ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

If it so happens that Ben never wanted to be a jedi, it'd be an interesting twist-- a boy who never wanted to be a jedi ironically becomes this super powerful "sith wannabe" for lack of a better word lol. And with Rey, it'll be very interesting to see what path she chooses. Will she become like Luke and become a galactic peacekeeper or would she just want to have a regular family life?

If at the end Rey opts to not be a jedi and Ben will probably just distance himself from all of it, they could actually be an example of force sensitive people who decide not to become jedi. Instead, they could actually go help people who also are force sensitive but don't necessarily want to be jedi, train them to use their powers so that it does not overwhelm them. And of course they could have the option of joining Luke. It opens up potential stories for the future, where not all force sensitives necessarily have to be jedi. They can make their own decisions regarding their future. People can easily marry etc. In the old days, little children were just taken away from their families for their own good, because there was a fright that the kids, if put under the wrong influence, could become sith. But obviously being a jedi means letting go of certain aspects of life that people may not want to do and this always poses a risk. Not allowing people who have what they want, such as love, is detrimental. Another route should be left open.

A lot of this reminds me of Legend of Korra, in which new airbenders spring up after the Harmonic Convergence (in which Yin Yang aka Raava and Vaatu battle it out). Coincidentally, I believe the episode was called "The Awakening." In LOK, Tenzin has a difficult time recruiting the new airbenders because they are not interested in leaving their lives to become monks. They do end up going with him, but I wonder, what if they just learned to train their powers but still led their ordinary lives?

 

You know, that makes the New Republic sound like the Mages Guild from The Elder Scrolls.
If you don't know the Elder Scrolls series, let me quote the founder of the Mages Guild: "The Guild has become nothing more than an intricate morass of political infighting." No surprise then that crime seems to flourish in the GFFA. Hell, they didn't even notice SKB being built, or the FO spreading far enough to have their own spies at literally every corner!

 

That's a shame (especially for the actor) I wonder what his character was meant to be doing in the film?? I guess we'll maybe never know. He kinda looks creepy cool too.

 

I think he was just gonna be in the background or in view.


What Girl

Feeling empathy or compassion for a stormtrooper that chose not to fire on the villagers would be horribly inconsistent for a character that just cut down and old man after a snarky reply and who then casually ordered the troopers to kill all the villagers. Him being "crazy" or "emotionally unstable" is not exactly a solid explanation.

 

Hehe I'd be up for it! That's a great idea!

 

Why do so many people think Maz's speech is "concrete evidence Rey is not Luke's"?

Luke gets ANY RANDOM women pregnant. The women finds out. She flees & gets in trouble. A few days, weeks, months, WHATEVER the mom dies.

Maz's speech is more vague then the second amendment.

 

He even got two different toy figures made!! Seems so wasteful to have toys commissioned of a character that was cut from the film. Oh well, maybe he'll crop up somewhere else??

 

I took that line to mean that no matter how much Jedi brower that Luke has, Han was still his father. Not necessarily that Luke wasn't a father to anyone, he just wasn't Ben's father. And regardless of how strong Luke was with the force, that would never replace the bond between father and son. Something I think Luke would agree with, having seen how the brower of the father-son bond was stronger than even the pull of the dark side.

 

Since I recently watched all 7 movies in order from Episode I to VII, I'm convinced that Yoda and Brobi1 didn't understand why they failed. I base that on their urging Luke to a) leave his friends to their fate so he could complete his training and b) kill his father. They continued to underestimate basic human emotions in particular compassion and love that they preach is essential to Jedi life.

Now, I'm absolutely convinced that only Rey and Kylo love can show that old Jedi system that repressed emotions and banned attachment was wrong. Anakin didn't fall to the Dark Side because he loved Padme. he fell to the DS because he was forbidden to love her and he had no support system except Palpatine who was taking advantage of the situation. They were young without anyone to turn to. Jedi, including Brobi1, wouldn't understand or sympathize. So it wasn't love that was their doom, it was the system that didn't allow love. Unnatural system built by people who had no clue how human emotions work. So Yoda suggests that Anakin acts as Padme's bodyguard because a) it's a crappy job unworthy of a Jedi but that's standard game they played with Anakin, never giving him real assignments and b) he cannot foresee or even put 2 and 2 together that young handsome man and young pretty woman who haven't seen each other for years will fall in love. Jedi are 100% to blame for what happened. 100%.

