ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

thescavenger

suffering with consequences doesn't mean he has to look less like a person, i think it'd be quite the opposite actually. it's interesting, i want him more unhinged because... but i don't think that's helpful for maintaining contact with the audience.

actually i think that's what you're saying anyway. sorry

Reynak

personally, i would love it if they went more grey. i think some of this was blown when finn so readily shot his old team mates. but it's maintained in reylo, i think.

i don't try to make the world into a black and white thing, it's not my thing either, - i think the films will be most interesting if they are blurring the lines and establishing what 'grey' actually means.i'm very thrilled about finding out about that.

personally i think that most actors don't judge their characters against some normative legal background. it'd be their death, so that's also how i understand driver dicussing kylo ren. he thinks he's doing right. that could well be because he's operating under false assumptions. that is my personal pet theory.

 

Brobi-Wan

If the force bond is real how do you see them love someone else? I can just imagine Ren making love with a random woman having Rey in his thoughts..that would suck for all....if FB is happening then they will allways be inside their heads....metaphorically and actually....

 

Oh, I definitely think that Ben Brolo and Rey Kenobi will end up together, I'm just playing dark side's advocate for a moment here.

 

Yes, she is canon though I'm not even sure they became a couple....in the Weapon of a Jedi novel, C3PO is telling the story to Jessika Pava and in the end of the story he says Luke promised to set up the new Jedi order at the temple on her planet and how Farnay grew up to be a capable woman.....but then he says something similar to Maz....like this is a story for another time...... leaving the reader wondering what happened between them (if anything happened at all).....

 

Not necessary, because for me, looking at the poster this way, it look like the Rebels are trying to rescue BB8, Poe, R2D2, Maz and X-Wings while Kylo (maybe Rey, too) trying to get the StarKiller Base. Or maybe it just some random placement, i mean we're having a war here so it can depicted the chased between two side. You can see on the Rebellion, the Millennium Falcon are being chased by First Order while the opposite happen on the other side, The Rebels attacked the FO.

 

I certainly agree with that - or would, if we were talking "just" about a love story. But I think there's potential in Reylo for something truly extraordinary of epic proportions. It would be such a disappointment to me if that were thrown aside in favour of a far more ordinary tale... something we've all seen a million times before.

If it weren't for that, I would totally like to see Kelly Marie Tran as Ren's love interest. In fact, if Rey and Ren didn't already have their powerful dynamic going on, I'd probably prefer that. I'm a sucker for love stories where one or both parties aren't "Hollywood beautiful", but charming in a special way, which tends to feel more real to me because it's about chemistry, not about pairing actors who tick the right boxes in terms of "attractiveness level". This is why the casting of Kelly Marie Tran was exciting news to me. I was actually dismayed when I saw people greeting the news with opinions like "she doesn't look like a love interest, she probably has a tiny role as comic relief or an alien".

But, yeah. If I had to choose between "Ren finding someone else and being happy" or "Ren dying unredeemed or sacrificing himself", I'd choose the former, definitely. I'm invested in his redemption first and foremost.

 

also Arcanah

i so SO want ben to be a father to children, it's so weird but i think he would make a really good father. i think he would be really good at looking after them [/controversial]

 

We all hope for Reylo but seriously, I can't help but laugh at the image of Ren stuck with some Sidth Lady and Rey happened to be around and "rescue" Kylo

 

Dunno...maybe he deserves to live an empty life....after all he did kill Han....but that would just be too cruel

Guess I'm a romantic if I think that they are made for eachother lol

 

spacebaby45678

ohhhhhh i'm liking that idea so much! i think there is some major entanglement wrt luke.

 

Guess that's the thing with epicnesses....they must be epic or bust

 

But you're right! He's suffering and that takes a toll on his outward appearance, but all the same more human. I don't think he looks less human actually, he's chosen to keep his mask off, as per the art, and that's something. Very torn apart indeed.

I want him more unhinged too, but in the way that is more dangerous to Snoke than the rest of the characters. Imagine him, one day just snapping in front of Snoke. I'd lead an ovation in the cinema.

Thanks for the insight, Bro! I always wanted to start the series, but never got the chance to.

 

Arcanah

i dunno i keep thinking that a scenario where he is off with another woman and she is with another guy, is just ... flat. i mean, i'm kinda heavily influenced with interstellar transmission at the moment, which wasn't ALL consistent with how i feel, but it's a major thing that she's there, i think he needs help leaving snoke. i don't think he can just walk off by himself. it may work ... but i can't see it being a good dramatic choice.

but then, having them bond but not together would just be immensely half-arsed.

and he needs to grow up and be a father. i insist.

thescavenger

i think he's already kinda loaded with unhinged-ness and people are already throwing all sorts of diagnoses his way. i would cheer too if he was able to stand up to snoke but it would depend on how dangerous snoke is... or how dangerous he makes himself look.

 

KMT is 5ft 2in. Even Daisy - who's about 5ft 7in - looks petite next to Adam. Someone 13 inches shorter than him might just look comical.

