ST How did Kylo Ren know about the map?

Maybe this is answered in the novelisation, but it's just occurred to me.

Poe goes to Jakku to get the map from Lor San Tekka, and almost immediately Kylo Ren arrives too, looking for the same thing from the same person. I assumed that the First Order had tracked Poe's ship, but how did they know what his journey was for? And given that they didn't find the location of the Resistance base until later in the movie, could they actually have tracked him?

Is there a mole in the Resistance?

 

This is one of the questions I was left with as well....how did both sides happen to discover there was a map? And why was it in peices like some sort of intentional puzzle?

Perhaps it WAS answered and I just missed it. If not, I hope they elaborate on this in the future...

I thought it could be that the map led not to Luke, but to the first Jedi temple-and the resistance knew that's where Luke was going so they combined the two. If that's the case Kylo Ren could have known about the map from his days training with Luke, and figured that's where he could find him.

 

Like Maz' acquisition of Luke's lightsaber, this appears to be a "story for another time". Similar to the OT, where we got a reference to "many Bothans died ..." We had to wait nearly half a century for a movie to show the purloining of the Death Star plans (and are still waiting, though do know it's finally coming), hopefully this will be resolved in a somewhat shorter time frame.

 

My guess: A transmission is sent to Leia notifying her that Lor San Tekka has the map to Skywalker. That transmission is also intercepted by the First Order. Both parties discover the information at the same time and that explains them arriving at Jakku at the same time.
I agree that there could be a mole somewhere along the line of communication as well.

 

I doubt it'll be covered in subsequent movies , Maz having the lighstaber most definitely will be, but this is somewhat inconsequential to the movies. He just knew cuz he bad guy. Therefore, I fully expect it to be explained in "Star Wars: Poe Dameron" Marvel comic.

 

It's largely unimportant in the same way its largely unimportant to know how Vader knew Leia had the plans for the Death Star, but I would say that it's also reflective of the TFA's slapdash approach to plotting and story generally... where pretty much nothing matters and everybody kind of already knows everything.

 

Kylo probably found out the same way both FO and Resistance found out about BB-8's presence in Takodana or how the FO found out BB-8 was on the Millennium Falcon with Han Solo.

In the interest of tight storytelling, it's often not necessary to have to expound on everything at the start because it doesn't jar the audience's experience not to know at the moment you are watching the scene -- we're just excited to see what's going on. This is standard storytelling technique because something will happen later in the movie that will give you a clue as to how it may have happened, even if it doesn't literally give you a clear exposition of exactly what happened.

And indeed later in the movie we are shown multiple scenes of civilians spying and informing -- with the two thugs Rey beat up on Jakku, with Bala-Tik and the Guavian Death Gang, and finally with the informants on Takodana. And so we know what feeds the wild goose chase and instinctively we know that's how it must have been with the beginning of the movie.

So no, it's not a "slapdash" approach to plotting but a deliberate writing technique that achieves concise storytelling and as a bonus, treats the audience with respect that they're intelligent enough to figure it out.

 

I suppose one of the villagers might have been in the pay of the FO. But how instant is hyperdrive travel in the SW world? Poe was presumably not in Tekka's tent for very long, but Ren arrived almost immediately.

I was happily swept along by the plot, during each of my four viewings, and everything paled against the majestic arrival of Ren's shuttle and the blasterfreeze. But when the storyline is created using minimal strokes, with every line carrying weight, I find myself trying to work out what important plot point is being made by every event.

I mean, I'm beginning to suspect Poe / BB-8, and that will never do...

 

This doesn't. Both sides were trying to find the location of the first Jedi temple. The First Order had incomplete data from the Imperial archives. Leia seems have tried to find her information through her other contacts. Lor San Tekka seems to know a thing or two about the Force, and the lore of the Force (though not a Force user himself). He may have been looking for this information on her behalf. The FO seems to have spies in many places, so it's not particularly surprising that they would find out that a LST had found something and that a Resistance pilot was there to meet with him.

 

This is what I think as well. It was not a map to Luke, It was a map to where they all think he went. It would be rather odd Luke would have left a detailed map of where he went if he did not want to be found.

 

I assumed there was a spy or intercepted message. Most likely an informer for Kylo. Poe is sent directly on his mission to recover the map and Kylo and the First Order show up nearly at the same time. Though how the First Order got this information is not (yet?) explained, because there is little delay in the arrivals of each group they seem to have gotten the information simultaneously. Lor San Tekka and Kylo know each other, so having spies and informers planted may not have been difficult. It could be that Leia and Kylo each learned of the map about the same time.

 

Yes, and you know that Poe is half expecting enemies to arrive as well since he had BB-8 on the lookout outside.

 

Who let this guy out of the cave??

 

how about he read his mind?

 

We're not getting anything about that quote.

(not aimed at you but something i wanna say) I don't get why people are quoting this in reference to Rogue 1, the 'Many Bothans died' quote is from ROTJ, in reference to the plans for Deathstar 2. Rogue 1 is set between ROTS & ANH and is about getting the plans for the 1st Deathstar

 

Well, you should have aimed that at me, because that was a gross error, writing something while my brain was somewhere not in either the GFFA or even this one. I totally know better and have no clue as to why I made that erroneous connection. Mea culpa.

 

Whose mind?

 

You know they never explained why the Imperial Archives had that gaping hole which the recovered datachip apparently contained?

Maybe Yoda and Obi-Wan removed that information the same time they altered the Jedi Temple Beacon back in ROTS?

Sounds better than 30 years and noone noticed the incomplete galaxy map?!

 

Are you this threads cretinous moron? Crawl back under your rock you simpering dullard.

 

Everyone play nice. The next personal insults thrown either way will result in bans.

Also, this isn't the Cave.

 

lor san tekka.

 

But he only had the chance to get close enough to read Lor San Tekka's mind AFTER he'd arrived at the village. So how did he know to even go to Jakku in the first place?

 

Ren was at the forefront of the First Order's attempts to destroy the Resistance (an organization that opposed the First Order) and the Jedi, with his primary concern being the location and extermination of his former master Luke Skywalker, apparently the only Jedi known to have escaped Ren's uprising

The Resistance was also looking for Luke and both sides were after a map that led to his location. The First Order had recovered most of it in the archives of the Empire, but one piece was missing, and the Resistance found it first

 

Kylo said that they recovered the majority of the map from the Empire's records, but that a piece was missing. I'm assuming they've both been looking for it for a while. Just kind of have to go with it, like R2 and 3PO just happening upon the Skywalker farm.

 

Yes, and the happy coincidence that BB-8 drifted past the one great FS in the galaxy...