ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

How is it meaningless, why would anyone even want to know exactly what compassion means in Star Wars, all anyone needs to know is when Snoke sensed this in Kylo Ren, it was bad and Kylo should be worried. So the compassion for Rey comes from him feeling something for her. That's why Reylo is Reylo. Him asking her to be his student/apprentice. Him removing his mask for her, put ideas into people's mind and it isn't just imagination, it's purely guessing yes but it's guessing on the grounds of something that is happening and the audience can see it and feel it. Kylo and Hux ship is ridiculous. That type of ship is ridiculous why because Disney won't go down that road and Kylo and Hux hate each other's guts.
Rey and Kylo are both young and good looking and have a common bond between them. It's ok for them to be shipped. If you don't agree then fine, be that way, but there are reasons for the ship and they go back some 600 pages. Very detailed stuff as well. It's anything but mindless shipping or shipping based on imagination.

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You're joking, right?
A clumsy line from one of the worst received storylines in all of Star Wars, in which Anakin wrongly defines compassion as "unconditional love" is referenced casually on screen by Snoke in a film made 13 years later as a way of implying that Kylo feels for Rey the same way Anakin feels for Padme?

Riiiiiiight.

 

Actually the more likely parrallel is to what The Emperor said to Vader.

The Emperor: I have foreseen it. His compassion for you will be his undoing.

Which makes sense, as Kylo Ren is such a Vader fanboy that he fears his compassion could be used to undo him.

 

"There are reasons for the ship and they go back 600 pages"

What that tells me is that plenty of people have invested so much time in talking about it, they can't countenance the idea of having it contradicted.

Also, I could show you 1500 pages worth of talking that show that Luke will have a big role in the last half an hour of TFA, maybe you should read that and then tell me exactly how much impact those 1500 pages had on the story that was told on screen?

 

The writers have to watch the Prequels even if they are hated and despised, they are still apart of the story as Colin the director said all the films will eventually becomes one big long story. So do you really think they aren't going to connect the story to the prequels just because most of the population hates them? BS

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I actually forgot about that line, but you are correct as well. Regardless, now that we have three documented instances of the word, it is not meaningless and the writers put it in there for a reason. Even if there is no romance between Ren and Rey, you can't deny they're connected somehow.

 

If you look deeper you'd find that the Robbie the Robot and Gill man imagery could indeed have significant links to Kylo.

Gill Man is infatuated with the leading lady.

Robbie the Robot, manipulated and forced to do the bidding of his evil master.

 

And ultimately, as Han says he has too much Vader/Anakin in him. Compassion (love) for Rey was and will be his Achilles heel. That is why she beat him in the snowy woods.

 

I don't care I was making a point that it's ok to ship these two.
Kylo Ren has compassion for Rey. He couldn't beat her, he couldn't do anything, why because he doesn't want to hurt her. He cares for her. Could be a family thing bond whatever, but I doubt it, since he had killed his dad and is likely going to try kill Luke a baby cousin isn't going to stop him from killing her.

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And compassion has it's on inuniverse contextual meaning. LOVE.

 

Hey,guys I don't mean to interrupt the on going discussion I just wanted to say that the amount of time and energy put in thsi thread by Reylo fans(in whatever way they ship them)is amazing.I've been lurking in this forum for awhile now and when I first saw there was thread dedicated to Rey and Kylo I honestly thoguht that the majority of people would ahte the idea and debunk the possibility of this ship happening.I thought Reylo was only a tumblr phenomen but I'm so glad I was proven wrong.It's so great to see so many people here being passioante and speculating so many different ideas that could happen with Reylo.I really hope this thread continues to be active during the wait for Episode VIII.

 

Yep,I think they will indeed connect to the prequels. And they'll do so in interesting ways, no doubt. What they won't do is assume the audience has so much familiarity with the prequels that use of the word "compassion" will work as a callback to another time the word was used.

Here are some examples of some Star Wars inter-film references;

"how uncivilised" *tosses away blaster*
*trash compactor?" *smiles*
'You'll never get me into one of those dreadful starships"

Those are all pretty sledgehammer type references. But sure, by all means use a clumsy line that doesn't even define the word properly, used in the most poorly received Star Wars film by its most maligned actor as evidence that Rey and Kylo will get together.
You'll have to hone those mental gymnastics skills for when the next film comes around and you have to find a way to show that Finn and Rey kissing actually foreshadows that Kylo will end up with Rey because of the way Nute Gunray looked at someone.

