ST Kylo Ren's Future/Fate. Death/Redemption/Other?

I could see him on a long and hard road for redemption (if at all) with many people not trusting him, especially Rey. He may get the trust and respect of some people over a long time, but a relationship between Rey and Kylo is out of the question in all of this. He may find someone else with time and a healing galaxy. That's how I see it.

 

I've never seen any single movie from RJ but from what I've read through Internet it seems he likes to do really weird, weird things. And even today Oscar Isaac was again reinforcing this idea. So, whatever RJ is planning for Ep VIII I am 110% sure none of us will guess what will be.

And if any redemption plan is on the way, surely RJ will make it in the weirdest way possible.

 

Honestly now I'm worried it's going to be TOO weird lol.

 

you mean Kylo travels back in time to make all bad things he has done undone?

 

2016 and there are still people romanticizing emotional/physical abuse. Kylo tortures Poe, so he loves him too...

Love...?

 

i think according to some people here, if he makes it, he will have to be chaperoned 24/7

there is a fic that did that, essentially implanting a chip (is that a thing in the GFFA?) and not letting him out of sight, which i thought he was superhuman for enduring in the first place. so i hope nobody is writing that because i don't particularly like the humiliation angle.

i like proper melancholy best. i think it depends on the relationship with mum (oh god) - let him go into exile and have some kind of life without having to answer to anyone. it might jsut help. and then he can study the force and just be some rogue agent. but god it'd be tough to watch that.

Jedi Jessy i don't think you caught his best angle there

 

I would love RJ to put the audience to the limit of confusion, really lost on who are the "good guys" and who are the "bad guys" in the Galaxy. What if he tries to show us that all depends on the perspective you are looking at the events ?

 

What should happen to him after is prison. For the story, what could happen is Kylo becomes a rogue agent, hiding away escaping justice while he attempts atonement. I could support that. Maybe he could find some nice, female ex-mass murderer to share his feelings and his bed with. They'd understand each other pretty well I think.

Our judgment serves the purpose of informing how we watch and enjoy these movies. That's the whole point of fiction - we are supposed to be entertained. If we are repulsed by the thought of psycho Ren getting busy with one of his torture victims that watched him murder his dad, that revulsion serves the purpose of ruining Rey's character for our portion of the audience, and likely ruining the movie for our portion of the audience.

 

So from what I'm hearing from you all redemption is possible for Kylo? That's all I needed to hear.

 

be careful what you wish for. some people don't like their heroes being subverted like that.

i think there is an article *somewhere* on how the first order is right. i may have to track that down some time. i think star wars is very politically confused and has no middle ground. how has the republic never established a solid middle??!! how is that all they have is opposing forces? that's not how you do politics.

it's almost like a metaphor writ large...

 

I'm okay with that. It also seems like that particular topic would be more appropriate for different threads.

 

sure Kylo redeems himself but than all of his guilt comes flooding back and he commits seppuku.
or maybe commits seppuku at the beginning of VIII the very first scene of the film, disgrace for losing a battle, so he should die with honor.

 

so shall we all pack up and go home then?

 

Unless its a "Rey falls to the dark side" scenario.

I'd rather not see either, though.

 

rey is going to go dark, kylo is going to search for her until the ends of this earth. keep this post for further reference.

everything will fall into the shadow.

i thought that's what everyone wanted.

 

I'm not sold on the redemption at all yet. Not ruling it out 100% either. But right now there's little to make me root for Kylo's redemption, he's done nothing to make me want to see him get a second chance.

And as for flipping the good guy and bad guys around, that would be a tall order to do convincingly (given who's currently on the good side and how much horrible stuff they had the FO do in the last film).

 

I don't think many people, even those advocating for Reylo, think that, Jedi Jessy. Certainly advocates for redemption wouldn't want that, because it would go against the whole idea of, you know . . . redemption.

 

I don't think SW needs to delve too far into moral ambiguity. The fact that there's clear delineation between good and evil is what's refreshing in this day and age when every story seems to double down on 'darkness' and conflicted motives. Of course I want my characters to have depth, and I want to at least understand their reasoning. That doesn't mean I have to interpret their reasoning or their actions as acceptable.

AnneNeville, I think most of us agree that Kylo can be redeemed, the contention today is from the idea that Rey should be involved in that redemption, and WHY she would ever be interested in him romantically, redemption or not. It goes against everything we know about her as a character. And him being FS and her being FS or their relationship being essential to continuing the Skywalker line is a bogus reason imo. If that's the only way to continue the legacy, I'd rather the legacy end, to be honest.

 

Where did Jedi Jessy get those pics, because they're brilliant at showing the amazing creepiness of that scene (but I haven't been able to find them myself)?

And some people again seem to have trouble with the idea that a villain can have "depth" while remaining the villain. And it's often more interesting than shoehorning in a "redemption arc."

 

Today I was thinking a lot about the popularity of Star Wars. Sure it has lots of action and humour but why does it resonate with people? Why are people like me so passionate about it? My feeling is that amid all the action and humour and heart, each trilogy asks a very difficult, interesting and a moral question. Each question causes debate among audiences and makes us put things in perspective.

The OT. It has Death Stars destroying planets, walking tanks and speeder bikes. But the question it asks is would you confront your own father? Would you stand up to him when he wants you to do what he does? Interestingly George Lucas's father wanted him to be just like him. He wanted him to stay at home and run the family business. Lucas wanted to get out into the world and pursue his passion. In ROTJ Vader's final words to Luke are "you were right".

In the PT we have pod-racing, battles with creatures and lot of lightsabre fights. The question in the PT. What would you do for the people you love? Would you betray everything and everyone you know to save them?

So what will be the question in the ST? I think the question is can you forgive someone you hate? Can you put aside your own personal feelings for a greater cause? Can a son who has hurt the family be forgiven? Can someone who has done so much wrong be redeemed?

Or pehaps the question is can you confront a person you love and kill them?

 

I think that I've said before that the outcome I see as most likely is Kylo having a villainous crush on Rey that is not realized (probably not returned), and post-redemption he goes off alone into exile. That puts aside the ick factor, at least until sufficient time has passed for his redemption to be established and some kind of atonement to be made in addition to whatever Heroic Act he has in the trilogy. Don't know what X-XII could hold for the character.

I don't think Rey has to "redeem" anyone. That's not her job.