ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

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I've been thinking something. When Leia says to Han "Luke is a Jedi but you are his father" that's strongly implying that Luke doesn't know how father/son bond works, as in "Luke himself is not a father so he didn't know how to approach Ben." That's how I read that line. Also, I don't understand why pro-Rey Skywalker crowd thinks that Luke is somehow lesser if he didn't get a girl and made babies. He's a Jedi so it's perfectly normal if he didn't have a family but trained new generations of Jedi thus their becoming his (spiritual) children.

 

There's been a lot of discussion about Kylo's narrative arc, but from my first viewing of TFA I've been more interested in Rey's.

She struck me as an amazing character, even before all the Force stuff. She's tough, kind, independent, and faces up to awful situations with determined resolve. She does all this while not having her t*ts straining under lycra or her hair artfully tousled. She's the kind of heroine we've never got to see in a Hollywood action movie, and for me she's the best creation in TFA, just ahead of Kylo himself.

When she showed herself to be strong in the Force, I felt a sense of joy that the Force had finally attached itself to someone who had the innate character and strength to handle it properly. I see her as someone whose personal strengths (not just the Force stuff) are the most important part of the PT. I expect her storyline to be amazing,and I would be surprised if she doesn't become angry and dark at some point, as she looked to be heading at the end of TFA.

Yet fanfic after fanfic depicts her as essentially a romantic partner for Ren, her every thought about Ren, her importance only visible in the context of Ren. I don't think this is remotely how the TFA writers planned her out, so why do so many Reylo fanfickers (and I'm assuming most of them are female) neglect the fact that she has tremendous capacities that will be vital to the future of the SW galaxy, not just as an incubator of Skywalker babies?

I'm fascinated by the energy between Rey and Ren, but I see this as a representation of something important about the Force, not as a picket-fence, boy-girl romance.

 

You may have forgotten he saved his father, because he loved him.

 

Yes he is Jedi Knight in full meaning of the word...I have never seen him as a sexual being in the OT, not even when Leia kissed him (ugh)....he is just too good or inline with the Jedi teachings....like messiah of sorts...too spiritual....the fact that he did have a wife and children in the EU is not a proof that he will have them in the movies....

Edit: I think Luke has compassion (Like a true Jedi Knight should) more then he has love, really, for everyone the same...

 

because they project themselves into her and then write about him. It's perfectly normal. She's the writer's avatar, so a writer won't write about "herself" but about the guy she wants to be with through the avatar. It's hard to explain.

Arcanah Agreed. Also, considering that Anakin's fall was (unjustly) blamed on his attachment to Padme, and since Luke saw how easy it was to fall into the darkness, it wouldn't be in character to repeat his father's "mistake" (I disagree it was an actual mistake but it's largely viewed as one in SW universe). So staying a true Jedi who trains generations but doesn't attach himself to anyone sounds right to me. Also, I can understand that they didn't think Leia's child was under risk cause Leia wasn't trained. maybe they even expected that the baby wouldn't be a FS. But Ben turned out to be a FS prodigy like Anakin and then there was Snoke in the shadows.

 

i don't think so. For two reasons:
1) Rey says that she's waiting for her family to come back. So, any of them: mother, father, siblings...
2) When Maz delivers her line about "one that still could", Rey answers: "Luke". Wouldn't it be too bloody obvious if he was?
At this point, while I was watching the movie I was 99% convinced that Luke was her father but when I heard her saying his name I ruled the Rey Skywalker option out for good.
If they took this path, they would be incompetent as writers and I don't think they are.

 

That was always my interpretion of what Maz Kanata said to Rey - The ones you're waiting for i.e your family are not coming back, but there's someone who still could i.e Luke who isn't your family but with whom you will find belonging as a Jedi.

Pablo Hidalgo is making it as clear as he can without actually coming out and saying Rey isn't Luke's daughter. I think even Mark Hamill has been hinting as much as he can (in a playful way) that Luke and Rey are not father and daughter. But the Rey Skywalker truthers take everything as evidence in favour, regardless.

 

The fact that she instantly says Luke right after Maz said that line..... It should be instantly acknowledged that Luke is not her father.

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Yes, it's pretty clear that most fanfickers are indulging in a happy fantasy about themselves and Kylo/Adam. What strikes me is that their only interest is in their avatar's romantic and sexual power. The female audience has been given an unusually capable, competent and trustworthy female hero, and the only power the fanfickers can imagine her wielding is that of her desirability to a man? That the power to distract a high-status man is what really matters to young women?

It's a bit sad.

