ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Again, it is a non issue in the story. Unless you think the plot of episode VIII will be Poe and Rey in therapy.

Plus, the hopelessness for Rey readily resolves itself at the end of the interrogation scene and continues through to the end of TFA.

 

Frankenstein had scars do you find him sexy?

Sexiness depends on who one finds sexy...


I'm not saying Kylo will be ugly or hideous, but i'm simply stating a Disney pattern. Think Pirates of Caribbean: Elizabeth ends up with Will - a handsome guy vs Jack who has golden teeth, dreadlocks, wears make up and has scars,

 

And Avatar the Last Airbender is... what exactly? A gritty Quentin Tarantino flick? O____o

Not one person—man, woman or child—will make a single complaint about Han and Leia's son having a scar, and they certainly won't care about any character feeling compassion for said scarred son. The scar hugely important because Rey was the one who created it. It's her "fault". As I postulated earlier, the scar is going to have ramifications on their future interactions for sure. It's very meaningful in the realm of children's storytelling.

Ugh not the Pirates of the Caribbean comparison again. Guys, Will was ALWAYS her love-interest. In all fairness I never watched the sequels (just the original, which I love), but there was never any way she was going to get with Jack Sparrow. It wasn't even a narrative possibility.

By the way I'm pretty sure Jack Sparrow is a recognized sex symbol so :/

And one scar does not = Frankenstein's monster rising from the lab table. Just saying.

 

Kiara & Kovu are also Disney cats. Kovu has a scar btw. They still matched them.

 

lizzie_jo5 Well, I am not sure why this being a kid's movie makes it unlikely that a male romantic interest can have a scar. (Anakin, Zuko, Harry Potter...) Everyone has given lots of arguments in favor of the scar, so I'm sorry to continue this. I guess we can just agree to disagree.

edit-lol ninjas

 

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't a previous post in this thread state that the interrogation scene would have an impact on future films in the trilogy? Thus an examination of the events is prudent, and since people use the Novel to back up their point, presenting what the novel showed in that respect makes sense.

 

Random thought (I have many - most aren't worth repeating!!) Anyway I think there is clear role reversal going on between Rey and Kylo.

As we've seen on this thread before it's show that in fairytales, typically a woman is the damsel in distress who needs saving and the man is the hero. But in this case it's the man who needs saving (Kylo) and Rey is the hero =Kylo Ren is the male version of a Disney Princess!!!

Now hear me out for the similarities to a Disney/Pixar fairytale that I've not seen compared to before - Tangled (which we all know is a version of Rapunzel):

• Rapunzel is stolen from her Royal parents as a baby by Mother Gothel who wants Rapunzel for her powers - Kylo is seduced from his legendary parents (+Royal Mother) at a young age by Snoke for his powers
• Flynn ends up in the story by chance - he's a thief on the run - Rey ends up in the story by chance because Teedo is a thief - he stole BB-8
• Rapunzel has a trusty sidekick in the chameleon - Rey has a trusty sidekick in Finn
• Rapunzel is all about seeing the lanterns/lights - that is Kylo's weakness too - light
• Flynn shows Rapunzel the lanterns - Rey has shown Kylo the Light

I really appreciate that this is a very big stretch and Reylo is way more Beauty & the Beast - but I think there are so many elements from Disney fairytales in TFA (of course that means the original fairytales too - but some of them are brutal with limbs being chopped off etc)
Now I've wasted five seconds of your lives I best get some

 

Well, to each their own, but I didn't see any guy in TFA that could compare to Kylo. Maybe Elizabeth found Will prettier that Jack, OK, but I don't think Rey found any other guy in the movie as intriguing as Kylo. In fact, I think she found him attractive against her whishes, cause he was an enemy. If she had found him at a party and he was not a villain, she would have chosen him over all the rest. And he is far more attractive than all the rest in TFA, at least in my view,and I think I'm not the only one who thinks he is.

