ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Is 1500 a lot? I wouldn't really know. They didn't credit me, but they did at least say they found the comment somewhere else. If they had actually claimed to have written it I might be more irritated xD

Publishing my essay would involve making a Tumblr. I really enjoy talking here, but I've heard about all the hate on Tumblr and I'd rather steer clear of it. If someone here wants to publish it for me I'll be perfectly fine with that, as long as my name is on it and everything. I would actually love it if someone here shared it for me.

Yep, Ren's theme gets quieter and a lot more dissonant as the film progresses. Definitely a metaphor for his character development. As he unravels his epic Vader-inspired theme unravels along with him.

 

They should have least linked your post here.

I will say that for him, Kylo does not downplay her power.

Would Kylo have picked up that she tapped in to the dark side at that moment? Would he have sensed Snoke speaking to Rey? At this point, Kylo may really be like, There is a dark side to her! We need to be together!

And that may be just fighting side by side, or more. Who knows at this point?

 

Ok, im convinced this is going to be an epic love story. Yin and Yang is too similar to these two, I feel like Finn is jthe element which brings them together, if it wasn't for him, Ren would have never found Rey in the first place. You gotta thank him for that.

 

Same here.

 

I watched it earlier too, very interesting! Thanks to whoever posted it. Apologies, I'm too lazy to scroll back!

The whole implication behind the "Mystery Box" is that it's something best left unopened. But people want answers and are usually often disappointed when they get them.

When it comes to something like Rey's parentage, it's hard to see at this stage how any answer could be "profoundly satisfying" to the audience as a whole. After reading a few articles and listening to podcasts/YouTube videos etc, I'm starting to think JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson and Co have a few possibilities up their sleeves, especially if the reveal isn't coming until Episode IX. This article in particular gave me pause http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-rogue-one-is-as-important-to-star-wars-as-episode-v-1761067899 because it suggests that if Rogue One doesn't perform well, the audience isn't ready for Star Wars without the Skywalkers. Of course, we still have three confirmed Skywalkers in the main trilogy, but it makes me wonder how much Rey's lineage might hinge on these kind of factors. Episode 8 will have finished filming long before Rogue One comes out, but there's probably still room for limited reshoots etc, if it wouldn't change the overall plot too much.

Maybe I'm being too cynical, I hope so. I've probably let myself get too invested in Reylo, and particularly the prospect of seeing Kylo redeemed. I'll be more heartbroken if the latter doesn't happen, to be honest.

 

Im sorry but its like the movie makers literally ripped the concept of yin and yang for that poem in the book about night and day:

1. Neither Yin nor Yang are absolute. Nothing is completely Yin or completely Yang. Each aspect contains the beginning point for the other aspect. For example: day becomes night and then night becomes day…Yin and Yang are interdependent upon each other so that the definition of one requires the definition for the other to be complete.
2. Yin Yang is not static. The nature of Yin and Yang flows and changes with time. A simple example is thinking about how the day gradually flows into night. However, the length of day and night are changing. As the earth ages, its spin is slowing causing the length of day and night to get longer. Day and night are not static entities.Sometimes changes in the relationship between Yin and Yang can be dramatic where one aspect can literally just transform into the other.
3. The summation of Yin and Yang form a whole. One effect of this is: as one aspect increases the other decreases to maintain overall balance of the whole. (Ren turning grey)

 

Believe me, when it comes to Kylo Ren's redemption arc, you have nothing to worry about. He's become a beloved character within two months. He was written to be redeemed. I wrote something yesterday based on this little saying that Lawrence Kasdan quoted from Japanese filmmaker Akira Kurosawa: "The heroes are the ones that are still changing and the villains are locked and petrified into what they are."

"True villains cannot be redeemed. A story's "Big-Bad" is exactly that, a picture of extreme wickedness, of everlasting evil. The depraved characters of villains like Voldemort, Sauron, and the Emperor are never even questioned. When a villain is truly beyond saving, the audience knows it. Nobody even bothers to ask "will this character be redeemed?" As soon as the question of possible redemption is posed, the answer is yes 99.99999% of the time. Character development demands it!"