Now, Kylo isn't supposed to fall in love either as a Jedi (for Jedi reasons) or as a Knight of Ren (Love = Light). But he does fall in love and that saves him. This moment (legal gifs from blue ray trailer):






save him from this fate:



If Kylo picked up Anakin's lightsaber, the symbol of being "as strong as Darth Vader", he would complete his journey to the DS even though Han managed to put the crack into the spell with his gesture of love. But at the moment of trying to call the saber, Kylo was high on negative emotions from the fight with Finn, or as Emperor eloquently put it:



So think about it. High on hate, picks up Anakin's saber, feels like the most powerful Dark Lord...except for the twist. The biggest twist ever. Love happened.




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She picks up the saber instead... and he falls in love. Desperately.

Why did that happen? Why wans't he enraged like when Finn showed him that he had Anakin's saber? Why didn't he yell "That saber belongs to me!"? Because this is a fairytale and in a fairytale love always breaks the evil spell. Character who vows not to love, falls in love. The fate or, in this case, the Force sent Kylo what vexes all men



"What GIRL?" "Girl I've heard so much about"



"By the grace of your training, I will not be seduced."

Few hours later:



"You need a teacher. I can show you the ways of the Force."

Kylo fell in love with Rey. He fell so much in love that he didn't care about the lightsaber anymore which is symbolically like giving up on what it represents (Vader's power). he just wanted to be with her even when the ground opened. And he couldn't hate her even when she slashed his face. Love has that power. It changed Kylo's fate. Jedi should and must allow it going forward because love didn't doom Anakin. Forbidding love did.

Snoke tried to kill Kylo's love for his family because Anakin's love for his son broke the curse. But he didn't count on romantic love because he believed (wrongly just like the Jedi) that romantic love sent Anakin to DS. Kylo and Rey will prove them wrong and that will save generations of new Jedi.

 

oh man this is SW. Every single character has a name. I'll bet there's even a toy of Dr. Evazan (I don't like you either!) out there somewhere.

 

Kylo and the stormtrooper are on the same side of the war (at least they were, at the time) which might've made some difference there. Like I said, he doesn't seem into killing his own men even when they mess up or tick him off.

 

Yeah, Luke's one night stand with some random woman who runs off with his child and promptly dies is great story material for Star Wars

Can you not seriously see how that would just not fit into the series??? Star Wars is not that cynical, especially the movies. It is not gonna happen for one of the main heroes.

And even then, Maz says to Rey that the belonging she seeks in is front of her- not behind. Luke as her father is still very much the family that she was waiting for , that she decides to let go of. Like Maz isn't even being vague here: family is behind. Rey cries and let's it go. She isn't seeking her family anymore. Her finding out Luke is family just negates that whole scene.

 

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I'm just going to keep this:

That's how I took it too, Browalker. I don't think Luke had any children, but I also don't think that line states that specifically. It was all about Han's bond with his son (which we know was canonically shaky because Leia and Han were so busy with the New Republic). He also wasn't understanding because he couldn't relate to his son (who was a very powerful Force Sensitive). I bet Han felt Luke could give Ben something he couldn't, but Leia knew how wrong that was. Han saved his son when he died loving him, looking into his eyes, touching his face and forgiving him <3

 

I think that Luke leaving a random woman pregnant is even less likely in a family friendly movie like this than the ostensible bad guy getting redeemed and ending up happily paired with the heroine with 2.5 kids.

 

That really doesn't have anything to do with what i'm saying. I'm pointing out that feeling something for finn in that moment does not in anyway seem consistent. In fact, I'd say that exchange was more about finn. Finn is the character thats shown to be reacting to kylo's gaze. Some think he just sensed finn's feelings, others speculate that kylo sensed something in the force with Finn. The way the shots interchange do not suggest that kylo was meant to be the focus. Given the little we'd seen of kylo at that point VS the little we'd seen of Finn, it wouldn't make sense for the film makers to make that about kylo feeling empathy, as no audience member would pick up on that.

