ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Kira also means "ruler" in several languages...

Edit: Aaaaaaand it was the surname of the kings of Onderon in the EU. Yowza!

 

Really? I didn't know that, although I haven't really seen her appear as herself in anything so that might be why. I need to go have a listen.

 

ITA The Kenobi narrative hints are the most subtle! They Skywalker et al. call backs are mostly visual.

Crimson Corsair Obi Wan was also a good pilot, so this call back cancels out for our potential Dads

 

DP SORRY

 

This is why i think the whole chosen one thing is a load of rubbish from Qui-Gon. Chosen Two more likely, I remember talking about this whole idea of a living and cosmic force, Ren could be the living force that was conceived and born like any other person, while Rey is more of an immaculate conception or such (Cosmic Force) I did have something else to add but can't remember for the life of me what it was. Now i'm not totally religious, i'm an agnostic but the awakening in Rey could be similar to how Jesus didn't realise he was the messiah until he was in his teens.

 

Yeah. I agree. I think the resistance will need aid now that the republic fleet is gone. My guess is Leia goes to him asking for his support against the FO. She will have to convince him to fight because he believe the FO's problem is with the resistance. She tells him once Snoke is done with them he will come for King Prana. Heres the cool thing: Prana is king of Naboo. I imagine once the empire fell the Hutts made their move to take Naboo[given the close proximity between tatooine and Naboo]. He rose to power and defended Naboo and took the fight to Tatooine itself, overthrowing the Hutts and taking their position as the big crime boss.

 

Hello everyone! I'm a new member here but I have been lurking in this Reylo discussion for quite some time and now, I decided to join in even if I may not have much experience or knowledge on some aspects, also English is not my native language but I would like to contribute as much as possible.

First of all, I was introduced to Reylo through tumblr, saw some fan art there and here, at first it's intriguing so I go and watch the movies and I immediately understand why some saying that there are this chemical between Kylo and Rey. Their interaction reminds me of The Phantom of the Opera and Hades and Persephone like many points out before. It's like the entwined of Darkness and Light

I'm will not talk about Rey parentage for now since I'm on board with Rey Kenobi theory but I do believe many have already said that Reylo shares similarities with Revan and Bastila which I completely agree but on a lesser known that Reylo also share similarities with another couple, also from the Old Republic story. Maybe some one already said this but after some digging, I realized that Rey have some common with a female character named Jareal who owns a shockstaff, also very touch opponent, she can fending off bounty hunters, Jedi Master alike. And for a while she settled on Taris in the Lower City, living as a garbage hauler which parallel to Rey living as a scavenger on Jakku with a staff as her weapon of choice. She also have an interesting past as well as life. Not to mention at first Jareal and her love hates each other to the bone so it's not impossible for Kylo and Rey to develop feelings for one another later on

" Upon the first encounter of Zayne and Jarael, the tensions between the two were extremely hostile—with Jarael attacking him and numbing his arm with her shock staff in the Undercity of Taris. The pair couldn't barely be in the same room without one insulting the other with Zayne addressing Jarael as "Darth Sunshine". Zayne found Jarael to be difficult to be around with her short-temper and she blamed him for Lhosan Industries moving off Taris resulting in hundreds of jobs lost in response to the Padawan Massacre of Taris on top of her already bitter attitude."
From Jareal - Wookieepedia
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jarael

In fact I would said, at least Reylo already have some undeniable chemistry between Ren and Rey compare to Jeral and Zayne

As for her lover Zayne Carrick, he's an interesting character, former Jedi padawan turn fugitive for he was accused of killing four fellow padawans and it caught my attention, what if Kylo is in the same situation, being accused for a crime he did not committed? Maybe it was Snoke behind the massacre but Snoke with all his powers upon Kylo cause him and others to believe he's the killer of the Jedi Academy
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zayne_Carrick

I know this is a stretch but last night I was watching Brain Game and they talk about intuition, and that many people can easily come up with wrong accusations. Giving a situation where we have two suspects for a car thief, both coming out from a same store, one eating and drinking then throwing the trash to the car before getting in, as he saw the police he drive the car with extra careful while the second man look more dangerous and meaner, he also eating but throw the trash away before getting into the car, upon seeing the police, the second man immediately speeding away as soon as possible. Many may assume he's the guilty one but it's the first one to be the thief because to an experienced police, no one would ever throw trash to their own sunny car and the way he being a good citizen just throw more red flag. You can find the show on Netflix if you want.

