ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Mechanical limbs metaphorically connect the Skywalker men. In Return of the Jedi, after furiously dominating Darth Vader, Luke chops off Vader's hand and sees that, like his own, it is made up of metal and wires. He then looks at his own hand, reminding himself that he and his father are one in the same. Luke casts aside his lightsaber, refusing to give in to the Dark side. Similarly, I would imagine that, during the Jedi temple massacre, Luke would have been unable to kill his nephew, Ben Solo. Perhaps he did sever one of this limbs though? A mechanical hand would serve to symbolically bind Kylo Ren to his family.

 

AWESOME!

Isn't it interesting how Reylo mirrors a lot of anime as well as rich in literary tropes?

We've seen Rey and Kylo compared in context to anime like Rurouni Kenshin, Nausicaa, Naruto, others mentioned that I forgot, and now Card Captor! (I actually gravitated towards Reylo because it reminded me a lot of SasuSaku w/c I am a major shipper of and do not get me started on comparing Ben Solo to Uchiha Sasuke)


I realize that if Reylo has these similiarities with many different characters, it makes it absolutely easy for people to like their dynamic and get into. I know Villain/Hero pairings are somewhat common, but in a very shallow sense...But Reylo is anything but shallow. Classical lit tropes makes Reylo rich in subtext and meaning whereas the similarities to popular anime makes it easily endearing...

This way Reylo can be liked by almost anybody. It's relatable, not in a real life situation, but in a literary sense.

 

I can't remember if I read about the data card or it was speculation but in the movie someone hands something to Leia and it looks like she reads it and says they are charging the weapon and we are the next target.

We don't ever actually see Kylo's hands, so he could.

 

How is this sick thread at 700+ pages!!?? Ugghh!

Mods please tell me you will lock and close this thread once Rey is revealed to be a relative of Kylo. If she isnt..there's a plate of crow waiting I guess.

Shadojoker: If you don't like the subject or have nothing of substance to add, please feel free to stay out of it or not contribute.

"Sick thread" is baiting; we don't allow baiting.

Most posters here believe there is no close blood relationship between the two characters and so any possibility of romance between the two is fine and dandy. They are as right as you are at this point.

Behave unless you want a 24 hour vacation from the boards.

 

We left very similar posts. I wouldn't even consider a fake hand a disfigurement, especially if it's already part of the character we met in The Force Awakens. It would be just another thing he hides beneath all those layers of black... a symbolic link to the family he was severed from. How fitting that he would conceal it.

 

( raises hand )

Never even knew about the term 'shipper' or the 'shipping' scene until i found this thread, while on a quest to learn more about the Kylo Ren character.
I've now been introduced to it here, but i don't frequent that scene. Still, nice to know about...and i do enjoy some of the excellent artwork i have come across.

I did not pick up on a lot of the points between Rey and Kylo until reading this thread....but then again, i feel like i missed a lot during that first viewing of TFA.
It was a lively audience, and the overall excitement of 'the event' of seeing it finally made some things fly over my head.
However, i immediately became interested in those two characters and wanted to learn more about them.
It introduced me to Adam Driver's work, which i have enjoyed exploring slowly online...primarily interviews.
So i went on a online quest to learn more, and found this Forum.
I read for about two weeks before joining officially....this thread being the primary motivator that made me want to actively contribute instead of being a 'lurker'.

My second viewing of the film was far better, and far more engrossing, because i was better able to pay attention to the subtle acting and dialog.
I will also admit that some points brought up here made me pay more attention to certain scenes, which dramatically enhanced them in my opinion.
The third viewing was most certainly 'tainted' with 'Reylo' overtones.....but i think it's a case of projecting what you want to see into scenes that it may not have originally been intended for.

One thing is for certain however - this thread and the thought provoking posts have definitely brought a new dimension to enjoying these characters on a deeper level.
I cannot wait to see how these characters develop in the next chapter.
Fingers crossed for excellence!

 

Maybe if you took the time to actually read the thread, you would understand. But then, I'm sure it's easier to spout off the first thing that comes to the top of your head than putting in any real effort, isn't it...

 

FrolickingFizzgig - As far as I'm aware, Kylo knows of the Skywalker legacy lightsaber because it was once (briefly) in his possession during that unfilmed or removed segment in Rey's vision which was supposed to show how Maz came to have it in her possession. I'm not 100% but I think the lightsaber was supposed to have been recovered by the Knights of Ren on Bespin and presumably given to Kylo. How Maz got hold of it, I'm not sure, but she was a space pirate. If that is the legacy lightsaber hanging from Kylo's belt during that rainy Rey vision segment, he obviously considered it his. But how long he had it for and if he ever used it is another matter altogether.

 

I'd chose the latter..I read the 1st 5 pages when it started..didn't realize this thread grew..I'm pretty sure the topics and discussions are deep, not lacking insight etc..

But based on how it started and where it's heading it's still surprising. You just became a member so watch your tone when addressing a senior member of these boards. I was merely sarcastic in my response. But it is what it is.

Shadojoker: Stop mini-modding. Senior member or not, behave. Don't tell others how to behave, how to post, or what tone to use. Report it to a mod if you think it's over the line.

 

AWESOME!

Isn't it interesting how Reylo mirrors a lot of anime as well as rich in literary tropes?

We've seen Rey and Kylo compared in context to anime like Rurouni Kenshin, Nausicaa, Naruto, others mentioned that I forgot, and now Card Captor! (I actually gravitated towards Reylo because it reminded me a lot of SasuSaku w/c I am a major shipper of and do not get me started on comparing Ben Solo to Uchiha Sasuke)


I realize that if Reylo has these similiarities with many different characters, it makes it absolutely easy for people to like their dynamic. I know Villain/Hero pairings are somewhat common, but in a very shallow sense...But Reylo is anything but shallow. Classical lit tropes makes Reylo rich in subtext and meaning whereas the similarities to popular anime

 

I know. But when i saw it, basically I was like hehehe. Reylo could gain thousand fans in China, Russia, ...etc... but what Daisy has done is like a hard slap for those haters who like to bash people



Anyway....