 

Actually she implies that Reys family are gone but she needs to go get luke to bring him back to the quest

I can't believe that's what you read from that, her family is gone and Luke is a separate person to her family

Wow the skywalker goggles truly do blind you

 

That's something that won't change overnight. Interest in romance is real, no matter how hard some Internet circles want it to be gone, and in romance, romantic male lead is object of fantasy more so than female lead, since she serves as a viewer/reader's substitute. Not all but most women love romance and male romantic lead is the "money shot". There's nothing wrong with that. besides, what matters is what's in the movie not what's in a fanfic. Fanfic is writer's projection.

 

I really hear what you're saying and for the most part I agree, especially being fascinated by the energy between Rey and Ren. But let's not generalise the young women. It's good enough that mainstream media such as the SW is upholding the strong female character, that's what we should be thankful for, not just the female audience but the male audience as well - and pretty much for everybody. Fan fiction is for the small minority of the audience (young females or not) to pursue their own creativity, projecting their personal thoughts and views. I don't read them, just because they don't appeal to me, but I'm not shaming them for writing these either - they're not for mass consumption like the actual films are.

 

Agreed. besides, Rey's future isn't up in the air. everyone and their mother knows she'll turn out very fine, save the galaxy, become the greatest Jedi ever, headline Episodes X-XII. But Kylo's future is murky cause it could go either way. So intrigue is stronger with this one from fanfic writer's POV.

 

I think they might be a couple at the end. Maybe not a romance but a couple
This one reminds me on me and my wife when having a calm discussion on what to do on the weekend
- so it can work out

 

and here is the wisdom of SW. Ani hasn't been the One... Ben and Rey are. Two of them will bring the balance to the force. <3

 

Geminiwankenobi

Besides, how could Maz Kanata tell Rey that her family is never coming back [remember: two separate people // "the one who still could"] & then tell her (indirectly) "Take Luke's lightsaber and go find him!" ?

It doesn't make any sense.

 

interesting discussion on redemption story for kylo. i obviously would love for it to happen. honestly how do you come back from any kind of sin you do that would make you a villain, all of it would be straight to prison or death. how many examples of villains to anti hero to full fledged heroes do we have in fiction whether it be in books, comics, animation, television or movies. who have done equally if not even more brutal stuff then kylo. i love redemption arcs cause when done well its so great to watch. speaking of a character who did something pretty bad, star lord from the comics commits galactic level genocide to stop the bad guy who was also committing galactic level genocide, he killed 35,000 people to stop him then was sent to prison then became a guardian after. FMA:B has 3 redemp arcs, scar from FMA:B didnt go to prison but helped rebuild a better government along with people he was trying to kill at the start and has killed many government officers and other people, then pride absolutely horrible like king Joffrey level, just terrifying was reborn and got a second chance at life, greed was just like his name cocky, takes what he wants, killer ends up sharing and merging with a person and ends up as a king/ruler of some country. then you have the biggest phenomena in asia the series Hana yori dango, not fantasy just a love story set in high school and thereafter. the main guy is you could say the devil, powerful rich, controls the whole school, you piss him off he turns the whole school against you and terrible bullying ensues and he sometimes participates and he does the same to the heroine. but through out, its a process of him growing and changing for the better along with the relationship he has with the heroine. all of it was well wriiten, made sense etc

so i guess for me you can do a redemption arc so many ways, the possibilities are endless you just gotta push yourself, it doesnt just have to be death or prison. as long as its executed well and written well, it doesnt bother me what kind of redemption kylo gets. clearly though i dont want death because that's overdone in the west. also EU/Legends any one, isnt that peppered with various redemption stories. so when it comes to redemption stories in fiction im not like no, not for him, though i have been where im like i hate this guy and the writer does their job and by the end im like well then maybe i dont hate him anymore and just have this complex feeling for him or i love him, his my fav and my perspective is changed. its really not hard to do. they can do a lot with Kylo's character, he has the potential for many story possibilities. im just gonna have to place my trust with the star wars team.

edit: honestly if im against/not open to redemption of one character in something then i gotta be against/not open to any other kind of redemption for any other characters in fiction. cant be selective can i just my motto edit: clearly im all about redemption arcs so im open to all

 

That's an excellent point. One cannot bring the balance because balance is 2. Dark and Light, not just one or the other. Yin and Yang. One more Light, one more Dark but neither 100% one or the other.

 

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Little_Boots I'm crying!

 

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I hate to break this to you but Pablo just dismissed Han solo as her family, now if Luke is her father then that would make Han her uncle. So he would be family to her if she was related to Luke. Pablo just said her family is not sitting upstairs

 

Hello?

Rey thought Luke Skywalker was a myth? Knock knock!?

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Geminiwankenobi There are people still holding on to the "fact" that Rey is a Solo in the parentage thread, so nothing surprises me anymore! It will be even harder to convince them Rey isn't Luke's daughter. He could declare that he lost his baby making equipment in an unfortunate accident after the Battle of Endor and people would still be making the case for Rey Skywalker!