So this raise a question in my head, are we being tricked by our brain and intuition here? The fact that we heard Han talking about the incident as well as seeing Kylo with his Knights, all armed and surrounding by all the bodies should give us the conclusion that Kylo Ren murdered others students but what if...what if by the time he arrived they're already dead and he' taking the blame. I mean, all the students must be Force Sensitives and they're young, easy to trains and influence so it would be better for Kylo to convince them, the students to join the Dark Side and create a powerful Knight of Ren which can benefit the First Order as the Knights with many Force Users can easily conquer and defeat more enemies, create fear throughout the galaxies. Also by making the other students falls to the Dark Side, it would hurt Luke more, seeing this as a sinister betrayal, the nephew take over the role of a teacher from his own uncle and turn the young padawans to a darker path. But by saying Kylo Ren as the killer, it's for me a way for Snoke to make sure Kylo did not have a easy way to turn back to the Light Side, like how can he turn back from Snoke if there's no one willing to accept him for the crime he did ? So the only way, in Kylo point of view are limited, he must stay under Snoke's command because so far Snoke is the only one saying that it's okay, that it would give him strength and stuff. Maybe that why Kylo still feel the pull from the Light, he's yearning to come home but all his hand are tied, he maybe struggling to break free. And the meeting with Rey is his hope, hope that she can help him break the chains.

I know I missing a lot and did not have many experiences so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and one again Thank you.

Sylvia Snow

 

How did you find out he's the king of Naboo?? I can't find his planet online. I just remember seeing the current senator of Naboo in the dictionary.

 

That would be very interesting! I wonder how people will receive that though...people didn't feel the anakin chosen one story. But I do think if told well, it would be really good. I think the tricky part is explaining where the force comes into all this. If they can explain how the force works well, they can do a lot.

 

Actually, I know people who weren't sure if Kylo was going to make it. Of course, this person didn't recognize the name "Kylo Ren" either, and I had to explain that "Kylo Ren" was "the guy who was Han's son who killed Han Solo at the end ... who had the fight with the girl after that." I further told her that they were not going to get rid of him because the guy who played him was an up-and-coming actor who had some very prestigious movies lined up and that basically he was one of the big "gets" of the casting. She then said to me, "But he is kind of funny looking." I then told her that he has a great character actor's face and that she should give him a chance because he's really an excellent actor.

At that same gathering I was told that Kylo Ren was a "whiny b****" who "killed his father in cold blood for no reason." I had to explain that he seemed pretty upset about it (you know, the tears and angst), and that he didn't really want to do it, but that he had reasons, warped darkside reasons, but still reasons for doing it.

Also, these are all folks who see a lot of movies. I would not describe any of them as particularly bright, but not dim either, just average people. Nor I would not describe any of them as people who watch movies with a critical eye in the least, but they do buy a lot of movie tickets, and there are a ton of people like that out there.

I remember FrolickingFizzgig asking the question once that did people really need a big dumb Vader, "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" Yeah, sadly, a lot do.

But actually, I think that the filmmakers anticipated this kind of reaction from a lot of people in the audience. I think they left it unclear whether Kylo Ren was saved so people would talk about it. Also, when Kylo Ren actually has some compelling backstory or does something really good in Episode VIII or Episode IX, it is going to be a huge surprise to that portion of the audience. TFA is not a perfect movie, but Disney and Co. know their marketing. They know that people see this movie at all different levels, and they layer it enough so people at all levels can enjoy it.

Also, the movie moves very fast. I think they did this on purpose so people would just be left a little unsure and with certain first impressions unless they saw it repeatedly. I think the filmmakers are banking on defying those initial impressions in Episode VIII.

Reynak

"When I saw the movie I never thought for a moment that he would die, becasue in this kind of movies if you don't see a character die on screen this usually means he's still alive. I had the idea that he was rescued by his FO allies.
But it would have been tragic for Leia if her husband and her son killed each other on that base, which nearly happened. I also got the impression that Han didn't go ot of his way to find his son, he just saw him and approached him, but finding him in such a big place could have been impossible even if he made his best to find him.

How did Kylo manage to find Ray and Finn? Because he know they'd go back to the Falcon or because he is Force sensitive? Perhpas both. But Han wasn't FS, so he could have killed his own son on that base and never see him one more time."

Exactly. It was "if you see our son," not "find our son" or "save our son." When Han and Leia were hugging, they basically knew that if they succeeded in the mission, they would be killing Kylo/Ben.

 

Welcome to the thread!

Zayne and Jarael, I've never heard of them, but I'll look into it. I think TFA has many elements from the EU.
Thanks for the contribution, I hope to read more from you.

 

So, Obi One's girlfriend/wife was royal or something like that?