"Kylo Ren, like Zuko, Gaara, and Spike, is a provisional villain. People empathize with his internal conflict. They want to see him embrace the light. These baddies are almost always presided over by a greater, more mysterious threat (i.e. Snoke, Fire Lord Ozai, Angelus). Their characters are dragged down to the depths of depravity so the audience can feel elated when they are raised up. Characters like Kylo Ren are not written to be slaughtered like monsters. They illustrate what the protagonist could become if he/she gives in to selfish desires or becomes corrupted by emotional and psychological conflict. Ultimately, these provisional villains represent man's age old aspiration to walk through sin and temptation and emerge changed for the better."

 

OMG From the mouth of 5 year-old child


Sure i know kids love Kylo. Some parents even posted photos of their child giving gifts to him like this...







...which i didn't understand why they needed to do that until today

 

There is something incredibly erotic about this dynamic. So often, the sexual dynamics that girls are brought up with are ones where women attach themselves as an adjunct to a powerful man. In that dynamic, the man still has all the power, and the women are seduced by it and enjoy its benefit. They may influence and inspire, but they are not powerful in and of themselves.

I think for some women, being the powerful one, the one who inspires awe in a male character who is portrayed as powerful and capable in and of himself, is very exciting. It's a chance to be the seducer (see: Kylo seduced to the light), the main actor in their relationship (rather than the "re-actor").

Women are so often taught that they are the vulnerable ones, both physically and emotionally. Rey and Kylo's dynamic is the reverse.

I really like it, and I see it rarely outside of some fanfiction. I kind of hope the films continue with this theme. I don't know of any mainstream entertainment that embraces a similar kind of romance.

 

Panda space bear is yin yang too.

 

Whaa?


Ok, Ok, im really excited now because if they are this universes version of Yin and Yang, they are split and need to be brought together. Finn seems to be the thing which brings these two together,

I think he fits this part because like I said before there is a really weird cut in this movie:

1. Finn meets Rey, they get on quite well,
2. then an alarm goes off
3 Cuts to soldier telling Ren about Finn which enrages Ren, this is the first imbalance see in his character and then we hear about a girl,..... WHAT GIRL? Ren would have had no idea where she was if Finn hadn't have found her. This is where his chase of his "yang" starts
4. Cut straight back to Rey with alarm bells.

 

I see a connection...
Yin/Yang... Pandas... SPACE BEARS. they are the space bears.


"STAR WARS Episode VIII: REYLO ASCENDING"

or

"RISE OF THE EWOKS"

Either one is plausible.

 

Did anyone see that rumor that was floating around near the end of last year, the one about Jacob Tremblay possibly playing a young jedi in Episode 9. Based on the supposed "evidence" for it, it is probably false but humor me for a minute.
Who else likes the idea of hime playing a young Ben Solo? He's got the skill to pull it off and I see a slight resemblance between him and Adam:


Once again this rumor is probably false, but still, I like this idea

 

Thank you for articulating this so beautifully.

This female power fantasy dovetails nicely with the Kylo-is-a-virgin theories, too . . .

 

Though I definitely think this is reaching, pandas have long been associated with the concept of Yin and Yang in Chinese philosophy. It's not hard to see why lol.

http://facts.randomhistory.com/giant-panda-facts.html:
"Many Chinese philosophers believe that the universe is made of two opposing forces, the Yin and Yang. The panda is one symbol of this philosophy with its contrasting black-and-white fur. The Chinese believe that the gentle nature of the panda demonstrates how the Yin and Yang bring peace and harmony when they are balanced."

And for fun, just a cute space bear eating his dual bladed lightsaber:

 

You've got some inspiring posts today! Thank you!

So yes, on the darkness, I agree. We've been mentioning fairy tales a lot, but fairy tales usually have virtuous constantly good heroines. Even Beauty and the Beast has this dynamics. The message seems to be: be a good, virtuous girl, and everything will be ok. There are some fairy tales about bad princesses turned back to good, but then the protagonist is male. I'm not saying Rey is bad, but she has an edge, she can defy the villain, and she's still the heroine.

