ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

But how would that work? If she's dead? And most say she won't survive Rebels...would it be an imaginary relationship?
you know, with a ghost?

 

Hope that Disney wouldn't suit a coffee bar...

 

Exactly.And it's not like they can't invent a love interest for Luke in canon novels or comics or even beyond episode 9.Yes,i realize in RL Mark is in his 60s but Luke the character is suppose to be in his early to mid 50s.Some people do start families at an older age he can also marry and not have any biological children.Rey being his daughter doesn't have to be the answer for wanting Like to have a family plus the EU will aways exists as well.

 

My hope is that Ahbroka survives Rebels.

 

I think....I just accidentally convinced a relative of mine and her sister on shipping Reylo. Both of them have already watched the movie and I just pointed out some details as well as some discussion on this thread for them, B&B, Yin & Yang stuffs and now...they're convinced that he must be redeemed and Reylo would be an interesting pair. LOL, I'm such a "good" relative

 

still..more than 30 years age difference? Or did I get that wrong?

you have a thing for hard relationships, either as Brobi-Wan or Luke

Spread the word I am trying to do it but, no one is listening...and they kinda think I am too much into this SW stuff...

 

the shipping force is strong with you.

 

BrehaSolo Great point about Luke's age. if he wants kids, he can find himself a wife later and they can have kids. Nothing wrong with elderly parents considering that life span certainly is prolonged in a fantasy world of SW (if Yoda can live 800 years and Maz 1000 years than mere humans can live longer than average human from developed countries). But that's a story for another time and another medium (books).

 

Arcanah Sforza

Thank you! I did convinced my friends awhile back , they're not really into SW but they willingly accepted that Reylo would be a refreshing change for movie goers and they would gladly watch it if it does happen. Love is a struggle and a war, they said

Even my brother who not a big fan of love stories, give Reylo a nods of approval ^W^

 

Love is a battlefield, hahaha... I guess all who support ReyLo think that to an extent

I always wondered...what does this option throw a dice means? I'm doing it right now


Edit: mwahahaha...what does that mean? Help, anyone?

 

That is so true! If Luke or his "wife" had this premonition to save his daughter, it is really strange he didn't try to stop/save his nephew, not to mention his other students. And Ben was 15 when Rey was dropped in Jakku....so another 4 years for him to turn 19 and disappear....wouldn't 4 years be enough time to warn his other students? Or at least keep an eye on Ben Solo? The arguments of Rey being Luke's child either fall flat or paint a terrible picture of Luke as a father and a teacher....I hope they don't plan to do that to his character.

 

Ahbroka is only 17 years older than Luke.
Only...
lol

 

Good, good... let the Reylo flow through them!

 

well...that's not that bad...but oth she is not human? how would that work?

 

When you put it like this it should be obvious to everybody that Rey Skywalker was not only debunked in the movie and is narratively impossible, it's also ridiculously out-of-character for just about every character involved. You're absolutely right.

How can people be okay with a Luke who abandoned his daughter years before the massacre that destroyed his dream and who didn't bother going to find her for 15 years despite not being otherwise engaged (certainly reuniting with your child would be more important than whatever Luke wanted at the first Jedi Temple). Even if he wasn't the one who abandoned her, surely he should have been looking for her? He's a very strong Force Sensitive. He would have felt whether or not she was alive, but nope. Child-dumping, and worse, child-ignoring are not plot-points for Luke Skywalker. Luke would never do these things. Ever. He's compassionate to the point of self-destruction. He wants to help everybody all the time, regardless of Dark or Light side affiliation. He cared desperately about getting to his father even though that father murdered his teacher in cold blood, tortured his best friends and lopped off his arm. There was no grudge. He just did what he felt was right. That's Luke.

With that in mind, we can clearly see Luke went to Ahch-To in order to find answers about the Force and the first Jedi. Why? To help his nephew. That's the Luke we know. That's exactly what he would have done. He wouldn't have given up and resigned himself to certain failure just because his nephew was seduced, lured away and manipulated into betraying his family. He would want to do everything in his power to find answers, and I feel that's exactly what he did. Sadly he may not have found what he was looking for, but now Rey has arrived to lend him a hand.

