ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Could be fake but if she was told to remove it I lol about that haha

 

Perhaps it is less likely. Perhaps it isn't. It isn't clear at this point in the story.

I gravitate towards the version of the story where we discover that we didn't know what we thought we did about Kylo's past, simply because I personally find that option more intriguing as a storyline. I like stories that are full of shades of grey and misunderstandings. I don't feel like there is any need to gravitate towards the version of the story that seems most obvious or likely right now, because at this point the future of this trilogy is wide open.

I think its great if many people prefer the straightforward, more obvious, or arguably more likely version of the story. For me, enjoyment in creative work comes from story elements coming together in a way that surprises. It has happened with other stories that I've invested in a counter-intuitive read of a character and had it be disproven by later chapters. Other times, my hunch was proven. And other times, the canon turned out somewhat disappointingly in between.

That's entertainment. ;-)

 

It would not be the first time, would it though

 

Guys, Daisy liked that fanart because it's fanart. She's polite to fans. It doesn't mean anything in terms of plot.

But yes, it's nice that actors are aware of our ship.

 

I am going off 100% written fact here. What reason would they have to create such a misdirection by directly saying he was responsible for killing them in the databank? If they leave that out, the movie doesn't link his name to it and they can still have their ambiguity that leads to a twist.

 

But isn't it fun to just watch everybody panic, crash and burn over simple things like that? I can distinctly hear TPTB cackling from halfway around the world.

 

I can FEEL Rian Johnson stealing money from my pocket!!!!

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That was me. *runs off to buy Kylo plushie*

 

I have a metal savings box with a Storm Trooper on it. I've set a goal, to save €20 a week in it and open it the day Episode 8 is released. If Reylo happens, I'll spend the money wisely. If not, then I'm screwed. Lol

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The Force is strong with Rian.

 

Who writes the databank? On what is the information based? Is it based on what has been written, filmed, published and publicly released at this point? Or on what has been written and is being kept in a locked safe, and in locked, zippered baggies in the actors' possession? If a future "big twist" in the story is that Things Are Not As They Seemed In VII, why would they ruin their surprise by putting the future plot twists into the public eye two years ahead of the planned big reveal?

If you'd checked online Severus Snape biographies between Half Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows, they would have said "Killed Dumbledore at the top of the Astronomy Tower"; they would not have specified "on Dumbledore's own orders," because that was not yet known. And it created a lot of discussion at the time between the factions saying that the actions depicted in Book 6 showed that Snape was Unredeemably Bad, and factions that hypothesized that Harry didn't understand the whole story yet.

 

Note: As I said yesterday... enough of the 'shipping battles. DO NOT discuss other posters' preferences like they are enemy factions. If this keeps up, people will be taking vacations. Stay on topic and play nice.

 

True dat.

Tho since RJ is now director/screenwriter, I wonder if the Mystery Box will be as guarded as TFA?... JJ after all is executive producer... But maybe RJ has some tricks up his sleeve when it comes to leaks, spoilers and teasers...

as much as I am itching to know what happens already, I still want to be totally surprised for everything come Dec 2017... I hope they bait, and tease us fans really well...but I hope for the biggest payoff also. Reylo endgame or not. Please make it goooood!

 

She didn't post the picture, she liked somebody else's picture.

 

You do realize that they will not give the complete version of things they intend to show in sequels to avoid giving spoilers....so I wouldn't call it 100% fact till the episode actually gets released.

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion and let us leave it at that...I don't want to argue with you further because I don't come here to argue with people, and I am missing out on posts I actually want to read/reply to.

 

yup, tumblr user reylophos said it best when she stated:

"Daisy liking that photo on Instagram means so much to me.
Am I, and other Reylo fans overreacting? Maybe. But it means so much more than just a simple ‘like’ on fanart.
Since the movie came out, Reylo fans have been harassed and shamed. I’ve had to block over 350 tumblr users for hate-filled messages directed at Reylo fans in the #Reylo tag. We’ve been called disgusting and delusional and every kind of “___ist” there is.
Daisy liking that photo, even if it’s nothing more than her showing support for a single fan’s artwork, blows all that hate from antis away. Obviously I know Daisy liking that photo doesn’t mean that it’s canon, but it DOES mean she sees Reylo in a positive light and supports our fanworks.
Thank you Daisy, for your quiet yet powerful support. "

 

I didn't know Rey and Hux was a ship. That's news to me. It started with the idea she might be of dark lineage, ie Palpatine. Apparently

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Really there is ppl who ship them. Maybe its a ghost ship. A ship that sail but dont have crew in it and some ppl do report it sighting but there is no evidence of it existence . it basically a myth hehe

 

Woahh haven't written here in awhile...but I have been lurking around. I just had to say though that Daisy liking a reylo pic is HUGE. Her liking the pic means...
1. Kylo and Rey are not related?? If she knew she they were, why would she like a pic like that?? I mean sure she's being supportive of people's art but why would she like an incestuous pic like that?
2. Big point: Shows that Kylo Ren is not a huge scumbug as people like to see him as. If he was soo bad and so beneath her, why would she, an actress who is very aware of how empowered her character is and how important it is to maintain that image, stoop so low to like a pic with her character with a very bad guy? Has anyone ever seen Room? Where Brie Larson's character is trapped by a disgusting creepy guy for 7 years? Now imagine Brie Larson liked some sick fan art pic of her character with the guy. That would be despicable indeed. Daisy liking a reylo pic means Kylo Ren is not as heinous as people make him out to be. Yes he's done awful things, killed his father etc. but we've said many times before that he can still yet change.

