ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

thanks, i think what fits in star wars and what doesnt is up to the creators and writers, considering the types of stories they have made in the past and what is canon, we can guess what they think is star wars worthy. its aimed as kids just as much as its aimed at adults, i grew up watching most of these types of stories and characters i mentioned, its your choice and preference so be it, but i like all sorts of ship. most of the ones i mentioned would be considered by your standard as irredeemable yet they have become anti heroes and heroes. you like pure, sunshine characters and relationship cool. i think most reylo shippers just really like the dynamic between kylo and rey and find it more interesting, rey/finn relationships work in real life and im all for it, but on screen it will always get overshadowed with more conflicting pairings. i just want movies to tell a good story and have good character arcs then to be consistently thinking about and being held back by" think about the children" motto like mod flanders from Simpsons. the characters i also mentioned come from shows that are aimed at kids as well. i mean heck there is beauty and the beast. i mean you could also say think about little boys when it comes to vader and luke dynamic from OT, after everything vader did, after what he did to han and leia and after cutting off his hand. im sure your concern for little girls will be appreciated. creators and storytellers can do whatever they like and since your doing you duty then you shouldnt have to worry and good for you. what about male and male dynamic where they are enemies and beat each other and the bad guy tries to hurt the good guy and through circumstances they become friends at the end or vise versa for female/female, these types of same gender dynamic exists in fiction from movies, tv shows and cartoons(avatar). you could easily say its dangerous for young boys and girls in relation to friendship. what are you gonna do when the live action beauty and beast comes out. you have your opinion and i have mine. obviously we will agree to disagree and im just gonna leave it at that, you can reply back if you want or not

 

So the violence is fine, even the violence of the good guys? Is that painstakingly clearly bad too? Because quite a bit of the good guy violence is rewarded. Or did you tell her not to cheer when Poe shot Finn's friend in front of him, or when Rey took the Falcon (not her property) and set creatures loose to eat alive people who came to collect a legit debt? Or capturing Phasma, and even after she had done everything they asked still threw her in the trash compactor?

Or even the 'cool' things the bad guys did- like the stun baton trooper or Hux's very Nazi-esque speech or Kylo freezing blaster bolts in mid air, they are bad guys is she not allowed to like those things?

It is just an arbitrary moral judgement that the things you like are acceptable and the things you don't are not- therefore hypocritical.

 

I don't think we will agree on what the writers are capable of, and I respect your view of why it's a bad idea to attempt something of this nature. Admittedly, I'm more interested in the Force conflict between Rey and Kylo Ren. That Rey turned the tables AND learned a force skill from Kylo Ren, who previously completed the same interrogation on Poe with brutal efficiency, was WOW. Is this a unique thing them or because Rey has equal or stronger potential? The lightsaber visuals was A+ for the last fight. There's many reasons for me to find "Reylo" interesting without distilling it to a potentially bad romance plot.

In terms of those hurdles, I've noticed some compression of ANH, ESB into TFA of plot points with respect to Rey and Kylo Ren. The mentor/father figure is killed, the hunt and mind games, taking out the best friend. That's two films worth of conflict put in one. Hm, interesting. Where do we go from there? Escalate the conflict further or explore something else halfway through the remaining two films? The OT threw in the, Hey I'm your father and sorry about the chopped limb route at the end of the second film, which shifted the Luke and Vader dynamic by the third film. LF is not beholden to this formula, but I feel this seems to be heading to some sort of major plot revelation that will change one or both of our understanding of these characters. We have two films left to explore whatever that is (again, not necessarily mutual romance). Certainly Kylo Ren killing his father, Han, is worse than Vader killing Obi-Wan. Maybe Kylo is truely straight up evil with delusions of grandeur. That sounds a bit flat for a character they beat over our head as a conflicted train wreck, even post-Han. There's a lot of questions about Kylo's fall, how Leia knows Snoke was manipulating things, what the deal is with the FO conditioning program, and Rey's past.

 

@Jedi MD

Did your kid ever watch those trending PG and PG-13 movies e.g. Pirates of the Caribbean, Maleficent, Marvel Cinematic Universe,... ??? Those trending movies never only have pure good or pure bad character or sunshine and rainbow, but kids nowadays love to watch and discuss it whenever they can.

We are not in 1980s anymore

 

I think you are stretching it. Within the context of the movie, all those things with context make sense enough for my young daughter to rationalize it correctly. For example, Kylo stopping the blast midway is awesome, she thought it looked cool, but I wouldn't expect for her to root for the bolt to reverse and hit Poe in the head. The gangsters wanted to abduct BB-8, which is basically treated as human in a GFFA, they couldn't have cared less about Han and his debts. I won't bother going through them one by one because I'm getting sleepy. What I couldn't explain to her is Rey falling in love with the guy who just seared her friend who she adores for sport and then maims him. That wouldn't make any sense to her.

