Full Series Rebels 2.18 - Shroud of Darkness - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Where did people watch this??

 

This, IMHO, is the likest outcome.

 

Great episode. I can't wait to see what happens next!


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The series is on the one hand getting more interesting , but it also tries to reach big things , which sometimes seem happening to quickly and need to be expanded upon .
Wonder what the next episodes bring to the table ...

 

Watch Disney XD website or app.

 

Hahaha, Yoda's thought-process cracked me up

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"Kid is strong in the force, aware of the danger, I am."
"Send him to a planet entrenched in the dark side, I must."

 

we already have synopses.

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ext episode: chopper finds the rebels new base
The one after that: rebels make their home at the new base, battling the spider creatures in the trailer
the last episode/2 parter: Meeting Maul, Kanan, Ahsoka and Ezra vs the 3 inquisitors and Ahsoka vs Vader,

what gets me really excited is that we haven't seen this yet. Maybe it's another vision, but I couldnt see Ezra living if he has a solo encounter with Vader. From what we know, Vader only wants Ahsoka alive. Maybe Ahsoka comes to the rescue and Ezra escapes.

 

Really enjoyed this episode, but two things confuse me

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1. That Yoda is very much anti-fighting, when Obi-Wan in ROTJ believes that Luke cannot win, unless he is willing to kill his father (and I would assume Obi-Wan and Yoda were on the same page in that regard), and at the very least, Yoda tells Luke that the Dark Side forever dominates one's destiny. Filoni has voiced before that in his opinion, the plan was always to redeem Vader, but that Yoda and Obi-Wan wanted Luke to arrive at that conclusion himself. The movies have never, ever hinted at that. I'm a little sad to see Filoni partially canonizing this idea in Rebels, by virtue of his firm anti-fighting stance. This was not a thing that ever needed to be canon, IMO.

(EDIT: Oh, and then there's the matter of Yoda trying to kill Palpatine in ROTS, and telling Obi-Wan that Anakin is gone, when Obi-Wan says he can't kill him. This theory of Filoni's does not fit with the films, and they really need to drop it, IMO. I'm a little disappointed that Pablo and the Story Group did not veto it)

2. The weird chronology of events. Rex says he served with Ahsoka at the Siege of Mandalore, which presumably happened after Maul was taken from the planet (which was after Ahsoka left the order). The vision of Anakin accuses Ahsoka of abandoning him and leaving (presumably in reference to her leaving the order). Yet, she says that the last time she saw him was when he was running off to rescue the Chancellor. This to me suggests that she was still very much active in the Republic military, despite no longer being a Jedi. And in that capacity of general/commander/colonel (or whatever rank she held), it seems she still worked along side Anakin. So why her doubts are attacking her, accusing her of abandoning Anakin, it's odd.

 

How do they want to put the whole stuff in the last 2 episodes ? Oh well , wait and see .

 

Regarding number 2, that's not how i saw it. They way I understood it was that

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Anakin was present at the beginning of the Siege of Mandalore, where he and Ahsoka worked together for a brief period before he left to rescue Palpatine when the Battle of Coruscant happened.

 

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Same difference. My point was merely that she was around. It's not like she walked away from the Temple in Season 4 of TCW and never saw him again. Unless the things he says in her vision were things he actually said at the Siege of Mandalore "Why did you leave? [...] Why did you abandon me?" Then I don't see why she would have any guilt, because she would have been working along side him right up til the events of ROTS, which is when things went south for him.

 

Soo... is

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the Grand Inquisitor

a Force Ghost now?

I mean, he would be about the last person I would have expected to do that. What with being a Darksider and all. I mean, he couldn't have been just an illusion projected by Kanan's mind, since 5th Bro and 7th Sis saw him and recognized him when he came out to hold them off.

 

Nope. An illusion.

Remember, it's a Jedi Temple with a connection to the Force. TCW taught us, certain locations, can bring up powerful illusions (see Mortis arc).

 

No, let everyone become Force Ghost. Trials? What trials?

 

It's On Demand on a lot of services, Disney XD and Time Warner Cable to name a few.

 

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The illusion was about Kanan fearing for Ezra; worried about letting go and feeling the need to always protect him. Remember what Kanan said...he can only do his best and acknowledges he can't always be there. He finally understood it. That was the test and it's why we saw the Grand Inquisitor; he gave Ezra his first taste of the dark side.

