ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Thanks, rowan_greenleaft !

Honestly, we're treading into impossible-to-know territory, but we can always throw out possibilities just to see how believable they are. The writers could go in any direction, so I doubt most of this will be accurate at all.

A big piece of the puzzle will be in finding out Kylo Ren's motivations for turning, what happened with Luke, and who the Knights of Ren are. There's plenty of ways to play this backstory in a negative or positive way.

IMO, if ReyxKylo is going to happen, Rey is probably going to have to go at least partially dark side. Otherwise, too many people will see this as a one-sided, "perfect" Rey redeeming "awful" Ben, and it won't sit right with some. I'm not saying that it's not possible, plenty of stories have been told this way (Beauty and the Beast). If Rey goes dark, she can 1) sympathize with Ben and 2) be on his level, so if ReyxKylo happens, the dynamic will be balanced, and the audience will see how similar they are. This would also be hugely satisfying from a narrative POV, since it would cause tons of conflict and tension, and a story thrives on conflict.
If Rey goes dark side, I think she'll be tempted by some kind of familial relation, or Luke will refuse to teach her for some reason. Maybe it's the dark side in her from the lightsaber fight, or maybe she has a force bond with Kylo Ren. She'll definitely end up light side in the end of the movies, though. She is the hero, and I doubt those in charge would ever take that from her. I see her having an epic, grand destiny. That could involve her becoming a grey jedi and learning to use both sides of the force to defeat the big bad.

If this happens, part of Kylo's redemption could be that he doesn't want Rey to go dark side. He sees what is happening to her as a reflection of what happened to him. He sets her free or pulls her back to the light (in a reversal), taking on a lot of personal risk to himself. He could also save her from someone who wants to kill her.

I think a big redemptive act would him being ordered to kill Leia. We see him conflicted, and instead of killing her, he turns the blade on the one who gave the order.

This isn't all, of course. A lot more would have to happen, but you'd be surprised how far small, gradual good acts and scenes of internal conflict, concept art, music, acting and framing can go when making someone sympathetic.

Afterward, if he joins the Resistance side, he would have a lot of information that could help the Resistance take down the First Order.

I see a lot of people thinking he'd have to go on trial, but I doubt it. That would bog down the story, and the galaxy is amazingly huge. I doubt many actually know who Kylo Ren is anyway, let alone that he's Ben Solo behind the mask. Does most of the resistance even know who Ben is? It seemed like Han and Leia were keeping it hush-hush by calling him "our son." Usually, in stories like this, redemption only matters to the audience.
This is the same Resistance who let a recently-defected stormtrooper run a mission that could have gotten every single one of them killed. Honestly, it's baffling to me why they trusted him. He could have been a plant by the First Order. What mattered was what the audience knew, and we knew that Finn was a trustworthy guy. This is Star Wars, after all.

Another thing to remember is that Finn is our other main protagonist in these movies. Kylo Ren, Finn and Rey were the three hero's journeys the movie set up. I'm sure they'll all have important parts to play. The movies aren't just going to turn into a Beauty and the Beast that sidelines Finn, even if that trope plays a role in how the dynamic between Rey and Kylo Ren plays out.

There's soooo many options, and every writer would tackle this in a different way.

I personally would love to see him stop a star destroyer with his force abilities (like StarKiller) to save the Resistance. That would be epic. I also could see him getting a gold version of his current lightsaber since his current saber is "YELLOW-RED" in the script, and that would work from a marketing standpoint. I'm not sure if it would look as good from a concept art POV though. Red vs Blue lightsabers is so elegant.

It's possible they could have him go full good guy, or he could remain a kind of grey-area character.

 

No joking, I would cry upon seeing that, it would be a powerful scene to show the love a mother always have for her children, no matter what
"There is still good in him, I know"- Padme, Luke & Leia

 

Yes you can meet the grandmother in the Obi-Wan spin-off Disney might be planning.

 

A KoR is possibly missing. In the concept art, there are seven KoR pictured (including one with a round hat), not including Kylo Ren. They're referred to as "the seven light." Kylo Ren is depicted below, as the "jedi killer." I wonder...maybe there are only ever seven KoR...so Clan Leader has to die for Kylo to join? Who knows.

 

Yes, aware of that too. But right now I'm willing to think that that's vague enough to also have been he was swinging against someone above Rey.

 

All I can say is knowing me, she's definitely a looker and brobably a blonde or a redhead.

 

I think the seventh knight is the one getting stabbed with Kylo's lightsaber in Rey's force vision....I just had this crazy idea.....does anyone play Kingdom Hearts? Don't they have 'seven light' knights in that game as well? The villain does look a little like Snoke....

 

I wondered about that too..wasn't there something in the old call sheets that labeled one of the scenes of Kylo with the KOR as "Kylo joins the KOR" or something like that. It could mean he's joining them for the first time, although it could mean they're all just regrouping after their battle, I suppose.

About the possibility of Rey being the clan leader/dead KOR's kid, I certainly hope not. Also, honestly, I don't see the point narratively in having Kylo kill Rey's bio family when he's already killed Han, her fledgling father figure. It seems redundant.

