ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

lol this would make me cry. I want a Knights of Ren movie. Give me something new!

 

It is not hard to explain, Maz could be the result of some mix of Yoda and another Alien and if that is raised in the film then people will just accept it. I have a feeling you may find it shocking because you cant accept that the main girl is related to a secondary character like Obi Wan? Am I right? it would not be hard to explain at all. I for one left the cinema not being emotionally invested in her being a Skywalker and so I thought they could easily explain that she is a Kenobi, because I havent built up in my head that she is a Skywalker because it fits what I wanted from the trilogy. Thats the only reason I think some people find it hard to digest, because they want it to be about a Skywalker.

Rey being related to the main villain is a pretty much carbon copy of Luke being related to the main villain. Its been done.

 

Like recently? People are really still blabbering about a theory that died on December 17th, a theory that Daisy Ridley herself beat with a stick like five days ago? Sure, Rey Solo was perfectly viable before the move came out, but now it's so obvious how real the wish fulfillment is. Honestly, these are the same people who would beg for Rey Skywalker/Rey Solo one day, and then complain to no end about rehashes the next. Any "I am your father" would be met with so much cringe. I'm cringing just thinking about it. Episode VIII would be written off as "The First Order Strikes Back" in about a second.

Basically film critics reacting to "I am your father, Rey."


I'm so happy this story and its characters have been positioned to go down a compelling, innovative road. There's no way the enormous group of seasoned professionals behind The Force Awakens wrote Kylo Ren and Rey's breathtaking dynamic by accident. Everything about episode VII tells me they know what they're doing. If they somehow manage to **** it up, I'll be led to believe that LucasFilm took its pick of writers from amongst the hundreds of thousands of 13-year-old girls currently signed up on Fanfiction.net.

 

Reply to someone previously talking about Redemption (it's farther back in the thread now...sorry)

People that think Kylo Ren can’t be redeemed are putting feelings over story ability. The question is not can he, but will the writers go that direction.

All you have to do is frame the redemption arc in a certain way, and audiences will start to root for just about any character. I know Jaime Lannister’s been mentioned before, but this guy pushed a little kid (one of the good guys!) out a window.

Star Wars is especially set up this way. It’s a space opera, and its morals aren’t meant to be compared to our world in any definitive way. It’s called escapism for a reason, and it is part of why many people love fantasy, since they can go to another world where the problems that plague them in this reality don’t exist (or they can experience them with a buffer so it’s not personal). A great example of this is sexism. In Star Wars, no one, not once, claims Rey can’t fight or do something just because she’s a girl.

If you followed the comparison of relating real-world crimes to Star Wars, the entire series falls apart pretty quickly. Most all of our heroes become murderers.
There’s a reason that no one claims FinnxRey is an “abusive” relationship even though Rey’s assault and battery of Finn was played as a “meet cute.” If she had chased him down with a staff, attacked, towered over him to interrogate him (because his jacket looks like some other guy’s?) while a buddy tased him, and this had been our reality, she’d be in jail.

The movie frames Rey as a good guy, so most anything she does will be seen as justifiable by the audience (as long as they play it right). When the Resistance blows up Starkiller, most of the audience isn't sad, they're cheering. They're not wondering if there were a bunch of innocent, kidnapped child soldiers or a bunch of other Finns – people with the potential to be good and break free of their brainwashing. The “good guys” can attack basically anyone framed as “bad” if they have a reason and the audience will cheer. (Personally, I think they should address some of this moral ambiguity with the grey jedi, but that’s another topic).

In light of this, Kylo Ren can definitely be redeemed. As long as he does enough ‘good’ things on screen to make up for the bad ones he’s done onscreen, people will believe the redemption. The only specific crime in terms of storytelling he’ll have to atone for is Han’s death, because the audience will hold him especially accountable for that one. To get over that hurdle, we’ll have to see Han specifically say he wants him forgiven, or for Kylo Ren to do something grander in terms of redeeming himself. Either way, it'll have to be addressed. It'd also be nice to see him admit he didn't want Starkiller base to do its job and that was why he was offsite.

