Saga Would the Galaxy Be Better Off if Anakin Wasn't Trained?

Qui Gon: "Train the Boy"

The question is, what if Obi-Wan hadn't listened to Qui Gon and decided NOT to train Anakin. Would the Galaxy be better off?

Likely possibilities if Anakin isn't trained IMO:

• Mace Windu likely survives the Episode 3 time frame.
• Count Dooku likely survives the Episode 3 time frame.
• Dozens more jedi are still alive (the ones not killed by Vader).
• No Luke or Leia (if Anakin isn't a jedi he never goes back to Naboo)

Is this a better outcome? I assume Yoda & Mace would eventually catch wind of Sidious possibly setting up a Yoda & Mace & ??? vs Sidious & Dooku confrontation (wow that would be epic!)

 

Palpatine would probably have sought to corrupt Anakin anyway, after Anakin's achievements in most of TPM hinting at his power.

In the EU, he gets word of Qui-Gon's theory that Anakin is the Chosen One before the end of TPM, as well.

 

So you think Sidious would have trained Anakin himself?

 

Not sure how one can call those possibilities "likely". Even if Anakin wouldn't do them, someone else would and the results would have been the same. Sidious was set to conquer the galaxy way before he knew of Anakin's existence.

 

As I stated in the exchange that lead to this, I believe Sidious's plans go on with or without Anakin. The state of the galaxy I think depends on when they refuse to train Anakin. If they leave him on Tatooine, maybe Sidious never finds out about Anakin, but it's possible he still finds out about him.
However, if the Jedi bring Anakin to Coruscant and then refuse to train him, Sidious definitely knows about him. Then, I could see Sidious either taking Anakin in and training him as a Sith (focusing on Anakin's anger at the Jedi for refusing him) or going to Tatooine to get Anakin (freeing his mother to get him on his side.)

So, best case scenario is that Sidious never hears of Anakin, executes his plan regardless, and Anakin is out there with a resentment towards Jedi.
Worst case is Anakin gets trained from a young age as a Sith, never gets brutally injured so realizes his true potential, and completely wipes out the Jedi, with no Luke to bring him back to the light.

 

I think the only way things could have gone better for the Jedi is if Qui-Gon had lived and been Anakin's master. I think there's a chance Anakin never falls to the dark side with Qui-Gon as a master instead of Obi-Wan.

 

If Anakin is not trained, then he cannot fulfill his destiny. Yes, there was danger in training him. There's danger in training any Jedi as we've seen with Dooku and Kylo Ren. Even Yoda could have fallen to the dark side, long ago. It boils down to if the Jedi will choose to reject the dark side and continue to do so for the entirety of their life. That's why Anakin turned when he was 22-23, Kylo turned when he was in his mid to late 20's and Dooku turned when he was 70.

 

He would have been trained though.

Sidious knows of him and would have trained him if the Jedi didn't. He was under parallel training anyway.

So in the end he becomes a Sith and probably hooks up with Padme in some way and Luke is born and Obi-Wan and Yoda get involved and you end up in the same place only by a different path.

All of the participants fates were intertwined through the Force.

 

He let Obi-wan train him because he didn't have the time for it. That's why he used Dooku, because he didn't have the time to do it.

When he would he hook up with her and why? If he's being trained in the dark side, he will not have time for her. He would be with him in the temporary Sith Temple, or on Moraband or wherever Dooku was holed up.

Not really. Their fates were the results of the choices that they made leading up to a particular moment. Events would turn out much differently and possibly for the worse.

 

In some way. Probably not a good one with him as a Sith. It would be part of his training perhaps. Which in a way it was as Sidious got them together.

Yes but much like Anakin whose choices led him to be where he was going even if he didn't know it himself.

 

Why would it be part of his training? Maul was raised without having an attachment in his life, hence he does not see Talzin and Savage until much later. Palpatine wouldn't want him to be attached to Padme if he's training him personally.

Anakin had a choice to go down the paths that he took. It wasn't because he was completely guided by the Force. The paths were placed before him, but it was his choice. The same with the others.

 

the only way it wouldn't have mattered is if anakin never made it off tatooine. i feel like as soon as palpatine sees him, he should have been able to sense all the things the other jedi could about the boy. from that point, when he's introduced, that's where it was necessary to train him with the jedi because he was a liability/asset at that point. the jedi didn't know that but i feel like palpatine would have been all over that. but honestly it was better for palpatine to let the jedi take him and then corrupt him so he wouldn't have to worry about all the initial training he'd have to expose anakin to. it worked really to palpatine's advantage when you think about it

 

Palpatine's plan would have gone just as it did, with either Maul or Dooku carrying out Order 66, and there would have been no one to stop him.

 

Nope. The Senate wold continue to get more corrupt that the Republic will turn into an oligarchy. Dooku was right, they needed to start from scratch.

This is if Palpatine did not get into power.

 

If it wasn't Anakin then Palpatine's other apprentice would be far less likely to be redeemed and take out their master without replacing him.

It also opens up the possibility that Anakin would have ended up under the more direct apprenticeship of Palpatine since he had been made aware of him and never has Luke and Leia nor is damaged in the fight with Obi-Wan and becomes a far greater threat.

 

No, he destroyed the Sith. The Emperor would've ruled forever if it wasnt for Vader

 

Eh, I don't think so. The Clone Wars still would have come. They were already in the works. Palpatine still would have destroyed the Jedi and declared himself Emperor. With or without Anakin/Vader.

 

The reason he turned to the dark side is the Jedi. They forbid him to have that attachment with Padme, thus he must have it in secret. When he presicts her death he is scared. Palpatine "helps" him to save her, by falling him to the dark side. If the Jedi didn't have those rules he could have turned to them instead for help.

 

SIDIOUS WAS ANAKIN'S MASTER!
(And he always will be....)

 

You miss the point, where the Jedi allowed attachments or not, they could do nothing for him. The Jedi do not use the Force to cheat death, but the Sith do.

 

This doesn't count as jedi cheating death?

 

The Jedi are still dead. They've become one with the Force and have retained their consciousness. It is not the same thing that Anakin wanted which was physical immorality. Everyone who appears as a ghost is dead. If it was cheating death, they would be solid.

 

The Jedi accept death because they do not fear it and believe an individual continues to live on in the Force; unlike the Sith, who think death is the end - it's why Maul and Vader both survived potentially lethal injuries. To them, there is nothing after death - so the Sith cling on to this life.

It was explained very well in the TCW Yoda arc

 

Well, yes, however if you think about it, if Anakin had a "legal" attachment to Padme according to the Jedi Order, then he wouldn't have to turn to Palpatine for help. The Jedi would be help enough.