She's a better height to be alongside Carrie, Mark, John, or Oscar.

 

That's why I never really see them living happily ever after like Prince and his Princess....IMO Ren would have to work really hard to atone for the sith he did...I just happen to hope that he would not have to be alone while doing that.....he redeming himself and breaking off from the darkness (or balancing that with his light, not hers) will be a feat and it would be nice if he had THE woman next to him....not a second best....unless they don't share a FB, then he really is only obsessed with her and could break out of it to find someone else to love....I guess...but then their connection would not be epic

 

I dunno people are worried about how and what way Kylo Ren will be redeemed. Look at Beauty and the Beast, the fairy tale that FrolickingFizzgig used as comparison to Kylo and Rey.
In the story, Beast takes Belles father and locks him away in a cold cell basically on the verge of death as Belle said in the movie version of the story.
When her father is released he spends half the film trying to convince the town folk that Belle is a prisoner to a horrible monstrous Beast and no one will help him.
By the end of the film, all is forgiven!
Belles father is even within the castle celebrating Beast and Belle together, the same Beast that put him in a cell to die.
Beauty and the Beast is one of the most loved films / stories of all time. It was the first animated film to be nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards. Whatever plot they have for Kylo and Rey, I'm sure all the bad stuff will be forgotten about.

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Nah your making up stuff now. Besides I prefer the portrait picture its more honest.

 

Oh, I don't know. I thought height differences were A Thing That said, I don't want this to happen because the Reylo dynamic has captured my heart and imagination completely. But if it weren't for that, I might like it...

All the actresses rumoured for this role were around the same height, by the way, so they seem to have been looking for an actress in the 5'2"-5'4" range. I think you're right that she's going to be part of the Resistance group.

 

Mostly just a general fear of forums, the anonymity makes it easy for people to just hurl hatred at others But everyone here is nice so I don't need to worry about it anymore. This is actually the only forum I've ever been on
Besides, I think the time tunnel thing has already happened

 

I just had another thought:

I've read that the reason Anakin was able to come back as a force ghost was because Brobi-Wan and Broda guided his spirit. Well, what if the combined power of Anakin, Brobi-Wan, and Broda were able to do that for Han. I know Han isn't FS, but we're talking about the combined power of the 2 most powerful Jedi ever (and Anakin ) It could be done.

Imagine Han's ghost tormenting Kybro, trying to being him back to the light. Harrison Ford is signed on for 8, btw...

I imagine a scene at the end of 9, celebrating the victory over the FO. Ben Brolo and Rey are there with their child, as is Uncle Luke and Grammy Leia. Ben, Rey, Luke, and Leia all look in the same direction and we see Broda, Anakin, and Brobi-Wan, then Han shows up with them. Roll credits.

 

In all fairness I wasn't comparing Rey and Ren to "Beauty and the Beast" (the Disney film), but rather the character archetypes, the trope. They aren't the same thing. The name just happens to be the same. I don't know how the writers are going to pull this off, but I think that's the fun of it. The fact that so many don't see this working/being impossible just proves that it's a story worth telling, because the canonical evidence is still all pointing in that direction. If the writers do it well, it'll be absolutely phenomenal, something new. Some people aren't "comfortable" with the idea because it isn't "safe", it's the opposite of safe.

 

I don't think that there is anything wrong with that comparison, but for me his redemption is still not a sure thing...if it happens then it deffinetly can't happen just because we all want it and it's all hearts and flowers after he kills Snoke...his descent to darkness was long painful and ruthless in so many ways....his redemption must mirror that back..otherwise it would be unbielivable....and if he is the imbodiment of both light and dark side of the force, than he will have to remake that choice every day of his life to not to fall to darkness again...no flowers on that road...but one...a good woman to live through that with him....

 

FrolickingFizzgig Arcanah I dunno, lol some how I feel they'll pull it off, they're very excited for both characters, but who knows, I'd like to believe they'll give something epic to the public

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darth_frared Yeah, but at the same time, if he's still on the road to redemption, I don't think he'll turn too quickly in the trilogy, meaning that he probably would stay with Snoke a while longer - in this case they wouldn't have the character static for too long, he either becomes more unhinged or more disillusioned by the darkside. Either way, Kylo has to overcome himself and then his greatest enemy would be Snoke (also another point for redemption arc: TFA cannot let Snoke "win" by turning the sole heir of Han/Leia dark and then have him die still a brainwashed villain. At least Palpatine got what was coming by watching his protégé turn on him, dying knowing he failed ultimately.)

I am still undecided, if the redemption is to happen, on whether I'd like Kylo to redeem himself (as Claudia Gray has said) or have someone being the deciding factor ie. Leia, Rey or Luke. I don't see him coming to his senses out of the blue, but to have someone motivate him out of the dark side isn't as compelling for his character either. It has to be something so selfless, but has to come from the inside as well. Damn, I'm at a roadblock.

 

Brobi-Wan

Would you mind answering what I asked you, I am really interested in a man's opinion on the matter, thanks