 

Yeah, but Jack is played by Johnny Depp, you can't even try to make an argument for his ugliness to me (I saw him when they were filming Public Enemy)

Plus, Disney made a love interest for freakin' Quasimodo


Edit

Yeah, but you really think the ramifications are going to be our heroine Rey in the throes of PTSD? Or Poe dissolving into a drunken mess who can't go back to the war?
They both bounced back within minutes of movie time in TFA, because they are in a Star Wars movie and the physical discomfort is a non issue to the story.
I am interested in the impact of the interrogation scene, but it more likely has to do with Rey's force powers or the connection between Kylo and Rey (they know each other's deepest fears)

 

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that scars just make one look that much more Alpha. But Kylo definitely seems like the kinda guy who would flaunt his scar as like a sign of strength, and a reminder and use that as fuel. I'm really curious as to whether he'll be wearing a helmet in ep.VIII or not. I mean he beat the you know what out of his last one, there were scuffs and scratches all over it, and he doesn't strike me as one who has spare helmets haha

 

I don't think it is that big of a stretch because I made the comparison a while back You totally expanded on it though! I like how Rey can kind of fit with the Flynn character. You know, there is that scene where Rapunzel has Flynn tied to the chair and is "interrogating" him...hmmm

 

Plus, Kylo's scar is going to be a bit thinner than people drawing it in their fanart, lookie here.

 

Don't forget the parts where she constantly beats him over the head with a frying pan for no reason....that's abuse right there ...

 

He also seems the type to be internally enraged by the circumstances of his scar and then emotional by who the giver of his scar was because of what he feels for her. That dude is all about the internal conflict. Until he finds peace inside he will forever be tormented and in turmoil.

& on that note here a lovely bit of fan art I discovered (sorry I don't know who the artist is to credit them):

 

And then she knocks him over the head with a frying pan. Somebody call the abuse police. We need help defending fictional characters from the horrors of fictional violence.

Interesting how Flynn and Rapunzel overcame their differences, evolved as individuals, and grew to care for one another. It's almost like the people who wrote Tangled knew about this little thing called "character development."

 

I honestly see a lot of people drawing it super thin, more than the ones that really go to town with it. It is actually really fun to see all the different ways people decide to draw his scar.This funko pop figure looks like a perfect middle-ground, though.

 

Do you really need me to answer?
No, I don't find Frankestein sexy, but I guess you are joking because you must know when a guy is sexy and when he isn't. Anyone can see that. There are actors that I don't feel attracted to myself but I know perfectly well why others find them sexy, so you must see that Kylo is sexy even if he isn't your cup of tea. I don't know if you are a man or a woman, because most women see AD's sexiness. And no, not everybody is sexy, sorry to disappoint you but no. Some people are not so sexy, they may have other qualities but this is not one of them.

Also, I don't believe that you don't know what I meant when I said scars are sexy in movies, not for a moment, you'd have to be blind and or not seen many movies in your life if you don't know what I mean. They just place them strategically to make the guy look rugged and dangerous, without really spoiling their looks. It has been done all too often for anyone not to have noticed. They make them look sexy and a touch dangerous, the badboy appeal works in movies, it does. Let's face it. But this is fantasy, just a movie, what's wrong with finding a sexy bad guy attractive?

They didn't cast some ugly actor for the role, that was for a reason, I think.

 

Im going to writ what the novel explains the mind probe as:

In the forest it hurts her because she resists:

Reaching up slowly, he touched her face, the pressure he applied was not physical. Refusing to meet his gaze, she looked away, straining with the agony of resistance, Hardly daring to breathe. If only she could get a hand free, a leg-But no part of her body responded to her commands.