 

And... the King Prana relation to Rey gains one more support. I'm actually thinking there's something there.

 

Welcome young Skywalker

 

Welcome!
Great first post I also saw on tumblr that Ren and Rey share similarities with Zayne and Jarael, apparantly Rey's production name was Snow which I'm told was Jarael's nickname for a while. I love how many parallels we can draw with these two

 

People probably ant to strap some tape over my mouth to shut me up about Rey Kenobi but I haven't given a full explanation as to why I think she's a Kenobi.

1. Her solitude on a dusty sandy planet.
Daisy Ridley said: How Rey starts off, her being solitary is a big clue as to who she is. A character most known for his solitary personality and living choices is Obi Wan Kenobi from ANH. He is introduced to us as Ben Kenobi (make note of that name)..Ben is not Obi Wan's real name, he gave himself a new name whilst living in solitude. Rey could have given herself a fake name because she does not know her real name, I also heard that on the helmet she has it says the word "reigh" She could have chosen that name and turned it into Rey. The other two members of the trio do not use their real names either. Finn does not know his, Kylo adopted a new one. The only thing similar to Luke about how she starts is that she is on a sand planet. she is completely different to him in the fact that she lives completely alone in solitude and does not use her real name. Both Anakin and Luke did not start that way in the stories.

People think she could be hidden there and is in solitary to protect her because she is Lukes, but then that can just as easily be said if she is a force sensitive Kenobi, she would need to be hidden too, I mean, Kylo is running around murdering force sensitive children. There are targets on their heads.

Personally I think Daisy is just talking about Rey's personality being solitary because Rey could have easily decided to live with other scavengers, but she doesnt, she wants to live by herself, on her own. That is what she means by her being solitary, it's not about her being hidden for her safety.

Ben Kenobi also chose the solitary life.

She is introduced with her face hidden, not only does this tie in with the other 2 members of the Trio, but it also ties in with how Obi Wan is introduced to an audience, his face is hidden.

2. Her lack of a Family and family history.

Rey is absolutely alone with no family, nothing is known about them, she is shrouded in mystery. Obi Wan/Ben Kenobi is also one of the only character's who's family appears to be non existent and pretty much nothing is known about them, he is a mystery. He does not appear to have any descendants at all when we meet him in ANH "the last of his line"

3. Obi Wan Kenobi's childhood and growing up.

In the official book about Phantom Menace, Obi Wan grew up dreaming of being a pilot and he enjoyed fixing machines in his spare time, until he realised he was force sensitive and was then taken away from his family to train, he cant remember the early days with his family.

Rey cant remember her family and is shown to be an aspiring pilot and is good at fixing machines, She puts a helmet on her head and knows a lot about machines. I only remember Luke being interested in machines not flying when we first meet him.

4. Her accent

Sometimes the most obvious clue is just sitting right under your nose.

I do not for one second believe that her English accent means nothing and is just a coincidence.

John Boyega is English, he was told to not use his accent because it does not fit with his character. Daisy on the other hand was told to keep her accent and she was told to actually make it sound a bit posher. Why? Because accent is something inherited from your surroundings and where you grow up, her family must have had posh English accents..again this points to her having nothing to do with Luke and everything to do with characters who have English accents.

The accent in a film is just as defining of character as any other attribute, like a scar where did they get that scar?, the character is smoking, why does this character smoke? The character has an English accent, why does she have this accent?

This is why Batman is played by an English actor but is told to do an American accent because Batman's family is American. Someone gives a southern accent in a movie, you know where they came from, the south of America. Someone has an Australian accent in a movie, they come from Australia.

Rey has an English accent in this movie? She has come from somewhere where they speak with an English accent. Not American.

I left the cinema thinking "who is she, she must be related to someone" and I thought of her accent and drew a conclusion immediately that the only characters who are most famously known for their English accents in this Franchise is Kenobi or C3PO, she is not the descendent of a robot.

The bad guys are also tied in with this accent so I'm not ruling out Dark Rey Origins theory. I think that theory is very compelling as well and I wouldn't mind seeing that happen.

5. Her clothes

Rey has a long cloak-like robe, it's like a watered down version of Obi Wan's robes and boots from The Phantom Menace.

6. Saving a droid in trouble

She hears a commotion which disrupts her solitude and goes and saves BB8. Ben Kenobi hears a commotion which disrupts his solitude and saves Luke and the droids.