Go and watch Path of the Jedi again, it explains why well how the Temple works and the trials deep inside

 

I just took them to be Dark Side eyes tbh.

 

Well I had heard theories about

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the Grand Inquisitor being a former Jedi Temple Guard, and it looks like it is true. It looks like Kanan is considered a Jedi Knight now. How ironic that it is a vision of the Grand Inquisitor that knighted him. I know rules are out the window, but it seems weird that a Padawan was teaching another Padawan. I mean I always so Ezra as more of an initiate/youngling for a time, but he has definitely proved himself to be a Padawan.

One of the best episodes of the series so far.

 

I'm dying to see the episode, finally good things happening and I love how they play with all these new characters and how they interact with the movie characters.

I'm dying to see the final episodes but mostly to find out about Ashoka! I can't believe that after 8 years of knowing her, we already don't know anything about her outcome.

 

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1. I thought Yoda's fighting was one of the main complaints about his character in the prequels? He goes on about how "wars not make one great" in V, but was a great warrior himself during the Clone Wars. This episode was just continuing what the Clone Wars was doing by reconciling the two versions of Yoda, and showing how he changed his mind. Yoda's had quite a few years to reflect on the events that led to the fall of the Jedi, just because he said something in Episode III doesn't mean he still agrees with it. Seems to fit with the films pretty well to me.

2. Just because she saw him again after leaving doesn't mean she was actively involved in anything. For all we know that could have been the only time Anakin saw her after she left.

 

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There was nothing that needs reconciling. Yoda tells Obi-Wan, in no uncertain words, "destroy the Sith, we must." This is after his trials with the Force Priestess. I.E. everything he learned about self sacrifice and resisting the Dark Side, etc. happened before this moment, when he wants to kill Palpatine, and he wants Obi-Wan to kill Vader. Obi-Wan objects, saying he'd rather go after Palpatine, because he cannot bring himself to kill Anakin. Yoda responds by telling Obi-Wan that Anakin is gone, consumed by Darth Vader.

Fast forward to the OT (and all those years he had to reflect), and he's telling Luke that once you start down the Dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, just as it did Vader's. Similiarly, Obi-Wan (who originally said he couldn't bring himself to kill Vader) tells Luke that if he cannot kill Vader, then the Emperor has already won. Obi-Wan also tries to downplay the fact that Vader is a person by describing him as more machine than man. Yoda did the exact same thing with Obi-Wan, when he downplayed the fact that he was asking Obi-Wan to kill his own apprentice, by saying that Anakin was already "gone."

From ROTS, straight through to ROTJ, there is continuity that Obi-Wan and Yoda want to kill the Sith.

It is silly, IMO, to argue that Obi-Wan and Yoda are saying the exact same things to Luke that Yoda had said to Obi-Wan when there plan was to kill Palpatine/Vader. Yet Filoni somehow has it in his head that this is what they're doing.

Yoda sees the error in fighting a war. But there was never anything to suggest that Yoda is anti-fighting. It seems like an illogical theory Filoni had that now he gets to make canon (due to his position) unless the Story Group vetoes such ideas.

Lucas had described the films at one point, in reference to Luke's journey, as Luke finding his own path and not having anyone tell him what to do with his life. Not Owen, not Obi-Wan and not Yoda. He did what felt right to him and rebelled against authority, if need be (just as he was part of a government authority). It undermines the narrative, IMO, if Filoni comes in and says that Obi-Wan and Yoda were manipulating Luke with reverse psychology.

 

So if Ahsoka was talking about Yoda post-Korriban, since she already left, is this an error or did they meet once again?

 

The title of the episode reminded me of the episode "Cloak of Darkness" from "The Clone Wars", but it seems the subject is totally different. More Mortis-y...

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I think it was indeed a redeemed Inquisitor cause he was visible to the 5th Brother and 7th Sister so he was a manifestation that was outside of Kanan's head. The whole thing ties to what Dave said a while back that we saw the Grand Inquisitor in "The Clone Wars", but we did not know it was him. Talk about retcon in a way. I doubt we will see the Grand Inquisitor in any form in the future. I think this the "you will learn more about him" part that Filoni talked about in the past.

I bet they met after Korriban. Ahsoka had a good 14 years to herself to commune with Yoda if she wanted to. Maybe he explained the "bigger picture" to her so she joined the rebels.

 

What is this Revan reference I didn't catch?

 

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Yoda told Ezra to go to Malachor.