 

I'm starting to think Kylo is separate from the 7 Knights of Ren. Kind of like a Snow White main leader.

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Just a quick thought, does anyone else have this feeling that the directors may mislead us by throwing out a fake parentage for Rey in the next movie and only reveal the truth in Star Wars IX?!
Whoever is Rey, she is an important character confirmed by Colin Trevorrow : "Rey is a character that is important to this UNIVERSE, not just in context of The Force Awakens, but in an ENTIRE GALAXY" That mean her parents, and Rey herself have this huge impact to the Star Wars Universe. Whether she is a Skywalker, Kenobi, Palpatine, etc, the producers can make us all believe in one of the theory or given fault information, or even Snoke can uses this as an advantages to make Rey join the Dark Side in the movie,he may have some sort of ideas about her parents but choose to lie, like "Hey, join me and I will show you, your parents and their whereabouts" or "Rey, your parents, both are fearsome Dark Side Force Users,________& _________(names). The Jedi or Rebellion killed them and this is also your destiny, to follow their foot steps and take revenge, don't try to deny it anymore"

 

I have a pet theory that she's somehow related to some ancient jedi. Maybe the first line of force-sensitives, something we've never seen before, and it gives her the potential to be really powerful. It could tie in to Luke searching for the ancient jedi temple. They might not go that route, but I can dream...

 

Aaah I don't think that I would call Finn trustworthy. He lies to a bunch of people in TFA (seriously, I counted this and it's mind boggling) and misrepresents himself on many occasions. But I agree with the larger point that you're making about audience perception. We know he's "a good guy" therefore it's "OK" that the Resistance trusts him implicitly. As for his role going forward, I am of the plot A/plot B camp: Finn will probably be in plot B, at least that's my sense at this point.

I agree with what you're saying about a trial being unlikely for Kylo Ren. Not because people in the Resistance don't know who he is - WE know, the main players know = it is known, and it's a crime the size of the galaxy itself, it cannot be hidden or swept under the rug. But yes, of course crime and punishment in RL is different from crime and punishment in a GFFA. I was just having this conversation in the horrid redemption thread recently. If actions in TFA had the same consequences as they do in RL, Rey would be in jail for shooting at the stormtroopers outside of Maz Kanata's castle just before she's captured by Ren. She shot unprovoked, covertly, and not in self-defense; "consequences" aren't just for Kylo Ren. Yeah, what he did in TFA is awful and he must pay, but it's unlikely that any of that will have real world legal repercussions.

What's more, the harm Kylo Ren has done to the galaxy can be undone if he proves to be instrumental in defeating Snoke and the FO later on (though NOT his crime against his family; that is a separate issue and in my opinion not something that Kylo Ren will ever forgive himself for). And I'd LOVE to see his redemption arc be triggered either by the need to protect Rey or (especially) Leia from Snoke.

Anyway, I love your star destroyer idea! That WOULD be epic for sure.

 

LOL

 

What happened, you ask....they are so equals....Force bond connected. ...destined for greatness....hopefully with some babies in the future. ..lol

Edit : you guys are impossible. ....8 pages since midnight, it will be 1000 even before weekend...catch up...catch up

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Thank you....it must be something in the water ...anyway, Sforza and I are apparently having a Kylo Ren cosplay thing in Zadar this summer, so you are welcome to join and we can speak some more italian, I sure could use the practice

 

Definitely!
The Finn thing is true; he is portrayed as a "good guy" and that's why the audience gives him a pass for lying. I think in the Before the Awakening book he's been set up as leader-material, so I'm wondering if that plays into his part with Leia and the resistance. He might be heading up the fight there, because the movie will become too narrow if the Resistance vs the First Order plot is shoved aside for only the Rey and Luke jedi plot. Of course, they could make him a Skywalker and force-sensitive too, who knows (I've read rumors about both).

Rey is not given the credit she deserves. She's tough; she beats the crap out of a lot of people in this movie. There's a point where she shoots a stormtrooper, looks at her gun as if to say "I just murdered someone" and then grits her teeth and starts shooting more. At the end of TFA, she's definitely flirting with the dark side when she slashes Kylo Ren's face. It even says so in the script, and that kind of foreshadowing isn't without a result...

With Kylo Ren and his father, that'll have to be resolved in a big way. Maybe Han will appear in this or the next movie somehow. I have theories, but they're way too wild to post here.

Another thing I found curious, though, is that Carrie, Adam and Daisy watched TFA together. Does that mean they'll have some significant scenes together in the next movie? Maybe they were just the only ones at that location, but don't actors often watch scenes together so they can analyze them and talk about parts in the script? If so, that's a strong hint that there will be a Leia, Kylo Ren, & Rey scene somewhere.

 

I get what you're saying. I'm starting to drop the ball too much in real life too. I will miss hearing your voice though. Your posts are always great! Wishing you all the best and hope to see you again when the movie is closer!

 

There's this theory running around the Internet,speculated that Rey could be a descendant of Revan and Bastilla. While it would be so so cool to have some Revan & Bastilla references, but I don't know how the producers can explain this on movie for viewers since not all people know about Revan - Bastilla and the fact that the story of Revan is kinda long and complex

 

"I have theories, but they're way too wild to post here."