And I go off to the shadows again.

 

Yea definitely. They are applying the obsession Hux has for power. If Rey is a descendent of Palpatine, he'll want to have her for dark Empress, and he'll be dark Lord haha, kinda cool actually! However!

This is REYLO!!!!! YAAAYYYY

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I see it in the same way. We have no clear idea about who the players are in relation to each other, but the book indicates that there has been an ongoing problem between Lor San Tekka, those villagers and the FO and/or KoR.

On pages 20 and 21 of the book it says the following:

"You don't belong with them." Tekka spoke calmly, in matter-of-fact tones, and without any fear. Speaking truth to the lie that stood before him, striving to bring light to darkness. The hope was a faint one, but he had to try. "The First Order arose from the dark side. You did not."

Impatience on the part of the visitor [Kylo Ren] gave way to exasperation. "How is it possible that a conversation becomes so tedious, so quickly?" A sweep of one long arm encompassed the boundaries of the village. "Don't turn a simple transaction into a tragedy for these people." A tincture of undiluted sadism stained the voice behind the mask. "Hasn't your presence here done enough for them already?"

"I made my peace with this folk and this place long ago. As to the other, to turn away from your heritage is the true tragedy."


When I first read this, it made me think that this village may have been one of the locations of the either the KoR attack -or- Luke's "Academy" attack we see in the Forceback. Lor San Tekka was originally conceived as a Church of the Force vicar ... so one could argue that the people in this village are his acolytes. In addition, Pablo Hidalgo put some doubt on whether we should call the attack with Luke being an attack on "an academy". I believe this is from the same tweet that said the attack on Luke was much more recent than people thought. Also, later in the book the village is referred to as a "sacred village", further hinting at a kind of religious connection.

I think based on the above a good argument could be made that these people were Jedi-friendly force worshippers. The FO is enemies with the Jedi. They view them as enemies of the state who want to destroy their government. As supporters of Jedism and as harborers of a known FO fugitive, the FO would consider this village to being akin to an enemy-combatant/terrorist type of village. Their strong defensive measures indicate they are not a bunch milkmaids, and the quoted portion also indicates that they have had run-ins with the FO or KoR before. It doesn't make it good, but this could bring some dimension to the whole incident.

11-4D brought up a terrorist group, so let's use that analogy, but turn it around to see how a modern day military might deal with this situation. The FO most likely views this village as a terrorist stronghold, teeming with enemies who wish to cause harm to the FO. The best modern-day analogy would probably be the attack on the compound holding Bin Laden. Now I have received most of my information on that raid from Zero Dark Thirty ... so let's just assume for the sake of argument that that portrayal was basically accurate. In the movie the SEAL team shot plenty of men and their wives while the raid was ongoing, but took pains to keep kids out of harm's way and also protected some of the wives and anyone else who surrendered. That's basic 2011, modern military rules of engagement.

The problem is that TFA seems like some amalgam of the Wild West, Medieval/Warlord times and ancient/Greco/Roman times. The rules of engagement were a lot tougher back in those times. So I think it's tricky to impose 2016 morals on a fictional world where *everybody* shoots way too many people, including Han, Rey, and the awakened Finn who shoots his former comrades without a second thought ... in fact, he actually cheers about it. But since he's designated "good" nobody cares.

There is no question that Kylo does a very bad thing there, but in a fictional world where Vader was redeemed, I don't know how important it is in the whole scheme of things, particularly when it may turn out that this village might have a connection to Luke which might make Ren's sins so much worse or which might muddy them and cause the audience to give him and Luke a second look.

I think Force22 is right. The scene sets up Kylo as this nasty covert ops warlord with way too much power. He's going to change over time. He either is going to get worse or he is going to get better.

 

I really don't get why so much Reylo hate.
I actually think the reaction to Reylo was planned. They let us think Rey and Kylo might be siblings or cousins, and then, everyone was surprised. This is very different, because most romantic couples are shown in the trailers.

The surprise is what got people so interested. JJ right now:



Except that I don't think they expected all that hate.
rowan_greenleaf suggested (I can't find the post) that Rey's parentage reveal should be done gradually, through a process of elimination. I think they did it in TFA. Rey didn't seem to be Han's daughter, Rey didn't seem to be Luke's daughter.

With everybody so sure Rey is a Skywalker, I suppose the reaction was this:



No problem. The first promo video addresses exactly this issue. Why re-film a scene from the previous movie? Especially in a different location, in a weird way? They wanted the audience to get a second look on Luke's face:



I'm not sure that was super clear for everyone, but, again, why have this scene again? I think they wanted to clarify that Rey is not Luke's daughter.

I think Reylo is canon already, meaning that there are undertones and tension already, and it will continue to be canon, in some form or another.
The hate... I don't know, the hate is because some people have a very fixed idea of what the story is going to be.

 

I agree about Elsa! I guess I just couldn't see Empress Rey happening because it's not any old fairytale kingdom; it's like being heir to Hitler. If Rey were a Palpatine, in order to claim her throne she'd have to throw in her lot with the imperial supporters, which would be the First Order now. Nobody else sees the Galactic Empire as legitimate, let alone wants it to make a comeback.

 

if we are talking terrorists and war etc how about when the American military bombed the medicine san frontiers facility on an account of thinking there was terrorists hiding in the building but ended up killing some of the doctors and patients, if we are talking about modern day military its not like it hasnt done some shady AF things, western military included despite western military being labeled as good guys and im being kind when i say shady