ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

I personally prefer the Rey Kenobi theory and for those who are interested, this was the video that first made me open to the idea:

After that it was posts from Rey Kenobi near the start this thread that sealed the deal for me

 

That certainly gives a new perspective on it, the way you worded it

 

But he called to her by name. Brobi-Wan was the only person that called to her by name. If Rey was a Browalker, why wouldn't they have Anakin call to her by name?

 

I won't kill anyone, it is a movie, Rey Kenobi is my favorite theory. But it is just that a theory that I am not married to or religious about. I am opened minded to Disney & LF doing something different they had in mind from the beginning. However, as convoluted as it may seem on the surface. The Kenobi theory has for me IMVHO the most "inmovie" evidence and not visual surface evidence but SAGA NARRATIVE evidence. So I am willing and open to hearing the evidence for Rey Palpatine.

 

He calls Luke by his name too in ANH

Not Anakin because Christensen wanted to much money

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And that's when they decided she will be a Kenobi

 

Yea that's what i think. One thing the PT lacked was twists. Everyone knew Palpatine was the emperor unless they are ridiculously stupid.
I think they are going back to what Star Wars was famous for, it's twists as well as its plot.
I mean the Vader reveal was huge back in the day.
In the trailer and marketing before the Force Awakens came out, nobody expected Kylo Ren to be a young man struggling with the light. He is seen crouched over in the forest like a beast/monster. I know I didn't expect it one bit. I was very surprised to see he was a young man, although I never thought of him being a woman like FrolickingFizzgig did.
The trailer pointed at Finn and Rey being together as far as I could see, yet in the film Kylo Ren shows high fascination with Rey that goes beyond him searching for the map. That to me is fascinating and unexpected.
When people saw this film, everyone complained that it was a rehash of ANH. My whole family did. They liked it though, but like everyone online they thought Rey has to be a Skywalker because she is the main character in this series. It's a little too obvious for me to think that though.
Rey having outstanding abilities in the force was ridiculous but when I heard about the Force Bond it made more sense afterwards. It can only explain that that is what is going on and it does remind me of E.T. actually. What Eliot and the alien had. Sharing feelings. Eliot got drunk when E.T. got drunk etc although I'm sure if there is a Force bond it will take a good turn.
Luke and Anakin had to train for years to master their force skills.
Rey repressing memories of using the Force just sounds stupid to me. As if Luke had trained her as a kid or some nonsense I've read online. Mind whipping and such sounds ridiculous. It's not men in black it's Star Wars.
I believe the next film will be different because bait has been laid and they should go another route with the next film.

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I only have two pieces of evidence for Rey Palpatine... 1) that moment where she channels the dark side to beat Kylo at the very end of the fight and 2) she beats him with a sick spin. You know who else beats people with sick spins?



Oh and the thrusting fight style!

 

I agree. But "walking the line between the light and the dark sides", "unleashing new Force powers never before seen"... do you think they might have combined Ben Skywalker and the Solo villain into Ben Solo/Kylo Ren? With a whole new story, of course.

By the way, Palpatine may be heard in Rey's vision as well:

https://www.facebook.com/146284835497632/videos/848948588564583/

I also thought I heard an unidentified voice say "Dark Side" when I last saw the film, but I may have been imagining things. Soon we can all listen and re-listen to our hearts' content, though

 

I'd love the idea that she had Dark Side ancestors or that she was Rey nobody, the first option because it would be a beautiful contrast with Ren, who came from the Light and went Dark. She would be the opposite then and this would fit wonderfully with their roles as complementary opposites. If she was a nobody, this would give the message that anybody can be a great hero, any little girl or boy could be a wonder and I love that as a message. But I think that narratively speaking, at this point I have to bet she is a Kenobi because I think they have left hints here and there suggesting that.

If you asked me, I'd choose Ray No One as my favourite option, the one that pulls at my heartstrings the most, but what I expect is that she is a Kenobi, and I quite like the idea too.

