ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

The Skywalkers are like the GFFA version of Charlie Brown, eternally believing Lucy/Palp/Snoke won't swipe away the football!

 

I don't know. I think it's possible that the First Order is supposed to be looking back to the first Je'daii Order of very ancient times, and that Snoke is pretending to be about balance like the Je'daii originally were. I doubt his real agenda is at all good, but he might be using that kind of rhetoric to convince his followers.

 

I'm never going to catch up with the thread at this rate. Anyways, I don't have the artbook handy (traveling) but here's some snapshots I took before. From memory, the artbook opens with art of set pieces (tie fighter crash, Rey/Finn running & Millenium Falcon). The first name introductions of Rey & Ren is after Finn (+ToC) & Han/Chewbacca (link). There was a page of writing that I can't remember before Ren & Rey are introduced, on the same sheet of paper (front, back).


Post index and the final words from the production, we get the last sheet of printed page (front, back):

The art pieces here are primarily black & white with lots of white spaces. I think it was an artistic choice. Rey/Kira has many different looks in the book. You could tear your hair out trying to find clues to different EU/cannon characters.

 

Imperial Crest was a modified version of the Galactic Roundel of the Republic and then the FO crest is a more visibly modified spoke pattern of the Imperial crest

 

Luckily Luke listened to the wisdom of old Brobi-Wan. It was dicey for a moment there, but he pulled through.

 

It is tricky at the moment to predict what might be the breaking point for Kylo. Killing Han and being weakened and then being defeated by Rey should give him pause for thought. But they might only serve to make him try harder to extinguish his pull to the light.

I have been wondering (as I think has been speculated about before) if the "completion of Kylo's training," by Snoke might be the point when he is deemed worthy of being the vessel for Snoke's essence (that sounds a bit rude!) I mean if Snoke needs a new body (because his old one looks like it's seen better days!) but he can't completely extinguish the host altogether (kind of like how the Goa'uld or Tok'ra used to take over host bodies in Stargate SG1) but he at least wants to eradicate the Ben Solo part of Kylo before he takes control. Maybe that would be the point when Kylo realises he needs to get the heck out of there. It might be too late for him at that point, though.

 

I know. But I think the FO's "sun" in the middle looks more like the Je'daii version than the imperial one.

 

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i don't think snoke is a literal body snatcher, though. he's scary enough in just possessing his mind.

 

Yeah, I guess so. I did a quick search and couldn't find anything about them breaking their force bond. It should work the same for Dooku and Yoda, though. Wookiepedia says this:
"A bond between two living beings is not something easily broken. It not a choice… it is like breaking a feeling. Like turning away from the Force. To break a bond, your feelings would have to change, or one of you would have to die—but even then, the bond wouldn't go away, it would simply… it would simply be empty, a wound."―Master Zez-Kai Ell
I am not positive what "feelings would have to change" exactly means, but yeah.

Arcanah The force bonds are often just between apprentice and master and doesn't always have to be romantic/sexual/chemistry related, though it can be.

 

Yes, that's true!

We don't know enough about Snoke or what he's really up to. I just want Kylo/Ben to get his ass out of there ASAP!

 

I would say the imperial crest is closer it just has a little extra at the circumference

 

All this talk of feelings just brings to mind: "Don't be afraid. I feel it too."

 

It's odd that Brooku going to the Sith wouldn't cause this change of feelings between them. Their force bond was put to use in the final story arc of The Clone Wars.

 

The je dai symbole is nearly identical to the empire's logo. Dunno if anyone pointed that out yet.

 

I guess the EU isn't always super consistent, is it? I don't know that much, but I get the impression that it is kind of a mess. I think death is probably the only sure way break a force bond. The feelings changing thing makes less sense, especially with Dooku and Yoda.

 

Yes I would agree with that, except the chemistry between Rey and Ren that we all picked up...maybe we are all wrong then to see that, and Ren really only wants to be her teacher? I mean, that is what he said...he didn´t say will you be mine, hahaha...
Oh I´m going round in circles, will there be Reylo, won´t there be Reylo, will there be Reylo It´s really tricky

 

The Clone Wars has the brostinction of being cannon, though. It's not EU/legends.

 

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My take? Core beliefs. Some (many?) people think there are some sins to which redemption doesn't apply (or there are some SW characters whose murder is unforgivable). And then from that core belief everything else about the story is seen with those filters. And so interpretations such as Kylo wasn't adversely affected by his killing Han (even if it says so in the book and script), or that Poe and Rey's interrogations were not fundamentally different, or that Kylo giving Rey a chance to live was as per Snoke's instruction.

 

If you say so. The spokes on the middle "sun" of Je'daii and the First Order are both straight. To me, the First Order logo looks more like a combination of the Je'daii "sun" and the hexagon shape of Vitiate's Sith Empire crest.

But there's no point in arguing about this. After all, it isn't even about Reylo I'm just curious because I believe the First Order harkens back to ancient history in some way.

 

They all look similar, which is curious. Although it could just mean that the art department in charge of broducing these logos lacks imagination. Or people in the gffa love them some geometry.

 

I think its quite obvious that Maisie was 100% in the running for Rey. She looks more like 'Rey' than Daisy does. In the end I am glad they went for Daisy in the end.

 

Hmm I feel like this might be a touchy topic. You're referring to Religion, right? I'm not getting too deep into this, but I'm just going to say that Star Wars is not catering to the archaic, Biblical notion of redemption. There is no law—Biblical or political—that is preventing Kylo Ren from atoning and being forgiven in the Star Wars universe. The Force is all-loving, all-powerful and all-inclusive.

There is a group who generally just dislikes Kylo Ren as a character, thinks he is weak and wants to see him become Darth Vader 2.0. even though nothing about his characterization is pointing in that direction. He isn't the villain they want. Perhaps Star Wars will feature a villain like that someday (although to be honest they kind of already did with Anakin in the Prequel Trilogy).

 

I feel like each crest is just a modified version of the last from takeovers and regime changes until you hit the New Republic. They used the Alliance Starbird in their crest.

 

Arcanah I thought about that, but I am still thinking there was romantic/sexual chemistry between them. But yeah, I keep switching between thinking it will be a thing and then maybe not.
Brobi-Wan Oh yeah, I meant the EU isn't always consistent with the canon or itself. I actually really need to watch The Clone Wars. I started it but never finished.

RobbyV That is so true about the differences between people's core beliefs being important when it comes to the Kylo Ren redemption debate. It makes the debate that much messier. It is essentially a debate about whether or not anyone can ever really be redeemed, imo.