Full Series Rebels 2.21/22 - Twilight of the Apprentice (Season Finale!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Kanan did that strictly based on plot necessity. Don't put too much weight on it. They basically only had a few options there if you think about it. Ahsoka and Vader would of been better adversaries but they had a fight between themselves. So that leaves Ezra and Kanan. Ezra makes no sense for obvious reasons so that leaves Kanan by default. I think they did well with it too. Kanan doing the whole 100 eyes on Maul wasn't new but hey it was cool

I think personally Maul will meet his fate against Darth Vader in what will go down as the greatest duel in Rebels history.

 

They could have had Maul just smile and jump off the edge. He was done there anyway, right?

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Do not confuse Vorax's wild theories as fact. There was no reason for Maul to leave here without killing Kanan. He wanted Ezra to himself and Kanan was an obstacle to that.

 

The last 5 minutes in this episode is the saddest moment in Star Wars history

 

It was pretty intense and moving, but at least in terms of Ahsoka, it wasn't as sad as when she walked out on the Council.

 

While it was kinda dumb and Sam's acting or over acting can be at times comical. Its not wise to make a big deal out've nothing really. Maul and Kanan blocked eachother's blows, Maul threw a punch, Kanan grabbed his wrist and swung him around and Maul tripped/stumbled backwards over one of the statues and fell. It was not like Kanan kicked his ass .

 

I'd say Fives death and Order 66 take that for me anyway

 

How Order 66 was portrayed in ROTS was too broad for me to react so emotionally with it. Outside of those who might have read EU novels, the Jedi hunted down and killed by the clones were pretty much expendable. None of those killed on screen had any speaking roles in the movies, did they?

 

Order 66 is definitely one of the saddest moments. Both Order 66 and Twilight of the Apprentice bring a tear to my eye.

 

In ROTS all the Jedi are killed and Palaptine took over the Republic all in the matter of an afternoon. It was all too quick and neat to fit.

I feel like Star Wars historians will look back at the era between 1997-2014 as the darkest time for our franchise lol

 

Maybe 1997 through 2005.

 

Depends. I happen to interpret the start of Order 66 as the events taking place in the Chancellor's office as the team of Jedi Masters battle Sidious. Which of course means that to me, 66 involves more than just clones acting as aggressors (obviously, I'm counting Sidious and Vader, here).

So for my money, Mace Windu qualifies (even if the literal command hadn't been issued to the clones yet).

But if we're just considering the roughly five minute sequence which begins with Vader and the 501st marching on the Jedi Temple? You technically still have Ki-Adi Mundi as a Master with some lines in the films. Oh, and the kid looking to "Master Skywalker" for help (though he and his mates weren't killed onscreen).

But the point is made kind of moot by the fact that, for any fan of TCW (in other words, to any fan no longer experiencing the PT through a 'films only' prism), in watching the deaths of Plo Koon and Aayla Secura, you're watching the sad demise of two more Jedi who you've come to know. Add to this the idea that the clones depicted in TCW as heroic and honorable are now on the other 'side'? And the whole (for better or worse, depending on who you ask) inhibitor chip thing?

For me, anyway, these things add dimension to the Order 66 scenes.

 

If TCW came out in between AOTC and ROTS, then I might've felt differently. No matter how many times I watch the Order 66 scene of the film, it doesn't nearly get to me like several noteworthy moments throughout TCW; Ahsoka's walkout among them.

 

Rewatched Shroud of Darkness and Twilight of the Apprentice and have some more to say...

Ahsoka is not dead. Can take that to the bank. The screenshots I've seen posted here do not capture what my HD TV did -- which makes it plain as day that Ahsoka is walking into the temple at the end. As for why? I do not know. But it's her and something "symbolic" aka a ghost of some sort just doesn't hold water.

AND - given how many times the point is made about Ahsoka NOT being a Jedi --- he surviving into the ST or the OT seems to me to be completely acceptable.

The more I use my critical eye on these episodes the more I am amazed at how many callbacks to other Rebels episodes, TCW episodes, The PT, the OT, and even the ST.

I could not be more impressed with the way this episode was handled. Awestruck. They tied so many things together and made direct and passing references to so much dialogue and theme without hitting you over the head and yet unmistakable.

That kind of depth is just not seen when done this well.

Well done to all the creative team involved.

 

I get so many chills from The End Is Now audio cue.

 

I'm not replying to you as a counter to your post, specifically, e-none.

But since you've brought it up, I gotta be honest, every time I hear some claim in the episodes about Ahsoka not being a Jedi, it feels to me like Filoni and Co. dropping an unsubtle sledgehammer to my head (yeah, right, as opposed to a 'subtle' sledgehammer); reaching through the fourth wall proclaiming "See? See! It's okay if we keep her around! From a certain p.o.v., this makes it all okay!!"

"I'm no Jedi."

Really? I know you walked away from the Order, but you certainly still act as a Jedi in every way which counts. You carry white lightsabers to signify some apparent differentiation and you say you can't (or shouldn't) help open a Jedi Temple... but you use your lightsabers (and use the Force) in the manner a Jedi would (to defend yourself, protect others and aim not to kill your opponent) and you still entered the damn temple without any illusions of impropriety, meditating within and seeking guidance from... the Master Jedi.

You know, the one thing we've seen Ahsoka do in Rebels which I could see argued as against the Jedi Code is her clinging to her attachment to Anakin, refusing to leave him. But even that was motivated -- yes, in part by guilt, I imagine -- but also by love. Love and attachment. Not so much different from Luke (and we have no problem thinking of him as a Jedi. Maybe even the ideal Jedi).


I like Ahsoka, but sometimes I get so frustrated with how she's depicted. And I'm sometimes too cynical, I know. Maybe if we were shown Tano doing anything particularly un-Jedi like, I'd take it a little more at face value. As it stands, it just rings hollow to me; sounding like a lot of lip-service paid to help justify keeping her around without casting too many shadows on Yoda's words to Luke in ROTJ.

 

I can't help but think this is exactly the reason why Maul calls her "part-timer". Because she used that line on him and he kind of rolled his eyes. Maybe he started using "Lady Tano" because the honorific is generally added to the name of a Sith?

 

The "part-timer" reference only brought up more questions for me. At what point was Maul made aware that she walked out on the Council? We're only left to assume it's part of the unreleased SOM arc.

 

I like to think they had a particularly uneventful one night stand once and she walked out.

 

One of the very cool things about Dave's latest round of interviews was the breadth of details he shared about that arc.

I know I get hung about what I perceive as Roscoe's attachment to a certain character, but I've said it before, there are a lot of things I really, really do like about the guy. And his willingness to share things with the fan base when and where he feels it's reasonable to do so -- and especially his usual grace and humor in dealing with we lunatics, in general -- usually rank at or near the top of that list.

 

ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Um, no.

 

She was also willing to "avenge [Anakin's] death."

 

Good one! This had somehow slipped my mind. I'd still argue that the evidence for Tano acting as a Jedi/not Jedi to this day is still pretty overwhelmingly one-sided.

But well done, nonetheless!

 

What about the simple fact that she stayed to finish her battle with Vader, as opposed to escaping with Ezra and Kanan? She stayed because it was ultimately a personal matter.

 

I was going to say the Internet has disappointed me with the stark lack of Maulsoka, but then I found this OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION: