ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

I think that Kylo will definitely progress as far as his powers and control over them go. They did stress that he is an unfinished article in TFA, and made sure to mention in the movie that his training is still to be completed, so I expect him to change, in that respect. Personally, while I definitely want more inner conflict and Rey-related drama in the next movies, I want Kylo to do cool badass stuff too One of the things I really want to see is Kylo in a real fight-to-kill scrap with a more impressive opponent than Finn (who was brave, bless him, but really no match for Kylo at all). He has such a ferocious physicality to him, the sight of him in a battle at the height of his powers would awesome.

BTW I've seen suggestions that we might get to see Kylo's dark side training in the next episode, but I kinda suspect that it might get skipped over - they can always use the excuse that they never actually showed how much time has lapsed between Kylo's fight with Rey and Rey meeting Luke. I think it's safe to say that in the next film Kylo will be obsessed with tracking Rey and Luke down, so the story might just skip to that instead of making a training detour first.

And big YES to Kylo taking off his glove to maybe touch Rey's face! Very Victorian. This kind of restrained gesture can be incredibly powerful.

More on female power fantasies, one of my favourite romantic stories is by a Russian author who wrote a novel set in pre-Christian Russia, about a girl who becomes a warrior and ends up saving her one true love in the end, who is a great strong warrior himself. I'll admit it's a tad hokey maybe, but this idea of a woman being in charge and completely subverting the usual tropes pushed my buttons like you wouldn't believe. Like, the fantasy of being carried away by a tall dark stranger might be appealing to some women - and I can see why it might be the reason for Reylo's appeal for some shippers because, even though it's subverted later on, it's still there in the movie - but I can safely say it doesn't do a thing for me.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if, for part of VIII, Kylo pretends to be furious and seeking revenge against Rey (on Snoke's orders). But when he finds her, he turns against Snoke/the KoR and goes free agent.

 

I believe that if Ben dies unredeemed, then Snoke wins.

The First Order may be crushed, but Snoke will go down having snagged that one pretty significant victory: the total corruption of a Skywalker.

Who wants to see that? I sure don't.

I want Snoke to go down the way Sidious went: knowing he had failed in everything he tried to do.

And doesn't Princess Leia deserve her son back? Hasn't she earned that?

 

I like that, and I agree. Kylo Ren probably will have some vendetta that's fueled by Snoke. However I do believe he'll go absolutely.... A wall? That the term? I have no clue! Basically, he'll be like ***** this!!! I'm taking her. Maybe, who knows :/

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I also think that the descent of any person into evil is a tragedy. I think everyone deserves all the love and redemption and forgiveness in the world. Everyone deserves to have their family together and sane and happy. Call me crazy but I think characters like Palpatine and Snoke are also very sad, tragic characters. We just don't know their backstories. It would be so nice if absolutely everyone could be saved from the evilness inside of them. But, for the sake of a story, there are sacrifices.

Since Kylo isn't in Snoke's place and we know and will hopefully learn his backstory, I'm hoping he won't be sacrificed for the story. But, in the end, whether kylo is redeemed or not, it better be a really good story! And I'm going to cry.

 

Palpatine as far as I know was just pure evil all his life. Sadistic, finding pleasure in the suffering of others. It's hard to feel sorry for him but I do understand.

For me, when Kylo Ren was feeling depressed while talking to his grandfather, I saw that as a sign of that's where they are going with this guy ultimately. However it kinda diminished when he killed Han, but then shot back to the surface when he asked Rey to be his padawan!

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If they just turn him into a one dimensional villain, then they don't need Adam Driver anymore to play the role. They could just hire a stuntman and have him masked all the time.

I’m not sure, I have a hardcopy. My sister bought it from an online store. I can scan Kylo Ren / Adam Driver’s section if you like.

 

Armadeus sorry about that double post quote. I had a moment of silliness lol

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You are correct.

As for this "not holding water" because it's in different languages, I disagree. I think that if their names meant king/queen/ruler in the same language it would be too obvious, too neat. The fact that it's in different languages makes more sense.