 

So that mean Rey was left on Jakku, four years before Ben become Ren??? If Rey is really Luke's daughter, he would never do that, leaving your own kid on a hostile planet like Jakku without anyone there who would help her, Luke have his uncle, aunt and Old Ben back in Tatooine while Rey have none?! And why on earth would he chose Jakku of all the places? I mean he could try to protect her but he could left her somewhere better, Naboo for instance, Padme's relative could still be survive so he could let Rey there after mind wiped her, just saying.

As I said before, I think her real parents, whoever they are, only intended to left Rey there while they trying to cut loose those who chasing them and would come back until somethings bad happens to them. Because Jakku is more like a desperate choice than an alternative one. Since her parents must have been aware that Rey is Force Sensitive and already prepared a place where they could not only to hide her but also had someone to trained her.

 

Interspecies brove. There's a precedent for it in SW.

 

It happens.

 

Yep, so Luke and Ahbroka could happen.
I'm brossing my fingers.

 

Really?...where....maybe don't answer that...it is awfully off topic, we might bore people

or do but try to connect it to ReyLo....something like from a metaphysical point of view...they are so far apart now they might as well be different species...and then connect it to your interspecies brove

 

We don't know the timeline yet, but I think it would make sense if Ben's life really fell apart when he was 19 (the same age Rey was when her life finally started to come together). More Yin/Yang stuff, opposites, two sides of the same coin.

I don't even know why we still bother to say "it's so ridiculous that people think Rey is Luke's daughter" when we all know she isn't because it conflicts with these four things completely:

> The timeline
> The characters
> A non-convoluted story
> Logic

If a theory makes you bend characters beyond recognition (i.e. Luke child-dumping Rey on a horrible planet and basically selling her into slavery years before the massacre) it's automatically out of the question. Even if he was her father, surely he could have actually taken an hour of his life to find a nice family for Rey. Anything. But nope, her abandonment seems like an act of desperation to me. I agree, it feels as though they thought they would be back soon, but something happened.

 

When I read about Laura Dern's role in Episode 8, I am reminded of Battlestar Galactica, the 2004 TV show....I mean, the FO are like the Cylons....like the FO's Starkiller attack on the Hosnian system, the Cylons attack and destroy most of the 12 colonies.

General Leia reminds me of Commander Adama. Since the new republic de-militarized after the battle of Jakku, it is likely that the resistance is one of the few defenses left. I am guessing that Laura Dern will play a role similar to President Roslin and might be one of the few political leaders who survives the Hosnian attack. If they are taking this route, I am guessing there will be a struggle for control between Leia and the new character, while the resistance is under constant attack from the FO.

 

FrolickingFizzgig

Absolutely, this is the main thing. Some people insist nowadays on shaking the basis of good story telling and writing, wanting shock value just for the sake of it. We read everywhere comments saying something is not going to happen because the writers only make you believe something is going to happen to shock you later with a huge unexpected twist. In some cases they even say that if the audience want something they won't get it, because the writers won't give it to them, as it would be predictable and cheesy, LOL. That's what they expect from gritty stories that go for darkness and nihilism. And hollow all too easy flings or careless romances are OK for action movie male heroes but we shouldn't expect a love story with emotional depth because that is mushy and sugary. What?

And what about those who say Rey doesn't need a man but they watch James Bond movies and the such and never complain that James sleeps with all the good-looking women available including the villains? He can kill them later but if they are pretty, first he sleeps with them. Well, Rey doesn't need a man but she may want one, why not? She is not a kid but a woman, I think too many male fans infantilize her and only want her with Finn because that is like a playground crush, it seems very asexual. With Kylo the feeling is the opposite. It seems as if a male protagonists can make out with sexy female villains but if our heoroine does the same she is sending a negative message to all the girls and women who watch the movie. If boys know they can't fly like superman, or they can't go to the street and destroy buildings like the Hulk, and they know the pretty villain is evil, what makes the same people think women are less capable of vicariously enjoying a sexy villain in a movie, without looking for trouble in RL? That is terribly paternalistic and has nothing to do with story telling. James Bond is not family friendly, so we can't expect Rey to act like him, but she may have LI's, why not? Like Thor in his own movie, or Superman and Batman in theirs.

Also, you can't insist on infantilizing female heroines. They may want to make out with a sexy guy as much as a male character and they don't have to be with someone they are not attracted to only because he is nice or because he deserves it.The heroine is not a trophy for the nicest guy. In fact, she is the heroine, so if there is a trophy LI, it should be for her, not the other way round.

