ST Kylo Ren's Future/Fate. Death/Redemption/Other?

nightangel

We saw who planned to kill Han, it wasn't A-V, it was Snoke and Kylo. A-V was silent when Kylo tried to communicate with him.

I think someone already posted something about Kylo's deed being reflected in a different light in the following movies. That would fit very nicely with the idea that Kylo murdered Han so that he could get to Snoke.

Absolutely. Vader didn't denounce Palpatine because he loves democracy, freedom and bald eagles so much (he had two decades to realize what's bad about fascism but didn't), but rather because of his love and compassion for his son. Just because he did that doesn't mean that all his previous views and his personality simply vanish!

 

this really baffles me.

do you just never examine the reasons for behaviour or is it to do with this particular character?

 

Han said he will help him. Maybe Han did not know what Kylo understands with the meaning of "help"
Maybe Kylo thought in his mental sickness that Han is offering himself to be sacrificed as a "gift from the family" to have Kylo finally getting close enough to Snoke to kill him. Kylo maybe was convinced that Han - as part of the family - is supporting his plan to kill Snoke and take over the FO (+ the Vader Destiny) and not supporting his son Ben as a human being to get back to the good side

 

This doesn't make it better or justifies it. Sorry, but I don't feel attached to murderer and torturer Kylo.

 

What makes you think I do?

 

The outcome if Kylo is good or bad is not important at the moment. I think in the matter of what he meant for "Finish what you started" this general plot theory is the closest so far to fill ep7-9

 

Any attempt to theorize on a backstory that is seen to lighten Kylo's responsibility or put him in a more sympathetic light usually gets the response you did. It's just funny that you're now on the receiving side.

Reasons, not excuses.

 

Fair enough. I try to differentiate between posters, weigh who said what and why. But I'm not perfect. Compared to others you seem quite honest in your responses.

In any case, even if we have a Kylo who follows misguided idealism on our hand (believing in Vader's vision of a fair and just monarch), it by no means tells us whether he is redeemed or not. More often than not in cinema, fanatics die. So that's what I believe will happen to Kylo. He'll die a tragic death as disillusioned fool.

 

Since Reylo fans and Kylo fans were repeatedly mentioned and made fun of many times in this thread



Lol, how Rude (but True), the haters's opinion in this forum don't have any impact on anything and Lucasfilm clearly doesn't even give a crap.

 

This thread (or any other for that matter) WILL NOT become the go to place to complain about the Reylo thread's closure. This is the one and only warning.

 

Well duh. Of course they don't give a crap what some forum thinks, they better not.

 

Why would they? We make up like .00000002% of the people who actually saw that film.

And "understanding" why Kylo went bad doesn't automatically mean that he's going to "redeem" himself in the end. That's a distinction that isn't made enough around here.

 

I hope that anyone who is lurking here will respect this forum's decisions in terms of its own moderation. We are all guests here, and we should be having fun with Star Wars, not starting Forum Wars. In the end, new movies and new material will come out (I look forward to that day) and many of our questions will be answered.

I will be curious to see if viewing the movie in HD will affect posters' reactions towards Kylo Ren and his possible redemption arc. Are people here planning to rewatch?

 

I'm planning to rewatch the movie this weekend with the digital copy and then watching the entire saga next weekend. Watching him in HD won't make me suddenly not see him as an abusive murderer though.

 

I've seen it six times, and saw more and more stuff each time that I initially missed. And, he's still a murdering jerk.

 

I believe it.

I have been pondering the huge divide between those who feel sympathy and those who do not, and I have wondered whether some of it had to do with reading microexpressions. I actually don't think anyone here's opinion will change seeing it in HD, but I'll be curious to see if some more casual viewers come out with a different reaction.

 

Is that a serious question? The question should be, how many times do you plan to rewatch -- in the first 24 hours that you have the Bluray?

I've already seen it *cough cough* in HD, and what I'm wondering about is what those gadgets (aside from the low wooden bench) are lying around Ahch-To that Rey stops to look at. One was some cylindrical thingy on the ledge and there were some small, shiny metal parts on the ground. Didn't notice those in the 5x I watched the movie.

 

Why won't you watch the torture scene again anakinfansince1983? just curious? He's a villain, she's the hero. It cements the fact that he's bad, and it's a great scene for showing Rey's resolve as it shows her defeating his mind probe which I think is an epic point in her force awakening...

 

I can confirm that it won't.

My lack of sympathy is based on his actions and the fact that he clearly has trouble with what he's doing. He continues to do them. That is both illogical and completely unacceptable for me. Someone pointed out that if he truly believed what he was doing was right, then he'd have more of a tragic vibe to him. He'd be a guy who's misguided and completely deceived, but crylo is fully aware that what he's doing is wrong, yet continues to do it. Thats essentially why I don't see him as sympathetic.

 

The scene I can't watch again is han's murder. I just.....I can't.

 

Nah, if opposing arguments and views from the last 3+ months weren't enough to move most people's opinions, I don't think seeing bigger pores and other skin imperfections is going to change anyone's mind.

I would expect more accurate representations when recounting the scenes in the discussions though... or maybe not.

That's quite curious. It was my favorite scene in the entire movie.

 

RobbyV
"That mole, I didn't see it before, it must mean....SOMETHING!"

 

Kylo Ren should be redeemed and sentenced to jail for eternity, where his cellmate is none other than everyone's favorite Gungan, Jar Jar Binks.