As to "vulnerable heroine"... No, she's portrayed as tough from the start. She finds her strength in the force, but she's tough already, so she's definitely not a defenceless heroine. And that's interesting, because the heroines that care bridal carried in monster movies are usually weaker, their strength is their compassion, their ability to get sympathy/empathy from the monster, etc.

And yes to the last line I bolded. I hope to see more feminine monsters in Rey. She doesn't need to turn dark, and I'm not sure that's the point, cause then her darkness would need to be destroyed.

 

Guys I found a fanart of my -exact- headcanon on tumblr, it was made by elithien. | The thing is, I just talked about it ~ a week ago on this thread! ^^





(a girl can dream)

 

Some Japanese anime/manga embraces that kind of romance... for example Cardcaptor Sakura. The main character Sakura and her future love interest Syaoran used to be rivals. As the story progressed, their dynamic changed from adversaries who later developed grudging respect for each other then to allies. They eventually became friends and ended up as lovers. It's a huge payoff to see their relationship develop, it's a slow but steady burn.

I honestly don't know... it's up to the OP and the mods I guess.

 

I have to say if the film makers have thought it out to that level of detail with the Yin and Yang, linking that with the Rey and Ren names as you explained them, and then calling this all Space Bear- oh and maybe a Force bond?- I am pretty impressed by the layers and complexities of this story.

 

Yes!!!
The key here is that Kylo is also powerful and capable. Very powerful indeed.
There are some stories where a powerful heroine falls for a man who doesn't mind her awesomeness, but these stories tend to portray the heroine with a partner that's, let's say, not as powerful and capable as she is.

These stories are fine and they have interesting dynamics. But if the only female characters to get the top hot guys are the fragile, "feminine" (whatever that means), and the awesome girls are getting cute and nice wimps (which are fine), it does send a negative message to the level of power a woman can have. I don't know, it's almost as these fictions can't allow women and men to be equal.

 

They are strikingly beautiful couple. I currently have my unmasked Kylo and Rey with lowered lightsabers and holding hands as if at the wedding, which is the point. They would make a gorgeous bride and groom. I'd love a twist where she cloaks the groom and brings him under her protection.

Sucks that the Jedi don't get married so there are no interesting rituals. I loved Klingon wedding ritual where groom and bride symbolically fight (from 1:45 mark).

 

Lol, look what I posted way back on page 76

Love all the power fantasy talk

 

I feel like they wanted to make a love story, searched yin and yang and just ripped a load of concepts off the internet, because the poem is so similar to the concept of Yin and Yang theres just so much, even down to the way she wears white and he wears black even. The poem in the book, to me it just seems like they brought Yin and Yang into jedi speech.

Im a filmmaker, i've worked on many productions (one with one of the Knights of Ren, Mr Stanley) you wouldn't believe the amount of passion that goes into a project if you love what you do. You cram as much symbolism into something as you can if you want to get a strong message across to the audience.

You plan out every important shot to convey a certain message to the audience. Its like art, people want to impact on an audience with a beautiful painting which is full of meaning, something that will etch into your memory forever. Film is no different. Which is why a scene like the forest scene can never just be "accident with no thought behind it". Im sorry but no. It's one of the weakest arguments ever to say that "sometimes a scene is just a scene", unless its just a random dialogue shot. maybe.

Usually, every single shot has been thought out in order to convey the message you want to the audience, in story boards, photographs and you hire a DOP to get the lighting just right, to set the mood, There is so much language in film, some people just done get it though.

Like for example the scene where Finn wants to leave and theres a moment between him and Rey, you think she's positioned higher by accident? No she is the hero, he is the supporting character and they reversed the roles.

 

In the EU, Jaina Solo was a Jedi and got married, I thought. But that's the EU...

 

In my life, I have often been given the message that I am too strong (emotionally), too smart, too achieving, too tomboyish, too ambitious, too "remote" (as in, not vulnerable enough). These qualities are treated as liabilities for a woman. "No one will want you," people say. "Guys like to feel strong, needed." "Don't try to sound too smart, don't be threatening!" "Be ambitious, but don't let it show! Or you'll scare people away!"

It's extremely heady when a man who you admire admires you back for the very qualities that you are often told to disguise and muffle.