 

I think that the problem with Rey _________ theories is that they all come from what fans personally want and not from "what's in the movie that makes sense from narrative POV'. I can tell you that anything that is convoluted and requires tons of exposition is going to be proven wrong. So far reasons for supporting one or the other are the following:

Cause my ship will sail
Cause it'll sink that ship I hate
Cause it'll give _________ a happy ending
Cause it'll re-introduce _________ into SW
Cause Rian said the movie would be weird and this is weird

All of them will find enough callbacks to support their theory and since there are enough callbacks to Solo/Skywalker/Kenbrobi/Palpatine/Maul (yes, even that one),there are Parentage Wars. However, Rey Solo is debunked now officially (as if the movie wasn't enough but obviously wasn't) and that one had tons of callbacks that made Rey a Solo 100% until she totally wasn't. So anyone is game for debunking because how a small child ended up abandoned on an outer rim desert planet makes any character look very bad and requires tons of 'splaining. And tons of 'splaining = bad writing. So...

 

He'd be a perfect Feanor descendant like he could become the new king of the Noldor in Middle Earth i know he could become my king

 

I find the arguments in the video pretty weak. The clothes are similar, but her clothes are also similar to Luke's and Anakins's, and similar to other people who live in the desert. In the video, he starts by claiming Obi-Wan is good at mind tricks unlike his master, Qui-Gon Jinn. That's not true, it's just that Watto's species is immune to mind tricks, but this detail is omitted from the video... Then the fact that she goes around Starkiller base like when Obi-Wan was in the Death Star. I don't know, there are so many call backs to the OT, and that isn't even a similar one, I mean, Obi-Wan is not doing physical stuff like she is doing, and Rey didn'disable the shields.

Obi-Wan talking to Rey is the only clue that can be interpreted as sign of blood relation. But Obi-Wan talked to Luke as well! And they are not related. Obi-Wan was one of the last jedi, he was a master, he had a lifelong commitment with the force, I don't think he'd only show up for his family. Of course, he could show up for his family.

Why didn't Anakin talk to Rey? Well, do we have in film proof that his force ghost can talk to anyone? I only saw him at the end of ROTJ. Who knows, he might have been sent to after life jedi purgatory, for all I know. Why doesn't he show up to Kylo?

Again, of course Rey can be a Kenobi, but there is no proof yet. There's no proof she's a Palpatine or anything else, though I like the theory that she's related to a king mentioned by Han. I think her story is yet to be explained.

 

Haha I think I'm also in the minority when it comes to not thinking she's related to Obi Wan. I think Obiwan, Anakin and Yoda are just going to be the legendary figures of the past. It's similar in that if she is related to luke, they have to spend a lot of time going back in time to address that. People will obviously be asking how Obiwan had kids with who etc and they would need to be stated in the movie.That being said, I'm pretty open to anything except the Skywalker theory. If she's Obiwan, okay, but I don't know how they'll tell that storyline amongst all the other major ones going on.

I'm actually getting so frustrated trying to figure out her origin! The King Prana/royalty thing is interesting. Prana means the force literally as was posted before, I feel like you can't just have that kind of name for nothing (unless they just wanted the king to sound exotic or whatever). The royalty thing is cool, but most of me just wants her to be a regular scavenger from a non-royal background (in the literal sense of royal). The other thing about a royalty plot is that it somehow has to figure into Luke's plan with the jedi temple etc.

I've actually been thinking about Digimon lol, if anyone's seen that show from like 20 years ago. All the kids were the "digi-destined" because they just happened to be in the right place, at the right time. I'm wondering if something similar happened with Rey (which could explain the mysterious Jakku theory). Depends if she had force powers before TFA or they literally just started on the falcon.

 

I love this. You know, Part of me believes he was also waiting as she closed her eyes because there was force bond stuff going on and he was helping her access the force and his fight skills. This is less certain, though, but I like the idea that he was trying to be like here let me show you how I could teach you, but she is like thanks but I'm still going to slash your face up.
Also this comic:

 

Maz looked at Finn and said......

"if you live long enough you see the same eyes in different people "
Maz then asks Han

"who's the girl"

While in the next Maz scene.... Maz tells Rey....

"I see in your EYES you already know the truth. The people you are waiting for back on Jakku. They're NEVER coming back"

This is AFTER she states the saber was Luke's and his father's before him....

