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Rogue One [Official Info] Ben Mendelsohn (Director Orson Krennic) in Rogue One

Discussion in 'Anthology' started by starocean90, Mar 25, 2015.

  1. Chewies_bandolier

    Chewies_bandolier Force Ghost star 4

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    I thought it was meant to be Mad's character .. the DS designer, who was her rumoured father..
     
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  2. JabbatheHumanBeing

    JabbatheHumanBeing Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Yes. From MSW.
     
  3. D'an

    D'an Jedi Master star 4

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    Ah. No wonder I couldn't find it. Thank you!

    Carry on.
     
  4. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    From what I read so far it seems most are assuming that the Mendelsohn character holds a weapon. Since he's already got a holster I find this rather unlikely.

    Could this thing in front of him be a baton? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_(military)
     
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  5. Chewies_bandolier

    Chewies_bandolier Force Ghost star 4

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    ^ I think it's a blaster - this MSW leak from the end of January has been on point with everything else seen from the trailer, so I am guessing that the description of the "cool sidearm" or whatever, is also correct..


     
  6. JabbatheHumanBeing

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    In the high res version of this image, it's 100% clear that it's a gun, as there's a trigger.
     
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  7. Chewies_bandolier

    Chewies_bandolier Force Ghost star 4

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    ^ No arguing with you there.. and I perversely like the idea that he would use it on himself.

    The loss of the DS 1 plans were accidental (unless they retcon it) so the consequences will be ... accordingly heavy.

    Falling on his own sword in private would presumably be far more "honorable" than having his neck snapped by an irate Sith lord in front of all of the common rabble...
     
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  8. godisawesome

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    Not going to lie, the "walking through rows of troopers like Palpatine and Vader in ROTJ" sounds more like a Grand Admiral to me than an intelligence director, though mostly because that's my confirmation bias showing... :)
     
  9. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Here's another reason I'd hope for a Grand Admiral: it would build on the idea that Vader slowly subsumed more and more responsibilities as Palpatine's second in command, particularly in the military area, and makes his ESB rampage more an inevitable result of Galactic Civil War attrition putting the most competent general in charge of the side with the superior resources, kind of making Vader a twisted version of USA General Ulysses S. Grant, with a side of Julius Caesar or Marc Antony.

    We know that Palpatine, Vader, and Tarkin form a "Dark Triumvirate" by ANH, which puts Vader's increased power and responsibility in ESB in the light of him filling a power vacuum left after Tarkin's death. He's already a leader in the Empire, but it raises his public profile and makes his offer to Luke of ruling the Galaxy have a bit more bite to it. Vader is moving closer and closer to a point where the peace between himself and Palpatine is going to end regardless of their preferred succession scenarios; like Augustus and Antony, both men desire to be the only ruler left of their Triumvirate, and the loss of a third member focuses their rivalry into a very volatile state.

    So I'd love to see Rogue One play as an important step for Vader. He's already feared and powerful, but Mendolsohn's failure to prevent the compromise of the Death Star opens up the way for Vader to get personally involved and get just a bit more powerful, in the same way that Generals Burnside and Hooker failures to stop General Lee raised Grant's personal power in comparison. Men like Mendolsohn aren't really superior to Vader in the Empire, but they don't worry about him because he's not in their food chain yet. And then Grand Admiral Awesome Cape fails, and realizes that Vader is now replacing him and is going to start making some... adjustments to the discipline code of the Imperial Navy, and kills himself first before Vader can do it for him.

    And it even plays into Grand General Tagge being elevated nominally above Vader after Yavin; Vader stepped up, did better than the previous guy, but still fumbled the recovery and the Empire lost the Death Star over it. So his new toy, the Imperial military, is taken away again for a while until he reassert a himself before Hoth.

    Oh,a new just for reference to you Legends fans with American Civil War knowledge, I guess this means that I hope Thrawn plays a kind of variation in McClellan, albeit actually aggressive and a skilled battle commander.
     
  10. outerrimjaba

    outerrimjaba Jedi Master star 1

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    After rereading the "Tarkin" novel, my bet that Mendelsohn's characer is Harus Ison, Director of the Ubiqtorate, and under COMPNOR - Arman Isard is described as being black haired. I'm thinking they will follow some sort of the physical descriptions outlined by Luceno.