Surprised by what he was finding, Ren lowered his hand. Relieved of the mental intrusion, she sucked in great, long draughts of air. His brows drew together and a reluctance to believe his own findings coloured his comments.
"It is true then? You're nothing special after all? You're just a Jakku scavenger?"
How did he know that? she agonised as she stared back at him.
Surely she had't thought it! She's tried to keep her mind blank, her memory locked, and still he had wormed his way in, He touched her anew (sorry but DAMN)


In the interrogation room, he actually removes her arm restraints in the novel:

She knew that trying to resist him would likely result in unpleasantness of a kind she preferred not to imagine. So she remained motionless and silent, her arms at her sides as his hand rose towards her face. He touched her again, as he had in the forest on Takodana. And hesitated. What was that? Something there. Something unexpected (force bond)

As she strained to resist his probe, he pushed into her, brushing aside her awkward attempts to keep him out. while he investigated her mind, he spoke softly.
"You've been so lonely" He murmured as he searched for what he needed. "So afraid to leave." A thin smile crossed his face. "At night desperate to sleep, you's imagine an ocean. I can see it.....I can see the island"

Tears were streaming down her face from the effort she was making to withstand him (starts to hurt). Increasingly desperate, she did try to strike out. but just as on Takodana, her body refused to respond.

"And Han Solo," Ren continued relentlessly. "He feels like the father you never had. A dead end, that vision. Let it go. I can tell you for a fact he would have disappointed you".
All the rage and terror bottled up inside her came out as she turned to meet his stare.
"Get-out-of-my-head"
It only made him lean in closer, enhancing her feeling of complete helplessness "Rey' you've seen the map. It's in there. And I'm going to take it. Dont be afraid"

 

True, although I prefer the way his scar is shaped on the funko pop figure. Most fanarts show his scar as a perfect straight line.

 

I think we're losing the nuance here (not this post but the general responses I've seen to it). Kylo Ren is a bad guy doing bad things. Just because he went "easier" on Rey for whatever reason, doesn't mean it still wasn't "bad guy" territory. This is like Level 10 evil with Poe vs Level 9 evil with Rey. Still villainous. Most people, at least, think a bad thing to do is still bad.

The point is made out of the nuance in the scene. Yes, he's totally a villain here, but we're meant to see that he goes from Level 10 to Level 9. That he sees her as better than Poe or more worth time to go a little easier. That he finds her interesting, captivating in some way. He doesn't let anyone torture her first as he did with Poe. The tone of voice when he sees her loneliness is almost empathetic. When she tells him to get out of her head, he stops. He says "don't be afraid." But just because he empathizes a little, has like 1% of a heart, doesn't mean he's going to drop everything he's doing and stop trying to get the map. He asks her for it. She refuses. What else is he going to do? Stopping Starkiller base from being used, getting to Luke, not being Snoke fodder, hinges on him getting that map. When she turns the tables on him, he doesn't throw a tantrum and lightsaber the room or attack her. He just leaves. If he had just said, "Oh, okay, you don't want to give me the map?" and let her go, he wouldn't be a believable character.

Going "easier" on Rey doesn't make him good, especially when he's interrogating her while she's restrained. None of it does. The point is that well-written characters don't usually go from Level 10 bad to Level 0. A villain that is just all villain all the time isn't a good candidate for redemption. Yes, he goes all Level 11 evil when he kills Han, but they still made sure to show he was conflicted. They pointed at his call to the light multiple times in the movie.

The fact that he is doing all these bad things now is part of what will make his redemption arc a redemption arc.

 

In the Star Wars universe, isn't there a way to heal an injury of that sort without leaving a scar? So if he has one, he will have chosen to keep it?

Klara I agree: We shouldn't be eager to write off the bad things that Kylo does.

 

Anakin and Harry have minor scars not slashes across their faces. No idea who Zuko is though so can't say anything...

 

I bloody love the Kylo flip! When Rey attacked Finn it wasn't nearly as aggressive as when she beat down Ren. When Finn was down and helpless she held him at bay but stopped attacking. She used due force. With Ben she was circling around him like a big cat toying with its prey. There's was more revelry against him, like she was enjoying it. It wasn't until the rift open between them, actual physical distance, that she showed an inkling of remorse, reverting back to her normal self.

 

Er, are you actually responding to my post? Because that is a lot of explaination for something I didn't write...