7. The sense that people know her but then have no clue who she is.

Han solo feels like he knows her, Leia feels like she knows her, Luke feels like he knows her but they all do not recognise her facial features to be of someone they have met before in the past. If they can sense this in her then it could indicate Kenobi they are sensing. I also think Han and Leia feel like she is a Daughter in Law, like they can sense that their son would love her. Also if Han loves her, Leia loves her instantly, t's only natural that their son would love her instantly.

(I'm going to get to Kylo's connection later)

8. The lack of Obi Wan Kenobi.


We hear about/ see all the important human main characters in this story, all bar one. Obi Wan Kenobi had a huge part to play in both trilogies, he is closely tied with both Luke and Anakin Skywalker, yet......

People argue that every trilogy has to have Skywalker, well every trilogy also has to have a Kenobi. A Skywalker is there in the form of Kylo, A Kenobi is absent. It seems like he has just completely been forgotten. Unless his descendent is hidden there right under our noses the entire time.


9. His arrival.

Well over half way into the movie, lots of characters from the old franchise have made an appearance be it through telling tales or just seeing them in the flesh. Still nothing about Obi. he appears to be gone, forever.

Then he appears.

He doesn't just make any old entrance through word of mouth or a passing phrase. No, the filmmakers chose to save his entrance for the most important moment of Rey's life. The Forceback.

10. He is calling to her through the lightsaber.

Rey is called to a chest containing a lightsaber (One that is very similar to the one Obi Wan kept it in), she opens it, touches it and is shown a bunch of visions from the past/future, she has people talking from the past, she is shown what she must do. Once it has all been shown to her, the person showing her these visions is revealed: Obi wan tells her: "Rey, these are your first steps" he is the only person speaking to her in the present and it's right at the end of the vision, when she's getting scared, he shouts out to her, we get a sense that he is not quite part of the sequence of visions because his voice can still be heard when she has left the force vision.

This leads me to believe that it is him calling to her and is contacting her directly through that lightsaber. If this moment was about showing her that she is a Skywalker and that she must take up her families legacy, why then is not a single Skywalker showing her this vision? Why is it Obi Wan? The choice of words Obi Wan uses are like something a parent would say to their child. Take your first steps.

More importantly they are drawing attention to Obi Wan when he was older as well as when he was younger. Old Obi Wan says "Rey" then young Obi Wan says "these are your first steps" A reminder that he had an important part to play in the prequels and original trilogy.

11. The real reason she is called to the chest and lightsaber.

People are so blinded by the fact that it's Anakin's lightsaber, that they are missing something else. I understand why though, it's a deliberate misdirection on the filmmaker's behalf. You only understand the significance of Obi Wan talking to her through that lightsaber once you have seen the ending of the film when she passes it to Luke, the rightful owner.

Obi wan held on to that lightsaber for longer that Anakin and Luke combined, he then gave Luke his father's lightsaber in order to prompt Luke to take on the quest. At the end, Rey is giving Luke his father's lightsaber to prompt him BACK to the quest. This is why it must be Rey who goes to him, because a Kenobi is the messenger.

Maz flat out tells her who owned that lightsaber, sounds surprised that it called to Rey, tells Rey that she will never see her family again (because they literally are all gone, she is the last), she practically tells her that she needs to bring Luke Back and that she will need the force, she then tells her to take the lightsaber (which she gives directly to Luke) that is why she is called to that lightsaber.

12. Kylo Ren's attraction and fascination.

I believe these two have a force bond, but I also believe that this bond could be there for another reason. He feels drawn to her because she is a Kenobi and Obi Wan was close to Anakin as well as Luke Skywalker. This time it is a Male Skywalker descendent and a Female Kenobi, so attraction could build and love between them could also easily develop.

13. The mind trick.

This one trick stands out a lot in this movie like a bit of a sore thumb, we dont see anyone else using it, yet it comes as naturally to her as it did to Obi Wan Kenobi in both the prequels and original trilogy. The mind trick is closely tied to Obi Wan, and when you hear her do that with her confident British accent, I was immediately reminded of Obi wan.

14. Sneaking around Star Killer Base

Very much like Obi Wan snuck around the death star, hanging onto sides, messing with equipment

15. Ben Solo

That's not a coincidence. It would show even more how Rey and Kylo are intertwined, his real name is Ben, just like Ben Kenobi.

16. She is nimble on her feet

When she jumps out of Ren's grasp and rolls away from him, like a slippery mouse, I am reminded of a young Obi Wan, he was very nimble and I remember him rolling around a lot in the prequels.

17. Her clothes at the end.

All grey with unique patterns on the shoulders and unique sleeves which cover parts of her hands, it looks like this concept art of a young Obi Wan Kenobi. If she is a Kenobi, this is a very secretive and subtle way to show she is:



Rey is dressed very similarly, exact same pattern on the shoulders, exact same sleeves, she has grey trousers too.