I guess to me it's obvious that they are setting up Finn and Rey for a potential romance. Maybe hinting more towards Poe in the novel. I just don't know where you guys and gals are getting Reylo from. Within the Star Wars movie universe I think Reylo doesn't work. I think Kylo will be redeemed, but moments before he dies for a greater good. No way he makes it out alive to have a romance. He may lust after Rey, but that's all the dark side will afford him.

Sure, I watched those. Han is a good "gray" character. The moment Kylo's saber pierced Han was the moment nuance was lost. Kylo is evil, and not in a good way. A romance with him is not something our lead female should aspire to start. Finn or Poe or old school monk Jedi. There should be a battle for Kylo's soul, not his heart.

 

Seems like reylo and finn rey are turning into religions same movie

 

cuties, such wonderful dorks and human beings

 

Actually the whole Kanjiklub thing really squicks me, they did come originally about a legit debt Han owed them- it was only after they saw BB-8 that they were going to take him. So Rey releases the Rathtars which eat them alive...

Well, any possible Rey->Kylo would take place in the future after character growth. Not in TFA, and who knows what the writers have in store for the next two movies (and possibly beyond with episodes X through XII). I've said it before, Kylo is not bf material but maybe Ben is. I just can't not see him redeemed, it is what Han would have wanted and I won't have Leia lose that much.

 

@nagajuna

No, we - Reylo's shipper are multi-shipper. Personally, I'll be fine if Poerey become canon in next episode, don't care about Finnrey anymore.

But Finnrey shipper don't have the same reaction like us. [Mod edit: bashing comment removed]

@BladenSoul3003: don't generalize about another group of posters (they always...). And while I'm here, you're again reminded not to double post (here and next post).

 

@ Jedi MD
Don't underestimate Women. They are not *** dolls and horny freak. They have deep thoughts and emotion.

I never think Kylo Ren / Adam Driver is hot (a lot of people call him ugly). He isn't Chris Hemsworth or Chris Evans. He don't have the classically handsome looks that will make you breathless and drool over, but his acting talent really convinces me that his character is worth of more exploring and investing just like how I started to love Benedict Cumberbatch.

 

and I found this interesting article:

http://au.ign.com/articles/2016/02/05/what-kylo-ren-owes-to-a-cat

"Additionally, another sound editor on the film named Matthew Wood discussed Adam Driver's method acting approach in looping Kylo Ren's dialogue, recalling the time when they were setting up the scene in which an officer tells Ren they lost a droid. "He was… I think we had to cut out many, many swear words between the lines to get the intention there," he said of Driver's intensity. "That’s how he works.""

 

When did I underestimate women. Quit projecting. I would say the same of a guy who sought a romance with a hot but evil and sadistic woman that just murdered his mentor and maimed his best friend.

 

Ok , first of all Hi everyone!
I started reading the thread from around the 340 page mark.. and then decided to go back and start from the beginning..currently at page 150.. while also reading the new pages..
Same few ppl, same few 'anti' arguments.Over and over and over.. I commend your patience,ppl.
Second, can I suggest we just go ahead and change the name of the thread? Like with the word 'possibility' the whole it's 'open for debate, so we will come here give our same opinions after every few pages' trend might leave off a little?
Something along the lines of Kylo Rey relationship-ep 8 and 9, or maybe even reylo fan club... I don't know, just throwing stuff out there.Is the name change allowed on the boards? Extreme newbie, so bear with me..
I'm from south asia btw, as I think ppl were introducing their countries way back..
I'll post my reasons for shipping Reylo after I'm done reading the whole thread,hopefully( probably take me a few days)

 

you will have to do more then shielding them from movies from falling in love with some bad boy. goodluck on your endeavors

 

@Jedi MD

Finn is not better.

He is a coward, liar, betrayer.

He was beaten in every battle.

He abandoned Rey and only came back when she got captured.

You always use KID as an excuse for your opinion, Jedi MD. So answer me, you rather want your kid to end up with a coward, liar, betrayer??? Is that the "toxic rainbow & sunshine" you want???



You should quit watching Star Wars, Pirates of the Caribbean, Marvel, Disney's villain movies like Maleficent...etc... and come back with The Smurf. They have sunshine, rainbow and pure blue aka. pure good.

@BladenSoul3003: You're getting argumentative and telling another poster what to do/watch in order to line up with your own opinion. Other poster expressed an opinion, you're interjecting a bit of a nasty tone into your response which is unwarranted.