The question is not can they, but will they. I’m personally leaning toward yes. Star Wars is built on a message of hope, and killing Leia’s only son with no redemption kind of erases what the OT was all about. If they were going to start a villain’s journey (ala hero’s journey) and turn Kylo into a big bad, they should have started him as a good guy, because then his fall would have been more compelling. And if he was going to be the big bad, making him lose at the end of TFA was a mistake. How can he look formidable against Luke or Rey after he's already been beaten in a one-on-one (wound or not)? What more can they do to top him killing Han? The only thing I could think of is him killing Leia or one of the new heroes or even Luke, but I really hope that doesn’t happen!

 

Yeah I heard that one

I'd like to think they listen to the songs - otherwise what on earth is going on with the song by Selena Gomez - Come & Get It - who the hell would that be implied too? Far too suggestive to say it's Rey saying to Luke when you're ready to accept the lightsaber - look at the lyrics:

[x2:]​

When you're ready come and get it​

Na- na na na ​

[x3]​

When you're re-e-e-e-e-e​

When you're re-e-e-e-e-e​

When you're ready come and get it​

Na- na na na ​

[x3]​

You ain't gotta worry, it's an open invitation​

I'll be sittin' right here, real patient​

All day, all night, I'll be waitin' standby​

Can't stop because I love it, hate the way I love you​

All day, all night, maybe I'm addicted for life, no lie.​

I'm not too shy to show I love you, I got no regrets.​

I love you much, too much to had you, this love ain't finished yet.​

This love ain't finished yet...​

So baby whenever you're ready...​

[x2:]​

When you're ready come and get it​

Na- na na na ​

[x3]​

When you're ready​

When you're ready​

When you're ready come and get it​

Na- na na na ​

[x3]​

You got the kind of love that I want, let me get that. (Let me get that yeah)​

And baby once I get it, I'm yours no take backs.​

Gon' love you for life, I ain't leaving your side​

Even if you knock it, ain't no way to stop it​

Forever you're mine, baby I'm addicted, no lie, no lie.​

I'm not too shy to show I love you, I got no regrets.​

So baby whenever you're ready...​

[x2:]​

When you're ready come and get it​

Na- na na na ​

[x3]​

When you're ready​

When you're ready​

When you're ready come and get it​

Na- na na na ​

[x3]​

This love will be the death of me​

But I'll know I'll die happily​

I'll know, I'll know, I'll know​

Because you love me so... yeah!​

[x2:]​

When you're ready come and get it​

Na- na na na ​

[x3]​

When you're ready​

When you're ready​

When you're ready come and get it (when you're ready come and get it)​

Na- na na na ​

[x3]​

To Finn for when he wakes up?? They do not have that sort of vibe (so sorry Finn/Rey shippers)​

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Totally Rey to Kylo/Ben!! - saying when you're ready to kick the Dark side, let me know come and get me and the Light. hehe​

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I do find it hard believing she is related to a secondary character because in the previous 6 episodes they gave us NO INDICATION that OB1 had a lover/child. A good story does not leave out important details like this. Out of curiousty how did you feel when you saw Darth Vader created C-3PO? Were you ok with it?

 

He could break the Jedi code because he left the Jedi...thats how we meet him, he adopted the name of Ben (coincidently Kylo's real name)

 

Kylo Ren
Finn and Rey are like the Breakfast Club - Star Wars version

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I'm a huge SW and very familiar with the lore. Making rey a kenobi would require a LOT of exposition to sell that to me. It'd be almost as bad if they asspulled finn being the grandson of mace windu.

 

I somehow doubt J.J. would find it in his heart to retcon ANH, given how much he loved the movie.

 

So he hooked up with this woman WHILE HE WAS A FUGITIVE?!. Did he go off-world to meet her? Did he know she was pregnant? Did he KNOWINGLY ABANDON his child?

 

Yeah I didn't care because I'm a casual movie goer, like I said, the star wars sector fans are not representative of the entire audience.

They gave no indication that he had a lover or family...precisely, and its not a big issue if you find out he in fact had kids, I would actally see that as pretty interesting. Like I said they are making a possible Obi Wan trilogy after this trilogy..showing what he did between the time from Revenge of The Sith - A New Hope..so there, you will have your explanation. Rey Kenobi will be the question raised and people will then go to see the movies about her grand father and how Rey came to be...what else are they going to do with Obi Wan's story?

I would really appreciate if you stopped using cap lock

 

He could have been tormented by visions of threats to the galaxy as a whole and how he with his force composition would be uniquely suited to take that on, who knows? Also, who says those visions are real? But he would think they were. In addition, he has been under Snoke's influence for a long time, so though he's not full dark, he's not full light either. In that respect the ethical quality of his decisions would definitely be compromised. The fact that he is so torn between the two sides makes him more likely to make that Machiavellian "ends justifies the means" type of decision.