Happy Family

 

When you are asking mods to close a thread that's 700 pages worth of discussion simply because you don't agree, that's an issue. I see now that you're a long time member. Congratulations. Your initial post still came off as rude.

I realize this thread is massive and would literally take weeks to read the entire thing. However, there are some great pieces of insight by various members detailing speculating how it can be shown that Rey is NOT a Skywalker.

We don't know where she comes from til it's revealed.

IoJovi: same warning I just gave above: don't mini-mod (Congrats..., etc.). Call the mods via PM or report so we can handle it. Such responses can end up escalating a bad situation into worse.

 

BladenSoul3003 That Reylo family is most adorable thing ever. I see that they are becoming big hit with cosplayers.

 

It's kind of hard to say if any of that old-script information is going to end up being used in Episode VIII. They might have made big changes after-the-fact, as per Rian Johnson's request. I still think the Knight of Ren bit of the Forceback could be from the future... why show a random scene of Ren killing a random nobody years ago in Rey's vision? It doesn't make sense to me, and it was one of the longest, most iconic and visually striking parts in the entire flashback. Why not show Maz picking up the saber? Why show Kylo Ren saving "someone" in Rey's place? Leaving something like that in there and then never referencing it again—or referencing it just for Maz to say "and that's how I got the Skywalker saber"—seems like sloppy writing to me. However, presuming they have a better way of tying it in, I'll be all for it.

All big "IFS" in this next bit. If the Academy massacre went down just as we've been told (practically impossible), and if Ren slaughtered Luke's students (likely), then I think it would be extremely apt if he used Anakin's saber.

 

This reminds me of the SasuSaku hate... if SasuSaku were portrayed by real actors like in movies, god, shippers and antis would cause such a mess... The worst I've seen was the Bethyl (BethxDaryl Walking Dead) hate.

I was lurking in the Bethyl thread in some forums and gosh the hate was totally toxic. Emily Kinney god totally unnecessary hate and threats. Her singing career was ridiculed even tho shes just starting out. Bashers were relentless on her until Melissa McBride (Carol of the opposing ship Caryl) had to call them out on it. The backlash and hate on Reylo now reminds me of my Bethyl shipping days. It's almost too similar that Im partly convinced the haters are the same people.

in a way, my fellow Bethylers also reminds me of some of you here. We knew and have accepted that TWD will never give us that Bethyl endgame. But those 2 episodes were more than enough for us and those scenes shown will always be canon. Not to bash on Caryl, but after Bethyl sank, no significant Caryl moment even happened.

So this goes the same for me with Reylo. Those scenes we say, no matter how others interpret it, will forever be in SW history. The subtext is there and cannot be erased and until debunked by next films, is canon.

 

Everyone please ignore a post above (in that I mean don't respond to it)...I'm handling.

 

Maz part was seriously cut, probably because that ugly mo'cap costs a fortune to have her in the background spouting exposition. So they supposedly gave some of her lines to Han. But the character originally accompanied Han and Finn to the Resistance base and vision showed how she got the saber (stole it from KoR who were busy looting the village that they attacked in order to get the saber...that's where Kylo kills clan leader). Mind you, original quest wasn't for the map but for the saber.

 

I think a lot of people simply don't like the idea of a very creepy mass murderer winning the heart of our badass female hero. Understandable, really. Moral relativism isn't for everybody. Definitely not for me.

But carry on.

 

yeah, guys, seriously, please stop responding to baiters. It's obvious based on the tone and content who baiters are and how they defer from those who want constructive discussion. If you can't put them on Ignore just don't reply.

 

I wish Pablo Hildalgo's tweets were more reliable because he has been pooh-poohing the rumours around Rey Skywalker for a while, in a round-about-way, which could be misdirection anyway, I guess... Is it asking too much for them to just come out and say Rey is not a Skywalker in any form? I know they won't because all speculation is good for keeping the hype going... Oh, but the agony...

It's not only the Reylo aspect to it (even though it causes so much bile to be directed at shippers) it's also counting against the (hoped for) redemption arc, because some people see Kylo as the disposable/defective Skywalker and want Rey to be the perfect saviour (as well as giving Luke the family he "deserves" and kicking Leia to the curb again! )

 

I wish Pablo just shuts up. Period. I prefer rumors from very reliable sources to whatever misdirection people associated with the production try to do.

 

*Throws ovaries at Adam Driver*

 

Yeah, me too, it's just so frustrating.

If it's true that we won't get the reveal of Rey's parentage until Episode IX, I guess we'd better stay buckled up as we ride those bumps in the road! The thought of the Rey Skywalker thing dragging on until 2019 is just too much! But I guess we should get some hints in 8 as to whether we've been totally barking up the wrong tree or not...

 

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I can see this too. Him spiriting her away again... But this time there's a better understanding that he did not kidnap her and he is fugitive as well as they are both hunted down by both sides...and he simply wanted to protect her.

 

It's funny though. A lot of people here think Kylo and Rey WILL be alone for some time in the future, ie he trains her using Force Bond. Whether they are with each other alone or separated.
The force bond theory, honestly I can see it happening, I also believe it will be what turns Rey around. Kylo Ren seeks companionship to me more than anything. I believe he'll want to be physically alone with Rey for as long as he can, if he does get her and whisk her somewhere. She's the one who has to decide how to feel about Ben Solo

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