Try us! ~_^
Seriously, we're into Reylo. Wild is kind of our thing lol.

But yeah, 100% on everything you're saying here.

Rey is not some demure desert flower that can break easily, the way some people speak of her. She's a plate licking Millennium Falcon stealing Kylo wrecker. And one of the big reasons that I love her dynamics with Ren is that she can totally handle him. She can deal with him like no one else has been able to up until this point. She can put him in his place, knock him off his high horse, and leave him open-mouthed, staring after her in admiration. Talk about empowerment. I feel like Ren was going "Go Rey!" internally as much as the audience was when she pulled that lightsaber to her. XD

As for the Carrie/Adam/Daisy viewing of TFA, we've speculated about that aplenty in this thread hundreds of pages back and people seem to be of a split mind. Little_Boots shared that she has an actor relative who was instructed to spend time with the child actress he was working with in order to bond better in their scenes. Then someone (I forgot who) said that they had acting experience and had never heard of such a thing being done. But I recall reading in an article that for the movie Blue Valentine Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams were asked to briefly live "together" in the same apartment so that they could get that lived in couple vibe down. There are extreme practices out there. Asking actors to share a viewing seems like a small thing in comparison, completely plausible.

The first time I heard about the viewing I thought it was cute and likely just moral support for Adam, who has said he hates watching himself. But I've thought about it some more, and that 'support' reason doesn't hold water because Adam and Daisy aren't known to be especially close (like Daisy and John) and Adam and Carrie don't share scenes in TFA. To me it's super telling that it was those 3 actors in particular who were present for that private screening. I do think it has implications for future dynamics and scenes, but again that's mostly wishful thinking on my part.

And here's my Adam Driver contribution for the night:
Look at those eyes. Dude is made of 100% redemption arc material.

 

Bravo!!!!!!

 

I feel the same way, though in my case I think she might be descended from an ancient Sith

 

Sorry, somehow I missed this post! Thank you! And by good Angel, I meant without the Angelus side in the picture. I'd rather had him cured. I feel that being able to portray a romance without conflict is one of Joss Whedon's weaknesses... As for if anyone wanted her with Angelus, I have no idea. I've seen some pretty weird stuff out there, so I don't doubt it. I'm not into fanfiction; who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes...

 

Klara you have been really knocking it out of the park with some of your posts. I completely agreed with everything you were saying your earlier post: about Rey having to go temporarily dark, about Ren starting to turn to the light in reaction to Rey going dark, Ren pulling Rey back from the brink, the galaxy not reacting like an episode of Law and Order to Kylo/Ben's crimes,the insanity of trusting Finn (I really hope they make him a little more complex the next go around), about how the filmmakers could make Ren very sympathetic through a variety of techniques, and last, but certainly not least, Ren stopping a star destroyer!!! LOL! I actually had the same idea in my wild hopes for the next movie. I mean if Ren could conduct all kinds of business while holding that blaster bolt (when it took a straining Yoda to move that ship in ESB), who knows what the he** Ren could do when he actually is not denying one half of himself, but is instead using his gifts authentically!

I also wanted to thank you for pointing out the bolded. I just saw the movie for the first time in 2 months about a week ago, and for the first time I saw what you are talking about with the gun. That was a completely dark side moment. Other lighter characters would might be horrified and just start running, but with Rey, shooting the first stormtrooper just ended up making her more aggressive. I have actually been pretty shocked that people have thought Rey to be totally in the light from the very beginning. I didn't see all her aggressive/dark ways in my first viewing, but I definitely saw the darkness in the Kylo beatdown at the end of the Snow Fight. And if you actually pay attention to Daisy's face in subsequent viewings, there is a lot more darkness there.

rowan_greenleaf ""I have theories, but they're way too wild to post here."

Try us! ~_^
Seriously, we're into Reylo. Wild is kind of our thing lol."

Yes! Post away! I don't think a single one of us view the movie exactly the same, but everyone's additions makes the whole thread so vital and interesting.

 

Regarding the Clan Leader: the actor said he was playing a Knight of Ren, and he's credited as a Knight of Ren.

Now, I don't know if that's 100% trustworthy or not, but I believe he was the seventh Knight of Ren and Ren killed him in a vision of the future.


Edit: Oops, sorry, this was already mentioned a few pages back. This thread is impossible, you go away for a few hours and in the meantime it grows and grows...

 

The part that I bolded and italicized is part of what makes Daisy's casting so brilliant. As much as Adam Driver subverts our expectations, Daisy does a lot of the same with her performance as Rey. With her cute smile and those dimples, we're not expecting to see "dark" from an actress who looks like Daisy, but it's there on the screen.

Typically, when we see "dark" from a female character onscreen, the actress is either sexy or more worldy in some way (e.g. Angelina Jolie) or just flat-out unattractive (e.g. Ursula the Sea Witch). How rare is it that we see a young, cute-as-heck actress portraying a heroine but with subtle dark undertones? Off the top of my head, I can't think of another character quite like Rey.