Also, all of this light vs dark and Snoke vs. Real, Suppressed Self influence is going to make his thinking as distorted and confused as he**. Let's say he thinks that continuing with the Republic is going to make the galaxy go down in flames, and he thinks that because he's been flooded with visions pointing to that. But then he sees his father or Rey, and suddenly he is emotionally forced outside of the Snoke/FO bubble and further, these people activate the light in him. Now that light starts forcing him to ask the question, "Is all of this worth it?" That's why he runs to Vader for reassurance after Snoke tells him about having to take out Han.

Basically it all comes down to the simple question of "Why did he join the Dark Side?" If he doesn't have a plausible reason of achieving something good or worthy, even an emotionally compromised or highly flawed reason, then his character is already done ... because it would have been Ben Solo choosing to go to the Dark Side for completely selfish reasons like power or dominance or whatever. If Ben Solo made that decision then he no better than Snoke. But I don't think he made that decision, because he wouldn't be guilty about it at all. He wouldn've even talked to Han. He would have just stabbed him and kept walking. But with all the emotional turmoil they had Adam Driver portray there had to be a reason. A flawed reason, a decision made of out bad Skywalker (and Solo) judgment, absolutely. But there has to be a reason that has arguably good aims (it doesn't need to convince everybody, just him in his mentally addled state), or Ben Solo was worth nothing to begin with and there never could be any redemption because he was just a bad seed.

 

eh, I disagree. If people could sense bloodlines through the force, then how did Vader torture and stand next to his own daughter without realizing it?

 

And by having OB1 having an affair you would be retconning the PT. they stated Jedi are not allowed to love. So did OB1, the truest Jedi in the PT, forget that rule?

 

I'm not saying it can't be explained, but I don't think it can be explained in a way that doesn't feel forced or sloppy.

 

But you see it would be a big deal. OB1 is a true Jedi knight. He survived the clone wars. He shold have stayed low and enjoyed himself. But he could not let the empire win. Let tyranny rule the galaxy. He made a stand even at the expense of his life. You see being a Jedi is what he is. He would not let it go. And he kept training as well. Remember Qui-Gons training? But the main thing is in the context of the story, told over 7 episodes they should have mentioned that he had a lover, if it was going to be this important. And asking fans to simply believe that he would break the code for the convience of the filmakers is a little bit wrong, espically to fans like me who loved OB1 in the PT.

P.S. Sorry about caps lock or if I am coming on strong. I do not beliee they could simply drop this on us without a proper explanation. And I fear if they do it could be like an expoisition dump like the Architect scene from the second Matrix movie [a badly done scene]

 

Kylo could sense his father, several times in this movie without his father being present.

I believe they can sense certain people at times and at others they cannot and he probably did not sense it because he was so disconnected from the light...and he did not know he had kids, he did not grow up around them.

Luke knew Ben Kenobi.

 

On the topic of Mace Windu, there are stories in the EU about Mace Windu's clan who I believe are mostly FS....and especially if they are making a Mace Windu movie (there are rumors that this is one of the spin off movies Disney is planning), it would be really interesting to bring the Ghosh Windu (his clan name) and their story into canon....I am not sure if Finn will actually be Mace Windu's grand nephew, but I feel Mace Windu's story was cut off too abruptly in the PT so seeing his descendants would be really nice..

 

But no one will care about it unless they make him relevent in the public eye again and Rey being a Kenobi is the best way to ensure audience interest in an Obi Wan Kenobi movie.

Do you think she is Lukes?

 

Keep in mind the writers had Leia kiss her own brother!
It could possibly have been a mistake with the case of Vader and Leia also.
The plot needed to be redone

He could have. He knew about Anakin and Padme and said nothing in regards to it.

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Look how satisfied Daisy is

 

BladenSoul3003 bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

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Just a qucik question am not sure how I can ask without doing a pole. But I will ask anyway, how many of you listen to Making Star Wars Podcast? Because I think you should, I think they may well back Reylo. Although they do say things may change in later films Reason why? Because many who didn't believe, well are still in denial. Interesting how this Reylo is developing. There seems to be a pattern emerging.