ST Knights Of Ren Discussion Thread

anyone an use a lightsaber but there aren't many in this time period. kylo built one to be like vader. the other kor don't use them and don't need them. they have their own weapons.

 

Yeah, why would we assume that all Force users value a lightsaber?

 

As we've seen in TFA, in the SW universe one can use other, more powerful ranged weapon than a blaster (Chewie's bowcaster). Maybe some have blasts that are not easiy to deflect with a lightsaber. When Vader was shot at with a sniper rifle, he had to form a human shield to defend himself. I'm guessing that trying to deflect with a saber is not such a good idea against a powerful sniper rifle.

 

Hmmm... except there are seven including Kylo. Let Kylo be Grumpy Ren, then.

****, I can't get the image of Grumpy (the dwarf) throwing a tantrum at home with a lightsaber after a bad day at the mines.

 

C'mon RobbyV, clearly he's Emo Ren.

I like the idea that the Knights of Ren have been hand selected and trained, perhaps by Kylo even though his own training is incomplete.

Alternately, I had also wondered whether Snoke created the "knights of ren" (with the positive connotations of the word Ren) as part of the seduction process.

 

Kylo is kinda like a Mob boss.

The other KoR are his protection and also his saboteurs.

 

The Lucas Story group shot them selves in the foot with Kyber Crystals. There not hard 2 get. Apparently many laser/blaster FO weapons have K. Crystals. I guess the explanation is lightsabers r hard 2 make.

 

That's probably part for the reason, but it seemed to me like they played up the power of the sniper rifle as well.

 

I just thought about something that might be the meta symbol/meaning of "Knights of Ren". I don't know if others have already thought of or posted this so apologies if they have.

The etymology of the word "Knight" is youth/boy/servant. A gender-neutral synonym for youth/boy is "child". Therefore the "Knights of Ren" are "Children".

 

So you're saying the KoR are children/servants to a grand master of sorts? Some sort of parental authoritative figure, pulling strings behind the scenes? That sounds so familiar...

 

I don't know. It could mean anything -- maybe they simply started out young. Or maybe they're simply younger than they appear (early to mid-teens?). Or they behave like children. Or what you said.

 

I'm not saying they're actually children. I'm saying that there's a "father" figure who the Knights serve, and that figure is Snoke. Snoke = Ren?

 

Well I think there's no new information there. It's a safe bet Snoke's been behind all this stuff for a long time (since Leia says so herself about Ben in her conversation with Han).

I'm just thinking that outside the story, the name might mean something more as a clue to their origin or nature -- that they might actually be kids (well, somewhat very tall kids!).

 

They sort of remind me of Cobra Unit from metal Gear. The Boss, is composed of The End (J. Grant Albrecht/Osamu Saka), a venerable expert sniper credited as the "father of modern sniping";[22]The Fear (Michael Bell/Kazumi Tanaka), who has supernatural flexibility and agility; The Fury (Richard Doyle/Masato Hirano), a disfigured former cosmonaut armed with a flamethrower and a jetpack;[17]The Pain (Gregg Berger/Hisao Egawa), who can control hornets to both defend himself and attack his enemies;[17] and The Sorrow (David Thomas/Yukitoshi Hori), the spirit of a deceased medium.[23]



Here is a article from TV tropes for Cast calculus. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CastCalculus?from=Main.SixStudentClique

Here is the one for 7: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheMagnificentSevenSamurai

he Hero will receive the Call to Adventure. He will then assemble aRagtag Bunch of Misfits. ---> Kylo Ren (Red Oni)

• The Lancer (if not immediately present, The Hero always knows exactly where to find one) Probably the Stoic (Blue Oni)
• The Big Guy -----> The heavy
• The Smart Guy
• The Old Guy (sometimes a Shell-Shocked Veteran)
• The Young Guy
• The Funny Guy

7 deadly sins
1. Wrath---> Kylo Ren
2. Sloth
3. Envy
4. Pride
5. Gluttony
6. Lust
7. Greed.

7 colors



D7D Route

• Bard --> ??? Pink ???
• Engineer--> Amrory --> Blue
• Fighter ---> the heavy --> Orange
• Magic-User/Mage/Wizard --> Kylo Ren --> Red
• Monk/Mystic --> The monk ---> Purple
• Ranger --> the sniper --> green
• Thief/Rogue --- the rougue --> yellow

 

What's the source for lightsaber crystals being called 'kyber crystals'? I know that's an old name that predates even the script of Episode 4, but it isn't necessarily a canon name for lightsaber crystals.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kyber_crystal

 

You didn't answer my question, but it looks like it's mainly from rebels and TCW. There you go.

 

The first reference I ever read about the Kyber crystal was in '78 in the novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye. It was a magic jewel thing that increased a Force user's power when he touched it. Didn't say anything about using it in lightsabers.

 

they just recently brought the kyber crystals into canon as the lightsaber crystal.

 

Wait what!?! ‏@unicornsmoothy Mar 23
@pablohidalgo Are all of the Knights of Ren for sensitive or is it just Kylo?

Pablo Hidalgo‏@pablohidalgo​

@unicornsmoothy Too early to say for sure, but nothing about them indicates any beyond Kylo are Force-users.

 

This is interesting from Pablo. I think that that they're a militarised, opposite organisation to the Church of the Force, dedicated to the Dark Side, and also destroying the anything relating to the Jedi - the type of stuff that the Church of the Force would strive to protect.

If they're not Force sensitive, it does beg the question: Who are the other apprentices that Snoke references in the novelisation? Unless of course, these are apprentices from long ago.

 

Always felt the fact that only Kylo carries a saber seems to lean in that direction. Them being the opposite of the Church is an interesting idea, a yang to their ying. I still feel like there has to be a connection between the Church who think that the Jedi Order will return and bring balance to both the force and the Galaxy and them having a map that leads to Luke while the person who the Force Awakens in and who's destiny is Luke just happens to be living on the same planet as a village made of this Church. What if the Knights see Kylo being the heir to Vader as a messiah type who like Snoke said is the perfect embodiment of Light/Dark. Rey is the champion of one side and Kylo is the champion of the other side.

We do know that Kylo Ren is the "Master of the Knights of Ren" and his training is incomplete, would it make sense that an untrained person be in charge of the Knights if there were other apprentices that were better than him. It's what makes me think there aren't any.But we do know canon wise that Kylo like you said is not the first for Snoke there was others. Hard to say, would they introduce more Darksiders after so much focus on both Kylo/Snoke in VII?
Colin once said something basically along the lines that IX will not introduce new characters as he will "inherit" those from VII-VIII, which makes sense since it's the last movie of the ST, closing chapter. Which only leaves VIII and the most likely candidate currently might be Del Toro.

 

starocean90

Yeah, I agree. If the KOR are not Snoke's apprentices, then I don't see other new Darksiders being introduced in Eps 8 & 9. I don't think there's room for more such characters in the story. More likely, the apprentices are part of Snoke's backstory. Old history.

 

I suppose what's missing from the 'Knights of Ren in the rain' shot is the 10,000 stormtroopers and 50 AT-ATs that did all the damage before these posers turned up for their beauty shot.