There are rules and good writers don't break them because the result may be be shocking but can't be satisfying for the readers or vieweres. Writers know the rules and they can combine them, reverse them, subvert them, whatever the want so long as the structure is not damaged, if it is, it isn't a good story and people don't really enjoy it, not on a significant level.

Nowadays there are too many TV series where they break they rueles just for shock value but that's cheating on the audience and it doesn't work in the long one. As you said, telling a good story is not breaking the rules, it is using them in a compelling way that feels new again and that people may enjoy.

If a story is good when it finishes and you look backwards you will be able to recognise all the bread crumbs the writers left to show you the way, and if they are carefully placed and not in the most obvious places people will love it.

What happens with TFA is that too many viewers are unable to see the breadcrumbs, they are too subtle for them, but when things start to happen most of them will realize they should have seen it coming all along, that the clues are already there. Many say what we say here are just opinions or even wishful thinking but they are wrong, we are only following the breadcrumbs, that's all , while they prefer to stomp on them and ignore them while they are distracted by anything along the way.

Some are also too influenced by previous stories which are too simple and expect the same, they don't just sit there and open up to what may come. The villain has to be like Darth Vader, because this is SW, and he is dressed in a similar fashion, the heroine must be Luke's daughter if she is is not Han's. What's worse, they don't seem to care much about Leia. Another mistake, and I made it myself , is paying too much attention to the OT heroes because this is not their story, so it is not constructed around them, they are supporting characters in this story.

Another problem is ignoring what is in the movie, Kylo is the heir of the other two trilogies, not Rey. This is what the story says, very clearly. We'll see who she is later on, but if he is a Skywalker-Solo, making her a family member would only have worked if she was his sister and her heritage was as important as his. Because if she is going to ensure a new generation of Skywalkers she can't hold less weight as regards heritage than him. Another option would be that he was Luke's and she was Han and Leia's but this would be weaker because cousins as antagonist can't compare to sibling rivalry, specially if they have never met.

And then if there are scenes designed to suggest ST, that has been the writers' and director's choice, so they can't be cousins in a family friendly movie. That's impossible. And I was one of the people who came into the cinema thinking Rey was Luke's because of the trailers. So, what great surprise will it be for her to be Luke's daughter if anyone who saw the original trilogy, like me, will think she is Luke's just by watching the trailers?What's the point of hiding this enigma for so long if anyone can guess it watching a trailer?

 

That would be very interesting, i loved Battlestar Galactica, that show had amazingly well written characters and i would love to see something similar to Adama/Roslin dynamic in seasons 1 and 2 and have them work together in order to survive, despite the differences

 

Yes, and the ring is very much like the pull to the Dark side. The ring destroyed Gollum and nearly destroyed Boromir too. It was also very hard for Frodo to escape the ring's evil pull. This shows that people are not usually bad per se, but the Dark is always there to tempt us and the more powerful you are the highter this temptation is. Even Frodo needed Gandalf as a mentor, the community of the ring to accompany him and then Sam always by his side to help him in the last part of the journey. But Kylo didn't have someone like Sam to help him and it seems Luke wasn't the mentor he needed. Snoke was like the ring, pulling Kylo towards the Dark and he was too young and vulnerable to resist.

I think TFA is also about redemption and forgiveness. It's surprising how viewers can forgive traumatized kids like Arya in GOT when they become mean and sometimes even cruel, or when they kill, but once they these kids grow up and they become men like Finn and Kylo. Then what? We forgive them only until they turn 18? Perhaps never? It's a difficult matter, I know. But I think SW carries a very positive message. That it is never too late to abandon the Dark, the evil ways. Without this hope, why would any criminal try to change his/her ways, atone for their sins and become better people?

 

Just reading an old (ha!) copy of Empire Film Magazine - October 2015 issue (I'm not a horder!!) - and found this by JJ and Kasdan talking about casting:-

"We wanted new characters who will be interesting to you not just for one movie, but for three. Who have the potential to fit into the galaxy and yet be something different than we've ever seen. We've been very lucky with the casting there because those are three extraordinary actors. And then there's Adam Driver...." - think it was Kasdan saying this?? the article wasn't that clear on who was talking.
The article goes on...... Kylo Ren. Not a Sith, but one for whom the martyred Vader is an inspiration and whose mask is a nod to the Dark Lord's own. An acolyte from the mysterious Knights of Ren, whose custom-made lightsaber, constructed by his own hand is as unruly and volatile as the man himself. "He'll be different from anything that's ever been in Star Wars." - think it's still Kasdan, but might have been JJ as the opening question was about who Kylo Ren is - but the interview had to stop while JJ went through airport security!!!!