18. The ending and it's emotional symbolism, getting luke back to the quest

Already sort of touched on this but, her giving him that lightsaber, is very epic and I can see when filmmakers are trying to make a point with what you are seeing and hearing. It's one giant callback to when Obi wan first met Luke and gave him that lightsaber, that, to me is the filmmakers giving you a huge clue as to who she is before the movie ends. It would explain why Daisy thinks that by the end you should know who she is and when I re-watched that scene. I knew who she must be. I just felt like it was spelling it out to us without words.



19. Reversal of the mentor.

Luke is dressed exactly like Obi wan was when he first met him, the hood and everything, he has a beard just like Obi Wan. Obi Wan was Luke's mentor. He is now to be her mentor, but this time a Skywalker will mentor a young Kenobi.


20. Why would it work?

The theme: Obi wan failed to stop Anakin from falling to the dark side, this time his granddaughter can save Anakin's Grandson from the same fate.

Products of their grandfathers, not grandfather.

It would not be that hard to explain that she is a Kenobi. Luke would only have to tell her.

EDIT - reason 21

Daisy Ridley almost **** her pants when she thought she gave the secret away on Japanese television LOL..her face dropped and she started breathing quickly when someone started talking about who her character might be after she had just spoken about the solitary Rey being a big clue.

 

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Thank you a lot, I would love to discuss more about Reylo as well as Star Wars, since after the movie, Reylo basically a part in my life now, and I'm not joking when I said I spend more time to read about the Old Republic and a lot more characters.

 

Oh no. That is just my idea. Because I really like Naboo and would like to see it again

 

yes, that's true. I've seen quite a few celebrities at the festival because when I was younger and didn't have to work I used to hang there with my friends Actors usually look smaller and a lot thinner.
Anyway, I didn't know Adam beforehand. He's tall, indeed, although not as big as he looks on screen.
He looked good in his suit, well groomed. The hair were longish and lovely. As a matter of fact, he had come directly from London where he was filming TFA so he had Kylo's hair.
I knew nothing about his involvement in TFA until that very day and, since I was a huge fan of the OT but didn't like the PT, I didn't know what to think about it.
IMO the description of him being unconventionally handsome fits well.
He looked a normal guy, not your typical Hollywood star with a megawatt smile. But he smiled a lot, more than in most of the interviews I watched on youtube. He looked shy and extremely nice. A bit disorientated, maybe.
However, his co-star and director (Rohrwacher and Costanzo, who happen to be partners in real life) were very protective and fond of him. The atmosphere was quite laid down because it was a small indipendent film so, thank goodness, there was none of the craziness of Brangelina, Clooney or whatever big star comes to your mind.
So, I thought he was cute but also that maybe it was just me, because I like tall guys and I'm not much attracted by pretty faces.
I indeed felt like I was fancing the geek guy at school... LOL
Anyway, I kind of forgot it all... and the funny thing is that when I watched “Frances Ha”, a few months later, I didn't recognize him at first.
Then I've started to watch Girls and got him on my radar

 

Welcome aboard. This theme has been in this thread 100 pages ago. And yes, we agree with you. There was also a theory that Kylo was the guardian of the Jedi temple and that he blames himself for that tragedy.

 

Thank you, and yes I did leaned about Jareal and Zayne on tumblr as well as I just want more people to know since maybe someone can pick up something that most of people will miss. Also just like what I already mentioned above about intuition and brain, I some what believe that Kylo may be...just maybe not the killer.....

 

What date is the release of the DVD in Ireland? I've searched and can't find the answer and that worries me that I'll have to wait longer ugh

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Yes, thank you . I like the fast growing of this threat even though it's mean I have to catch up with it but it also mean that there are somethings about Reylo that caught many attention. And that they do care for Reylo

 

Yes Duchess Satine

 

Geminiwankenobi
I like the points you wrote on how it would work symbolically, but I still think the evidence is flimsy.

I mean, we don't think Poe is Leia's son just because he sends a droid with important information, he's captured by a dark sider and rescued by someone in a stormtrooper uniform... (True that we know Poe is a Dameron)

I don't know, there are too many call backs to ANH in TFA for everything to be interpreted as a parentage clue.

On the other hand, symbolically, it would be interesting. It could work. I just don't think the clues are there yet, and I wonder about the amount of backstory or exposition necessary to make that work. I find it a little convoluted. But hey, perhaps they'll find a good explanation.