    After Vice-Admiral Rancit's attempt to discredit Tarkin, Navy and Military Intelligence consolidated and transformed into the Ubiqtorate . Although he was described as white-haired and brawny, Mendelsohn is evidently in ISB white uniformed regalia, a military appointment may not always be associated with a rank. Harus could've been a rank of fleet admiral. Grand Admiral, as many would like to see, isn't canon yet and I saw no yellow rank badge squares...Tarkin is king of the imperial military machine by the time Rogue One/ANH is set in. To have oversector control, the Death Star command and joint chiefs stationed on the DS - Tagge/Motti is just a testament of how much was lost for the Empire at Yavin. The Vader comics are also bringing up some intriguing stuff about Dr. Cylo and the Tarkin Initiative....lots of power plays and Vader's cybernetic origins. This movie has all the trappings of a best-to-date.
     
  11. Iron_lord

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    I've never heard that phrase in the context of Star Wars - it certainly doesn't come up on Wookieepedia.
     
  12. Darth_Pevra

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    It's in the "Tarkin" novel I believe.

    Maybe Mendelsson's character will be called "Baron Ison". It has the Nazi-connotations they are fond of recently, it sounds badass and underlines his aristocratic look.
     
  13. Jonipoon

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  14. Darth_Pevra

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    What's a "military director"? I'm suspecting something got mixed up there and he's really director of ISB.
     
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  15. Jonipoon

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    After a quick search, I found this guy:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviv_Kochavi

    He's an Israeli officer who previously served as the "Military Intelligence Director". So in this particular case it seems to have something to do with secret intelligence, which totally suits Mendelsohn's character.
     
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  16. Mungo Baobab

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    Edit: Doh! Wrong thread.
     
  17. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

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    Yes I think you are right on track here. Theft of the Death Star plans would be one of the problems that military intelligence would be heavily involved in. Also if you look at Krennic, he totally looks like a James Bond villain with his fancy outfit and blaster. Tarkin on the other hand wore a plain uniform and no weapon. Krennic is probably one of those guys that everyone hates, even the Imperials themselves, because if you say anything against the party line the ISB will immediately accuse you of high treason.

    Maybe they'll show the common soldier worshipping Vader to contrast Krennic.
     
  18. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Darth_Pevra

    I'm confident that this Kremnic character had probably as many worshippers as did Reinhard Heydrich of the German SS...
     
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  19. Chewies_bandolier

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    Agree .. though I also think I am seeing a dead man walking - given that we know that he failed in his mission (since well.. ANH happened) - I can only imagine that the outcomes are going to be death by rebel fire, death by Vader's iron grip around his crackling vertebrae or .. (my preference) - death by self inflicted "noble" shot to whichever vital bit of him he chooses. Preferably with that snazzy silver blaster.
     
  20. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    Suicide by AT-AT foot. I'm calling it.
     
  21. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

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    I agree, he's probably dead, it would explain his absence in the OT-timeperiod.
     
  22. Chewies_bandolier

    Chewies_bandolier Force Ghost star 4

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    ^ Extended to the whole cast actually .. :\
     
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  23. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    Some of them will turn up on Rebels though. Count on it.
     
  24. outerrimjaba

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    It's in the Tarkin novel - Final Chapter (Red In, Tooth and Claw), first sentence. The Emperor, Vader and Tarkin --- the Empire's newly formed dark triumvirate. (5 years after ROTS)


    Imperial Org Chart - Canon (Rebels Era) (5 Years before ANH/Rogue One)
    http://rebelsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Tarkin-Era-Empire.jpg
     
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  25. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 53x Wacky Wed/5x Two Truths/29x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    If it's from Tarkin's point of view - of course he'll inflate his importance to "1 of 3 rulers of the Empire".

    In reality - Tarkin and Vader answer to the Emperor - if they were a true triumvirate, they'd be at least theoretically equal - voting, with a 2 out of 3 vote being enough to make a decision.


    But they don't. The Emperor gives the orders, those two carry them out.