 

Welcome aboard the ship!!! I'm south asian too btw, but i live in Australia...look forward to seeing your posts!!

 

bladen let it be, these will only cause more heated arguments. no doubt though finn is the good guy so finn would be better cause he is the hero from an objective point of view. i know its frustrating dealing with the same people harping on. i have to deal with that on tumblr though a lot of people who a neutral are starting to get annoyed by the anti's there

me and my bro were talking and i asked him who's your fav, he said finn and im cool but then he went onto say he finds kylo more interesting tho and im like same. and then his like whats finn gonna do, he already senses that rey and kylo already have interesting story elements around them. im like if the writers are good they will give him something good and explore him more.

anyways that's why i think kylo is my fav along with rey as separate characters. they have a lot of mystery about them and layers, also their story seems to hide important points in the narrative.

 

I don't mean to offend anyone who has contributed to the thread, this is why we're up to almost 500 pages, but I just wanted to say that the thread is now becoming about defending the existence of this thread itself instead of a healthy logical discussion. It is a place where haters come by and drop in their two cents regarding how they feel uncomfortable with such pairing. That's fine. I get it, but it's just frustrating to keep reading the similar comments when the discussion have been exhausted a few pages back. Now it's just mostly a thread defending Reylo rather than dishing out possibilities of how it could advance.

When I come back to this thread, I end up having to skim through Reylo attacks and defenses (I admire you guys who bother responding with the same arguments), and just look for things that I could actually contribute to.

Sorry for making this a debate about a debate.

 

One of the best things about the TFA for me is the ambiguity of character's morals on either side of the specre, light and dark...with the exception of Hux and Snoke-they are pure evil....

All of them think that what they are doing is what is right....it's easier for the audience to judge the actions of the bad guys, because, you know, they are bad....but the good guys here are also often bad....they lie, conceal, cheat, shoot first without asking questions, succumb to hate and anger, kill non-military unarmed personel on starkiller (Matt is surely not the only radar technician on board )
For me this is so much better in terms of character development than the plain perfectly good vs. evil...

And the accent here is on the characters' complexity which was illustrated quite well in 2h and 16 min of an action packed movie....
With that in mind, I am ambitious enough to hope that this trilogy is the story of Rey and Kylo/Ben and that there is plenty of time for redemption arc (ST) and hopefully romance (ST+beyond)....will it be hard?....yes with all the haters arround....but I think it would deffinetly be worth it....and there is plenty of references in the SW lore how it could be done...and if the writters are smart they can easily do it....and they are smart

 

im actually really interested to see Kylo and the knights of ren, i wanna see how there dynamic is. is there loyalty to kylo and a form of idolization or do they just tolerate him and could back stab him. are they just a bunch of dysfunctional group of mates. what will KOR and kylo get up to in the future movies. i think it could be really fun to see their dynamic and possibilities

 

Sometimes I wonder if the Anti-reylos and Kylo haters have actually watched the OT & PT ...

 

i heard that the KOR are obsessed with everything Darth Vader...if thats the case, they probably love Kylo, since he has Vader blood (maybe thats why he was made the master)...I'm dying to see the KOR too btw...

 

This has got me thinking. I think the existence of Hux and Snoke serve as a contrast to Kylo as to how the writers have chosen to portray villains. Snoke is presented as the mastermind of all evil, the traditional ultimate villain. We don't even get to see him in the flesh, hence no sympathy whatsoever by the audience. And with Hux, you can say the similar. Except that you get to see him in person, he's a follower of Snoke (like Kylo), presented as someone who you can fully hate on. He's so eerily reminiscent of a Nazi, you can't exactly be sympathetic (or even empathetic).

But with Kylo, he's more of a multi-dimensional character. Making him Leia and Han's son (who they still love) already gives him an edge. Quipped with his inner conflict, you know there's a struggle between the light (that is his birth - mentioned by Lor San Tekka) and the dark. You might not get his motivations, but you know there's something more to him. I don't think the writers would make this much of an effort for a highly complex character, only to finally make him the big bad who deserves no sympathy.

Also with the light vs dark, I believe this is more for the inner struggle than outer. It would be way more compelling if light won over dark on a moral level (within Kylo) rather than by combat (ie a dark Kylo being killed of by the light side.

As to how this relates to this thread, I'm not sure. But I believe Rey plays a role in this light triumphs over dark arc.

 

I was never keen on the whole light vs dark dichotomy- neither one really ever say well with me in universe or out of universe. So I would rather that instead of light triumphing over dark- they merge closer together to grey. And that Rey and Kylo will be central to that storyline.

 

Never thinking about KOR that way! They must worship him!