"the longing you seek is not BEHIND you... It is AHEAD"

Luke being her father, would place him within her past. I mean he would clearly be connected to her past if he is her father.

Yet at the end of the movie, she is connected to the Solos and the Skywalkers through the adventure she takes.

These people aren't her past. At least I dont think so anyway.

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Is there any Reylo Middle Earth fanart? I know they do lots of Pride and Prejudice but ME is just perfect for them.

 

I think that Brobi-Wan specifically addressing Rey by name during the force vision is the best evidence that he's her grandfather. She heard other voices, but they were echoes from the past. In the case of Brobi-Wan, he spoke directly to her. In fact, they needed to go to lengths to get the dialogue of Brobi-Wan speaking to her. If she's Luke's daughter, while Brobi-Wan would have some connection to her, it's not much of a connection. He would be the mentor of her father and grandfather, but that's it. And if she was Anakin's granddaughter, it should have been him speaking to Rey, not Brobi-Wan.

Rey saw bits in the force vision related to Luke, because he's going to be her master, and bits in the vision related to Kybro, because he's going to be her adversary, but the only part of the vision directed at her, specifically was Brobi-Wan calling out to her by name. Why? Because he has the closest connection to her of anyone. Because he's her grandpappy.

 

I also like the idea of Rey Nobody in theory, but in practice, they did set up Rey's origins as a big mystery. Even hinting at it with lines like "Classified? Me too." and throwing around enough hints and red herrings to make it look like she might be related to anyone and everyone in the saga. If her lineage turns out to be nothing special, it would be rather anti-climactic after all the set-up. I don't think she's been set up as an everywoman at all.

And Rey's accent is so different from Daisy's own. There's got to be a reason for that.

But yeah, the name is interesting. The force. I agree, I honestly don't think they'd use a name like that for nothing. Of course he might have nothing to do with Rey, but I think it's very possible that King Prana is Benicio's character.

 

Wait that game was suppose to have cousin against cousin?! I've wondered why is it that it's Leia's kid whose name is Ben, perhaps because in the movies Luke doesn't have any children. Maybe they indeed combined the idea and instead of having a boring enemy cousins story created one where the fight between dark and light happens within one person.

 

Too fast, moves this thread, it does...
My head hurts
So after all said above....Rey Kenobi seems most plausible to me
I was actually worried the most that she is a Solo....but since that is out of the picture the only profoundly satisfying option is a Rey Kenobi....given how much people dislike Anakin (reincarnation theory) and Palpatine midichlorian space baby Jesus would just be a rehash Blah!...
Must be Rey Kenobi

 

I get where you are coming from with the 'posh' accent thing, but to me as a Brit, Daisy's accent isn't really that posh.

However I do find it odd that she kept her accent yet John couldn't.

 

Since it will only be revealed who Rey's father is in episode IX, i'm speculating it won't be Luke. Cause why would he not tell her right there "I knew you'd find me, my daughter"? unless he had no idea he even had a daughter... That would be sooo lame and straight out of a soap opera. Personally, i've always been in favour of Luke staying celibate like all the Jedi knights before him.
Another thing, Rey could have easily said her mother left her on Jakku but no, she clearly said it was her family - meaning mother + father or other family members at least. Either way she knows who her family is and unless Luke didn't tell her he was Luke Skywalker but let's say Ken Benobi I'm pretty sure she'd recognize him as her father.
Also you'd think Rey should know what her last name is. It's really strange she doe not. I mean I know from first hand experience 5 year olds know what their name and surname is. We teach them to know that in case they get lost or something. Probably somethig Rey's parents should have thought of. Clearly would have come in handy.

 

This thread is a bit crazy today. Something in the air? The side-effect of the Rey Solo (by birth, not marriage) debunk, maybe?