 

Speaking of which - could anyone with a Twitter account ask Pablo if Mitaka survived his report to Ren?

 

Kylo in a nutshell. He's so much like Anakin it isn't even funny and when a son or grandson is like a father or grandfather, that's always because of giving that original character a second chance. Anakin was cut down during prime years of his life - young, in love, father to be. he couldn't enjoy all that but his grandson still has a chance to break free and live the life that his grandfather couldn't. because Anakin lost his love when he turned but Kylo miraculously found it.

 

I can picture Luke Skywalker sat around a campfire with Rey, singing a cover of Willie Nelson's 'To All The Girls I've Loved Before' and then explaining to Rey that he and her mother were merely starships that passed in the night. Then he'll tell her he's sorry she was left to scavenge a living from a tender age, but them's the breaks kid! Oh, and then he'll say, your mommy didn't come back for you, so she's most likely dead. Anyway, never mind, your daddy's here now and thankfully you're a chip off the old Jedi block!

Yep, that's exactly how this is going to play out!

Rey Skywalker makes no narrative sense in the context of TFA. It was different for Han, Leia and Ben. Their family was a natural progression from their epic OT love story. Luke had no established love interest. In fact, I'm sure it was said that after the events of Return of the Jedi, he set out looking for force sensitives to train as Jedi. That was his natural progression, like Obi-Wan Kenobi, passing his knowledge to a new generation of Jedi. Not to mention how dangerous it would have been for him to train Ben Solo, knowing about Snoke's malign influence if he had a wife and daughter to protect as well as an undetermined number of Jedi apprentices under his care.

Whichever way you look at it, and I'm not talking through Reylo vision, Rey Skywalker makes no sense.

ETA - Rimfaxe96 Pablo Hidalgo already answered that in one of his tweets and said he did survive.

 

If we didn't see a body or a killing blow, then he probably survived.

 

LOL, guys, your jokes about Luke knocking up some poor woman in a Disney movie are cracking me up. So true. Zero sense.

 

Thanks Diddy Minty I hope Mitaka returns in VIII. I think I saw him operating at the Finalizer's bridge as well.

 

LOLOLOLOL @ LUKE GETTING RANDOM GIRL PREGNANT. What are we watching, Game of Thrones? This is Star Wars. It's an epic coming-of-age children's fantasy franchise where one-night-stands/affairs would never even be alluded to. Also what a convoluted and melodramatic story. That would need so much mind-numbingly painful exposition. Just imagine the dialogue. This would be Anakin and Padme Prequel-level bad.

REY
(emotional)
What happened to her... my mom?

LUKE
Well Rey, I knocked her up after a night of fun over at the cantina, but the morning after she was gone. Poof. Like magic. I heard from a little birdie that weeks and months passed, but I was already hooking up with other girls at the cantina, creating an army of little Skywalkers, so I was like "meh". Live and let live. So yeah, I guess she left you on Jakku. Wonder what happened to her. OH WELL. Training time. Father-daughter duo, amirite?

 

People, I think its pretty obvious that darth basin was merely giving a very basic example how how Maz's dialogue in no way debunks "rey skywalker". Of course luke didn't just bang some random woman and dip. The story could go in the direction of her mother getting her out of dodge and being forced to dump rey as she was being chased. For all you know, Luke could've been under the impression that his entire family (wife and child) are dead. Heck, they could go even further and make it so rey is actually all thats left of a twin duo. Maybe luke doesn't even know he has children as he and his lover were split during all the ruckus and rey was born to her mother in seclusion. The point is, there isn't anything in TFA that outright confirms or debunks rey skywalker. Convincing yourself that either is canon is not a very good idea. Personally, i'm wondering why lor san taka and a group of force church people were on a junkyard world. Is it possible that he was playing an obi wan to her luke?

 

Doubt it.

 

It amuses me how the protectors of Disney's moral integrity are outraged at the idea of Reylo, but Luke Skywalker tom-catting around the galaxy is just fine, apparently!