As for the significance of it, think about any two lovers who discover that their names mean the same thing in different languages. They'd be delighted at such a cool coincidence more than likely. But in Star Wars I don't believe in cool coincidences. Especially when the meaning is '"ruler." Why, when they could have chosen any two names for these characters? Things that make you go hmmmm.

darth_frared, agreed with your thoughts on teaching. For me the best quality of teaching is when knowledge flows both ways, not just downhill. You learn much about yourself and your knowledge as much as you do about your pupil's when teaching in this two way flow, and together you can go in new directions and the teacher can learn new things as well. If you think about this in the context of a Force bond, it would be completely awesome. XD

 

Also, how thrilling will it be for viewers. If Rey is a Kenobi, that her enemy is named after her Grandfather, while Rey is the granddaughter of Vaders mortal enemy. Kylo knows Vader won't be happy with that lol, whoops sorry grand dadio!
History repeats but in different dynamics.


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Rey and Ren mean King/Queen in a lot of different languages, not just the very open to interpretation French translations. I'm with rowan_greenleaf on this one. There are no coincidences like this in Star Wars. It wouldn't have made any sense to actually name them Reine and Roi, or any direct translation combination. The symbology is there because the names reference highly distinct meanings in more than one language.

 

I'm curious to see where the story goes!! Will Ren and Rey end up rulers of THE Galaxy!! The suspense is killing me!

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What about Guardians of the Galaxy? lol

 

I have to say it doesn't matter to me in what languages their names have hidden meanings, it's just not really that important

rowan_greenleaf

yes!

I want to think more about what kind of teacher kylo ren thinks he is

I don't think teaching in itself is about knowledge, knowledge to me has a trivial connotation, I'm more interested in understanding. if the force bond is something that enables her and him when they are together, makes them stronger or more even together, then it would be a very mutual experience. learning from your peers. I believe it's all the rage like a force self-help group.

 

Is anyone else aware or surprised that underneath Kylo Rens garments, he's wearing suspenders? Lol! I know I am

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After careful consideration , I decided that they had to drop the waistband down in order to accommodate that very thick belt, which would have left Adam vulnerable to having his trousers fall down when he was moving around. I can see that this wouldn't look very villainous. Sadly.

 

I feel this way too. The Reylo dynamic isn’t simply a reversal of gender stereotypes. When gender roles are reversed, the woman typically takes on the traditional ”strong male” role and the man usually ends up playing the sidekick who has some traditionally feminine weaknesses and is often in need of rescuing. As if the writers were scared of writing a strong male for fear of him upstaging the strong female. But that’s not what’s going on here. In spite of her strength, Rey is in many ways very feminine, and in spite of his weakness, Ren is very masculine. Ren has many weaknesses and insecurities, but as was pointed out in this thread, his masculinity doesn’t seem to be one of them, and TFA establishes him as a pointedly masculine presence. The film even goes out of its way to emphasise the size difference between him and Rey, and the phallic symbolism of his lightsabre is hard to miss. The reversal in this dynamic is so intriguing because it isn’t a simple reversal of roles. It is powerful and unique.

Even if you think of him as a virginal prince under the spell of a dark wizard, waiting to be awakened with a kiss (which is totally my headcanon too ) it’s still not a simple role reversal because the sexual energy that Adam brings to Ren’s role may be forcibly contained and misunderstood even by Ren himself, but it’s by no means stereotypically feminine in the sense of being passive. On the contrary, it seems restless and fiery, but it’s held imprisoned. That’s how it comes across anyhow. TFA isn’t about sex so it’s all about the way you interpret the subtext. But it’s hard to see Adam Driver’s Ren as being a passive character. The actor himself has that restless energy about him.