I am a bit bummed. Amazon finally provided the release dates for the blu-ray yesterday in Germany and France. April 28th in Germany and April 16th in France. I pre-ordered on amazon.fr. I hope it will actually really be delivered within the announced 2-3 days in my German home and not 2 weeks later, which could happen. Some weeks ago I wanted to ship a packet to France. The lady at the counter told me it would take 3 weeks. WTH! Are you shipping it by sea??? Seeing my shock, the lady said "well, it's another country." Yes, but aren't we supposed to be happy neighbors that no longer have frontiers? Of course, I could have it delivered faster for a very ridiculous amount of money. Honestly when are we going to have a real Europe?

May I say again how happy I am this thread exists and I don't want to post in any other. I once ended up on another thread by mistake and I recoiled very quickly. I also gave up speaking about Star Wars outside of this thread. Honestly most people I know really don't care that much. They either did not see TFA or consumed it and moved on. In addition, I had a bad experience speaking about TFA with someone at the very start of this year. Since then I don't mention it anymore. It was on the first day of work. When I mentioned I liked Kylo Ren, that someone went into sarcastic laughs and said that he was a ridiculous villain being so young and boyish-looking and speaking with a high-pitched voice - I don't know where he got that high-pitched voice but maybe he saw it in German and the German voice was high-pitched (?). I tried to reason that the guy could not be old since he is Han and Leia's son and that villains do not always have to be old and ugly. Making him young and prone to tantrum made him unpredictable and it was a nice change to Vader. I did not even dare to go in the direction of emotional complexity and that most probably he would not be the big villain of the trilogy we were expected to believe. Well, seems like all his friends and even his wife said that he looked ridiculous and basically the only person (->idiot) who likes him is me. Now, based on this, you can tell that this guy and I do not really have a good relationship. But what really stroke me is how a movie and specifically a character can be used to throw hate, scorn, frustration - you name it - at someone else. Movies have somehow become bigger than pure entertainment and are a tool through which we judge others. Maybe because we kind of take ownership of them.

After this, I considered buying the real-size cardboard Kylo Ren and put it in my office. There is one in Amazon. It's a bit shorter than the original, 6'0 instead of 6'3. But I won't. Would be lame. Now when the guy annoys me, I have this film in my head of 6'3 tall unmasked Kylo Ren walking up to the shorter (I am 5'8 and he is shorter than me) and out-of-shape guy and tell him with his Adamy voice "we're not done yet". And I can't help smiling with satisfaction. I know it's not nice because I don't like calling on people's physical appearance, because we are born with it and it does not define who we are, but I am no Jedi so when someone is trying to pick up a fight with me, the Dark Side takes over.

Who knows, maybe the guy is on this thread and recognizes me. Well, now he knows that on top of being a Kylo-fan, I am pro-Reylo (if done well). And he can see that I am definitively not the only "idiot" who likes Kylo Ren and sees great development potential for him (and his future Jedi wife) in the next movies.

Good night, thread.

 

I personally have no qualms whatsoever with Snoke being Plagueis. Because including Plagueis would tie all nine Star Wars movies together nicely, it's one of the only common theories that I would stand behind should it wind up being canon.

I did some theorizing back when Episode VII was first released. My speculation took me in a very Horcruxish direction xD Anyway, It was heavily suggested in Revenge of the Sith that Plagueis manipulated the Force to impregnate Schmi Skywalker. It seems he may have done this to fashion the perfect Dark side apprentice and/or to secure his own immortality. I think it would be safe to assume that Plagueis fabricated the Skywalker line using a piece of himself – a piece that lived within Anakin. When Palpatine killed Plagueis, that piece survived because it was in another host (See? Horcrux lol). Then when Anakin died, that part of Plagueis was released. Enter Snoke.

Snoke's body looks terrible, almost like a possessed, rotting corpse. His features are sunken and stretched, and he even appears to have a gaping hole in his right cheek. The guy really looks like he'll be needing a new body lol. I always thought it was pretty plausible that Snoke seduced Ben Solo, the descendent of his Son, Anakin, in order to somehow possess him.

All this being said, I also wouldn't mind if Snoke turns out to be a completely new character. I'm probably way off the mark. If he doesn't wind up being Plagueis, I definitely still want to see Plagueis reappear in future Star Wars movies. He is the ultimate Father in the Skywalker line, perhaps even a fitting villain to take the place of the family's final adversary.