 

welcome ...feel free to contribute whatever you wish.....as you can see we've got some friends over for a debate

 

That is a fair point. Series like Avatar the last Airbender had massive fandoms for pairings that didn't occur on screens. The Zuko/Katara group were pretty big and honestly had some solid examples of Zuko being a good person underneath it all (The fact he was banished for trying to protect soldiers loyal to the fire nation), however despite all the length threads and "proof" they presented...it didn't happen.

 

Luke sure does look angry here. Probably because she's Palpatine's granddaughter. I'd be pissed about that too...

 

If if all comes to naught, I had fun deconstructing TFA with the Reylo Brain Trust.

 

Mark's hair looks so great!

spacebaby45678: Again, you have double posted.

 

hahaha he looks like an alcoholic!!!!!

 

Oh, no! guys, Kylo snuffed an entire village and his daddy in TFA ~ He is a monsterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ~~~

And now People are thinking of him as a "fictional sweetheart" and looking to him as a role model.
















#deeplyconcernedforlittleboysandgirls

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He doesn't look like someone who is seeing his long lost daughter!
So the cast includes Kelly Marie Tran and also Laura Dern. Who could Laura be playing? Ugh please not Luke's wife and Rey's mother. Well, she could be Luke's wife but please not Rey's mother. If she turns out to be just Luke's wife I wonder if we will find out Kylo murdered her?

 

He wasn't called out by his teacher in the movie. Every indication of compassion from the book is conveniently absent from the movie.

In the compassion = love quote, Anakin explicitly was not referring to romantic love. For me that analysis would be more likely support a family connection between these characters, except that the compassion stuff isn't in the movie so I hesitate to draw conclusions from it.

To the point above about the bridal carry, I don't think it's the weakest Reylo point out there, but I do think the bigger significance of it is lost in here. The bridal carry was about the characters that watched it. It was about Han watching his son kidnap a girl, and Finn watching his new bff taken into his old lair he had just escaped and thus choosing to run toward the fight, and it was about bb8 beeping in concern. We saw the bridal carry from these characters' perspectives. It wasn't a head on dramatic shot of Kylo marching toward the camera with romantic music playing to emphasize the carry itself.

 

No, I look the same way in the morning. Maybe Rey just woke him up
The force awakens ...

 

I don't like the way that people are calling it a "bridal carry", when it was clearly non-consensual. It was far more like a "monster carry".

Perhaps some of the KyloRey fans can cite some examples where a non-consensual carry away from her friends and allies and into danger of an unconscious woman by an adversary has led to romance? For me, the only example I can possibly think of is maybe Beauty and the Beast at a push. I'm not sure that that's where the filmmakers are going.

 

Hold on...that is a bit of a leap if you mean romantic love.

In universe this is the likely context when Sith and Jedi are talking about compassion. Kylo Ren was raised as a Jedi, somewhere inside him are the teachings from Luke that all Life is precious. Sith do not follow that teaching...as shown when Anakin talked about the differences between them and the Jedi

Kylo Ren, when it comes down to it, knows what he is doing is wrong. With Poe it's easier because he can Label Poe as an enemy, same with Finn...he's a traitor.....but there's nothing to justify harming Rey to get what he wants. ..so he tries talking to her...initially showing his face to make her lower her defense...then he tries scaring her into giving him what he wants....all of which tend more towards lightsided compassion, which Snoke senses..and considers a weakness. A Sith should do whatever it takes to get what he needs...but Kylo hesitates when it comes to the innocent (at least in his mind). Even the villagers were likely labeled as enemies since they were associated with a man who he knew was actively working against him...and it's easier to order troops to slaughter faceless innocents than it is to look one in the eye and harm them. It doesn't absolve Kylo for what he has done...it just explains his thought process on compassion.

A thought process that now may be different after he proved able to kill his own father.

 

So, this is why he was so upset..

Spoiler

 

Adept
Thankfully Rey was strong enough to turn the tables on the monster, turning it into a case of "I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me!"

Good point! Rey proved to be stronger than Kylo despite not being trained yet, like you said, she was able to turn the tables on Kylo. I wonder what could she do when she explores all of her potential with Luke... Maybe she won't settle with the easy solution of killing the bad guy, problem resolved! Kylo is a young Skywalker, the only son of Leia and I'd bet if Rey sees only one chance, amongst on hundred of retrieving Kylo for the Light side, she will take it because she's the kind of girl who thrives in the face of adversity and what would be a bigger&better challenge than snatching Kylo from Snoke's claws to bring him back to the Light? Just my two cents...