So Kylo Ren certainly isn't going to be just a bad guy - we've seen them so he will be............something other than just a generic bad guy

Anyway in a different article in the January 2016 issue of Empire they spoke with Adam and about his casting it goes like this:

Two years ago J.J. Abrams saw Drive in Lena Dunham's HBO show Girls and invited him to Bad Robot HQ in California to discuss the role of Kylo Ren, Darth Vader's dark-side heir. They talked about it for a couple of months then Drive said he'd think about it. Wait, he had to think about Star Wars? 'As a fan of the movies you don't want to do a bad job." he reasons. "J.J. said - which is why I was maybe a little apprehensive - 'Just because you can remake something doesn't mean that you should.' I totally agree with him. I feel like a lot of things sacrifice story for the sake of spectacle." He didn't like not being able to read the script until he'd signed up and he was nervous about moving from small, character-driven movies where he's sometimes asked to bring his own clothes and pack a lunch, to a colossal FX-heavy franchise. "I didn't want to just idly jump into something. I wanted to take it seriously."

It then goes on to say that Ben Stiller compared him to Marlon Brando and Jenni Konner (Girls executive producer) compared him to Robert De Niro - and says how much he impressed Lena Dumham and Konner that they expanded his role in Girls from what was meant to be a role in the pilot only. Oh and how he got offered the role in Martin Scorsese's film Silence at Scorsese's house. So surely you don't cast an actor who's been acclaimed like this as just another bad guy.

Talk returns to Kylo Ren and the physicality of the role: "Playing someone who's masked, your body plays such a role in what you're trying to play. What was so powerful in the original trilogy is that even thought Darth Vader was being a mask you could always feel him thinking."

Screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan says "There's never been a character quite like the one that Adam plays." Most people describe Kylo Ren as the movie's villain but Driver thinks that the really worrying bad guys are the ones who believe they're good. Beware the righteous fanatic. "When they think their actions are morally justified it makes them dangerous and unpredictable. There's no level they won't go to to accomplish what they're after. I never thought of the character as an evil person." He was impressed by how much flexibility he was allowed while performing Ren. "I thought that Star Wars, because of all the special effects and moving parts, would have been worked out for me before I got to set. But I was surprised by how much room there was with improv during the action, and how you interpret lines."

Oh and the article ends with Adam Driver should definitely try to see more Adam Driver movies. He's missing out. (He doesn't like watching himself on the big screen).

In a different article in the same issue it states that Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren in the 'forceback' was the last thing shot and Kathleen Kennedy won't describe what they mean by the term which was used by the crew - she said 'We'll just let that dangle, shall we?" ??

In another article (same issue) it reads: If you think you think about Star Wars a lot, imagine how much Abrams has had to ponder every corner of the universe. "J.J. asked me to move a seam on Kylo Ren's costume," recalls costume designer Michael Kaplan. 'It is the first time a director has ever asked me to do that." Obsessive much J.J.?!

And another article (same issue) - this time an interview with Harrison Ford. He was asked of his impression of the new crop of Star Wars stars. And he spoke the most of Adam:

"Adam is really interesting and complicated, he brings a very rich emotional life to the character....I mean he gives the character a very interesting and complicated emotional life, not that he brings his own interesting and complex emotional life to the project. From my point of view, the movie is very well cast."

Anyway, basically as far as you can see you don't put so much effort into a certain actor or role, if you're not going to develop the character, as nothing more than just your run of the mill evil bad guy who gets killed by a hero. So when people claim that Kylo Ren is just another Star Wars baddie the director/writers/actor and co-stars don't think that.

Just read in a British newspaper that all cast and crew are having the camera's on their mobile phones taped up with special tape that changes colour if removed to prevent leaks!!

Reynak and don't forget Galadriel (practically a symbol of Light) is even tempted by the seduction of the Ring/dark in the scene with Frodo when he looks into the water and sees the past + future?! Oh and Gandalf was tempted at the very beginning too. I think Bilbo is a great example of a good character being changed by a corrupting force beyond control - he's a decent guy who over time the Ring changes him - he doesn't become evil or bad but it changes him, makes him less of a nice guy.