my duty to keep my daughter away from these ideas until she grows up and is able to formulate her own opinion. Hopefully she doesn't stray to far from what I try to instill in her.

 

Okay fellow Reylo's shippers


If Jedi MD can't respect people and discuss in civilized way, then we don't need to reply to his post.


Please ignore it as much as you can so the mod won't have to edit those post again and again and our thread won't get lock.

 

Um, Dragon Ball Z, Naruto and Fullmetal Alchemist have rather low target age demographics. I watched DBZ as a young girl (around 10) and was entertained without emulating.

And I've said it before, but whether you choose to let your child watch it or not, TFA has a PG-13 rating. It isn't any one else's job to shield your young child if you let them watch it. Yes, Star Wars is easily accessible, but no one worries about the blatant patricide or decapitations depicted- only possible relationships and that is just hypocritical.

 

Hope you get well soon......

 

Little girls grow up, but unfortunately, boring movies with bland storytelling are forever....

 

I don't mind the patricide or decapitations because they are done with context. She understood and the movie makes it painstakingly clear that those actions were very bad. Those actions weren't rewarded. Nothing hypocritical about what I said.

We have 7 awesome Star Wars films with awesome storylines that didn't have to explore such a negative relationship dynamic

 

Yeah, I can't agree more. Some of the best stories take a character so far from their starting point it is amazing to look back and see how far they have come. I think this is why I appreciate so many foreign stories- they get it. Whereas so much western media is so sanitized and boring (if I wanted real life I wouldn't be here)