It’s like Rey and and Ren are both male and female. In other words, complex and dynamic human beings, not stereotypes in relation to each other. Ren is the tall dark stranger and yet… something completely different. Rey is the petite girl with the sweet face of a Disney princess and she’s ferocious and awe-inspiring, not just token ”girl power” but power that transcends gender. I also think that she becomes a complex and fully rounded character when she interacts with him. With others, she’s cute and sweet, and a plucky action girl, but with him she shows different sides of her character.

Count me in as another one who will lose all interest in the ST if they destroy Ren’s character. There’s so much potential here. To throw it away would be a criminal waste, and to me it would be a disappointment I wouldn’t be able to shrug off. I’m sure SW would make a lot of money no matter what they do, but they’d lose mine. I’d go back to being just a fan of the OT and the Old Republic.

darth_frared Force self-help group Love it. I want to join one of those!

 

I had to share this guys

 

Jakku

I am so glad you are bringing up this very important point

Darth Imbecillis

there is a film I love very much, 'the empress and the warrior' it's a german film from over ten years back, it contains a dream where the titular lovers are also dreaming that they are both genders...

there is another image of people having been separated by the gods and we are continuously searching for our other half...

 

Yo, count me in Shirtless Kylo group





Hehehe

You're so right. I remember there was a big argument about the box office of "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" vs "Captain America: Civil War" between DC Fanboy and Marvel Fanboy in reddit and box office forum. The funniest part is when Marvel Fanboy proudly proclaimed that Civil Wars will easily beat Bat v Sup because Marvel movies had Fangirl's support while DC had none
The fact that Reylo is very popular in Asia, China, Russia,..etc... can be considered as both strength and weakness for Star Wars's worldwide box office.
If Lucasfilm can't do it right and screw everything up.... yeah James Cameron's Avatar will be very happy to step into the playground, and they aren't another DC like "Marvel vs. DC".

 

Ben Solo won't get unredeemed or dead because he's Ben Solo. They don't have a character like him. They have sunshine heroes who will continue to be shiny even if they get obligatory dark temptations that they will resist because they have to. And they have 100% evil villains. Ben Solo is the in-between character, grey area character. It doesn't pay off to kill him and then invent some Kylo or Kylette Lite (something stupid like former KoR who bailed out before actually doing something really bad but still feels bad about less really bad stuff) to replace him. he has the chemistry and history with everyone and that resonates.

Also, unlike various Darths from OT and TP that were either too old to continue or never meant to be anything more but lightsaber fodder, he is young so they can finally do "what happens after redemption, how they live with themselves, how they are received" thingy that they've never done before. That's the interesting part that was always hidden from us because all Darths died. But think about it. if Vader lived, what would happen? Isn't that super interesting? Now they have a chance with Ben Solo. "The rage, the fevah...turns good men...cruel." Yeah, reaction to his return aka Walk of Shame. Must happen.

BladenSoul3003 Holy Smokes that photo of Driver's muscles! Count me in for Redeemed But Totally Grey Ben Solo Becomes A Smuggler/Vigilante Avenger. I want Ben in sequels to wear what Driver is wearing on that picture and get him into fights so we can watch those amazing muscles flex. HOLY COW!

 

To be perfectly frank, I only went to see Force Awakens because my husband wanted to go. I've got no fondness or previous ties to the Star Wars movies. I'd seen the originals and at least one of the prequels, but up until the introduction of Rey and Kylo Ren, I didn't find the saga compelling enough to give a second thought.

If they throw away either of the two characters I'm most invested in, my interest in Star Wars could easily vanish again.

I don't know how typical I am of fans of Force Awakens. Am I part of a newly conquered demographic? Perhaps. I hope so. I hope that if I am, that I am part of a valued demographic that they will hope to retain.

 

Rey is a direct word for King in a language , I saw it on the back of s lion king guide

 

"Long is the way
And hard, that out of Hell leads up to light" - John Milton, Paradise Lost

 

AnneNeville

that's so interesting!

I want to know, did you not see ANY SW before? or were they at the back of your mind? and was it easy to follow? I mean, like, did you think you needed more background?

Armadeus

you're making me want to read Milton now! I think the devil in paradise lost is a really interesting character.